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Drumpot

nix wrote: »

From a level of quality stand point, i do have the higher ground. If you think the writing quality is anywhere near the level of prior seasons, you're in denial, or just have terrible observational skills :pac:

I don’t think you understand what having the higher ground means.:pac:

nix wrote: »

pig ignorant

I do however think you know this one....

_Kaiser_

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Love it.. it all went wrong when they went off script and anyone who can't see this is too invested or an (simplistic) idiot :rolleyes:

The sad fact of the matter..

nix

leggo wrote: »

You should definitely make sure that three-line posts where you claim to have the higher ground in what qualifies as good writing aren't riddled with spelling and punctuation errors. At the very least like.

Am i writing a book here??

It'd be grand if it was a GoT script though I'm sure

Deleted User wrote: »

The writing has been abysmal since season 7..
You could see it getting worse at times during season 6.. season 7 was awful.. season 8 seems to be continuing the trend..
This coincides with them going off the books..
If it was like this from the start it would be languishing on the sci-fi channel and no one would bother with it.. People are heavily invested in it at this stage though, so cognitive bias has them unable to see the drop in quality..
And a lot of people are idiots, and the simplistic humour and subtle as a brick through a window acting appeals to their artistic sensibilities..

No, you just have rigid expectations, get out! :pac:

Lemlin

nix wrote: »

Ok so a character whos notorious about not giving a **** to the customs/rules of Westeros or what people think, all of a sudden feels insecure and decides to make up a dumb bull**** story to what? impress them? :pac:

As he might put it, to prove his cock is just as big as the King Killers!!!

Regardless of what he thinks of the customs, he is sitting amongst men who are greatly respected and it’s quite feasible he will try to prove his place amongst them is justified, particularly if trying to impress Brienne.

leggo

Deleted User wrote: »

The writing has been abysmal since season 7..
You could see it getting worse at times during season 6.. season 7 was awful.. season 8 seems to be continuing the trend..
This coincides with them going off the books..
If it was like this from the start it would be languishing on the sci-fi channel and no one would bother with it.. People are heavily invested in it at this stage though, so cognitive bias has them unable to see the drop in quality..
And a lot of people are idiots, and the simplistic humour and subtle as a brick through a window acting appeals to their artistic sensibilities..

Season 5 is widely considered to be the worst season of the show (an opinion I'd share). That brought us up to the end of the books.

Season 6 is widely considered to be one of the best. That was all Benioff and Weiss.

Of those seasons and including S7, 'Hardhome' (which didn't happen in the books beyond a loose reference to something similar in a raven's scroll), 'Battle of the Bastards', 'Winds of Winter' and 'The Spoils of War' are considered to be some of the best episodes of the show's run. I've already seen people declaring Brienne's knighthood one of their favourite moments in the entire series. All TV originals.

And, for comparison, just last week there was discussion in one of the book readers threads where several considered the TV show to be more entertaining than the books. I thought when I chimed in in support of that opinion it'd be one that got savaged, but there was relatively little pushback from fellow book readers. I love the books, but they're a bit all over the place at the moment actually, hence GRRM not being able to finish them I imagine.

But still, it's a very common and rudimentary spin that people like to put on things. It's mad that I see it more in the non-book threads than the book ones though.

PTH2009

only 4 more episodes left and the episode needs too start getting the season going

We have had only what 1 death so far and it was only a pretty minor character in young umber

awec

Deleted User wrote: »

The writing has been abysmal since season 7..
You could see it getting worse at times during season 6.. season 7 was awful.. season 8 seems to be continuing the trend..
This coincides with them going off the books..
If it was like this from the start it would be languishing on the sci-fi channel and no one would bother with it.. People are heavily invested in it at this stage though, so cognitive bias has them unable to see the drop in quality..
And a lot of people are idiots, and the simplistic humour and subtle as a brick through a window acting appeals to their artistic sensibilities..

I keep seeing people say this, but I am not sure it's true.

The writing in the later books is fairly poor. The TV show is better than the books in the later seasons.

Season 1 was pretty much the first book verbatim. After that, things diverged pretty quickly to the point where the books were really just a general guideline for the TV show and provided the lore. The stories though are significantly different, drastically so in the case of some characters. The TV writers have been pretty much writing their own stuff for most of the series.

RoryMac

leggo wrote: »

Season 5 is widely considered to be the worst season of the show (an opinion I'd share). That brought us up to the end of the books.

Season 6 is widely considered to be one of the best. That was all Benioff and Weiss.

Of those seasons and including S7, 'Hardhome' (which didn't happen in the books beyond a loose reference to something similar in a raven's scroll), 'Battle of the Bastards', 'Winds of Winter' and 'The Spoils of War' are considered to be some of the best episodes of the show's run. I've already seen people declaring Brienne's knighthood one of their favourite moments in the entire series. All TV originals.

And, for comparison, just last week there was discussion in one of the book readers threads where several considered the TV show to be more entertaining than the books. I thought when I chimed in in support of that opinion it'd be one that got savaged, but there was relatively little pushback from fellow book readers. I love the books, but they're a bit all over the place at the moment actually, hence GRRM not being able to finish them I imagine.

But still, it's a very common and rudimentary spin that people like to put on things. It's mad that I see it more in the non-book threads than the book ones though.

100% this.

The books were all over the place at the end with no sign they were moving towards a conclusion. Sub plots that seemed to have no relevance to the main story.

The TV show cut out a lot of the nonsense and showed direction from the start. I did think season 7 was way too rushed but aside from that the TV show is as good if not better

Dave_The_Sheep

leggo wrote: »

Season 5 is widely considered to be the worst season of the show (an opinion I'd share). That brought us up to the end of the books.

Season 6 is widely considered to be one of the best. That was all Benioff and Weiss.

I realise this is the non-book readers thread, but I think this is definitely an opinion not generally shared by those who are already familiar with the material.

The books around that point definitely lose the plot, admittedly, but I really do appreciate the opinion that 6 and 7 are not better off for having material to lean on.

J. Marston

Deleted User wrote: »

The writing has been abysmal since season 7..
You could see it getting worse at times during season 6.. season 7 was awful.. season 8 seems to be continuing the trend..
This coincides with them going off the books..
If it was like this from the start it would be languishing on the sci-fi channel and no one would bother with it.. People are heavily invested in it at this stage though, so cognitive bias has them unable to see the drop in quality..
And a lot of people are idiots, and the simplistic humour and subtle as a brick through a window acting appeals to their artistic sensibilities..

What all that amounts to it is "If you like the show, you're dumb."

The show has done a remarkable job adapting the books for the most part with one or two slip-ups. As others have said, the books have no end in sight and GRRM has wrote himself into so many corners and up blind alleys I'd be surprised if we ever see it.

Drumpot

J. Marston wrote: »

What all that amounts to it is "If you like the show, you're dumb."

And if you like the parts of the show I like you are more cultured and in tune with quality writing.... :rolleyes:

CalamariFritti

Its kinda weird to see that people don't seem to engage much in speculation and appreciation of what was on show rather than having snipes at each other. Also that obsession about whether some fictional relationship seems age appropriate or not... I think its a bit late down season 8 of this show to get your knickers in a twist about whether it complies with our twitter age morales or not.

I thought it was a very good episode. I loved the get together with a drink on the eve of the big battle. Loved the way some of the circles are closed and characters developed even further. Also this kind of 'slower' stuff is required to make the big stuff work. Its a pretty standard drama tool. If it was all boom boom bang every single episode it would get very boring very quickly.

Alpha_zero

How are people not ridiculing this weak garbage, i mean episode 2 was almost as weak as the first.

paw patrol

i hope the night king kills them all...maybe bar the hound or Jamie.

MisterAnarchy

Florence and the Machine did a great job with Jenny of Oldstones on the end titles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTa1jHk1Lxc

Rega

J. Marston wrote: »

I am not ready to see Lyanna Mormont die on the battlefield.

I want to see her on the iron throne at the end

Dave_The_Sheep

J. Marston wrote: »

I am not ready to see Lyanna Mormont die on the battlefield.

It's ok. Jorah will die protecting her.

Bonzo Delaney

I liked the episode had a few hearty laughs during the more comedic elements I did get the impression that opposed to a sombre attitude they all have more or else resigned themselves to an inevitable death which I find unusall to other pre battle scenes .
I expected a bit more fight in them as about a dozen of the hardiest went north to capture a wight alive, resisted the entire front line of wights for hours and managed to get out of there alive with most of the main team.
Ok the night king has a dragon now but the north have two and are prepared and waiting for the dead knowing dragon glass tiped weapons are effective.
They all seemed like they were heading to the gallows in last night's episode.

Giants milk

tritriagain

Reckon that Davos has a big part to play. Too much made of his lack of fighting skills.

Lemlin

tritriagain wrote: »

Reckon that Davos has a big part to play. Too much made of his lack of fighting skills.

I think Gendry has a big part to play. After all that rowing, he’s getting plenty of screen time.

Exclamation Marc

I have no issues with people not enjoying that episode though I'd disagree with them. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and whatever process got them there is their business.

But when some people say it's the worst episode ever in the series, I know they're talking utter sh¡te and are either looking for a reaction or are unquestionably unable to recognise or judge good television. Its idiotic.

Yermande

My feelings on last night's episode are similar to my thoughts on the show as a whole. Even at its worse it's head and shoulders above the competition.

Medieval fantasy, for all its familiarity, is rarely done well. But Game of Thrones has picked up where Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings trilogy left off in terms of smashing down genre snobbery. There's definitely a before Peter Jackson and an after Peter Jackson when it comes to the cinematic treatment of fantasy. Game of Thrones is continuing that good work and, as a fantasy nerd, it will always remain close to my heart for that reason.

However, and it's a big however, it's simply a hot mess at times. The acting is quite often very poor indeed. It also suffers from severe pacing problems which the writers have exacerbated by treating Westeros as big as Britain or as small as the Isle of Man, depending on their needs.

It has also always felt hamstrung by its episodic nature. It's been punctuated by some outstanding set pieces but the general feeling has been of a story always trying to get off the ground. That can be positive if tension is constantly being built but it often falls flat and the tension is distractedly released elsewhere

Last night's episode was a perfect example of that. All of these characters, many of them ostensibly rivals. The potential power battle between Jon and Dany. It was all there on screen. Yet we're treated to yet another bare arse and Ser Davos' stale dialogue ("I think I'll have that drink"). I mean seriously, it's just awful.

I think the show's greatest legacy will be in having further kicked down the doors for premium fantasy adaptations at a time when long-form treatments are the vehicle of choice. I'm thinking of the upcoming BBC/HBO adaptation of His Dark Materials, for example. There's now the audience, appetite and budget to do these stories right, and all credit to Game of Thrones' role in making that happen.

ixoy

It makes sense here that some of the jokes are weak - the scene with Tormund and Ser Davos commenting about having a drink, is not meant to biting or witty. It's a group of people, with nothing in common but Winterfell's defence, sharing an awkward uneasy last few hours trying to get some small comfort. It shouldn't be sharp smart humour.

As to Arya - it's one of the few times a woman has been empowered in these situations and it's of course no coincidence that she's on top.

I quite liked the low-key revelation of Jon's parentage to Danny. I think a lot of that is down to the directing in the episode - we'll have the bombastic, adrenaline fulled, mega death action next week. This is a goodbye - surely seven seasons of a show deserve that?

Really not seeing how this is considered "garbage" writing. There's plenty of shows that do that. It lacks the political nuances and alliances of early seasons but, if we had that now, people would be moaning too. It has to force focus because otherwise we end up where George R. R. Martin is - in a complete block if you end up thinking too much on the logistics

RickBlaine

Some of my favourite scenes from The Two Towers are the ones where the characters are waiting at Helm's Deep for the orc army to arrive. This whole episode felt like that. Great tension building and character interactions. Yes, the dialog could have been better but it is still excellent entertainment. I suspect a large number of the secondary characters and one or two of the main players will die next episode so it is good to see them all together before that happens.

Naydy

I really liked this episode. Brienne is by far my favourite character in the show and I'll admit I had a tear in my eye when she finally got the recognition and acceptance she deserved.

I'm convinced she will die next episode now though

I feel like once the battle kicks off it is going to be a sprint to the end of the story so I quite appreciate these episodes as a goodbye to these characters. I will be sad when it is all over!

DeepBlue

Does Jaime have a Valyrian steel sword? I don't suppose he'll re-earn the nickname "KingSlayer" by slicing the Night King in two before the end of the series?

The Knighting of Brienne, that was possibly the most moving scene in the entire series for me. It was just perfect, and the whole episode wasn't far off that for my viewing.

EoinMcLovin

DeepBlue wrote: »

Does Jaime have a Valyrian steel sword? I don't suppose he'll re-earn the nickname "KingSlayer" by slicing the Night King in two before the end of the series?

Yeah his sword, Widow's Wail is Valyrian. That and Oathkeeper (Briennes) sword which Jamie gave her) were made from Ned Stark's Sword, Ice

jon1981

Jaysus when will the scraps start!! C'mon ta F**k!

Mc Love

Worth a watch if you have watched episode 2

https://youtu.be/dcqrNXKv628

seligehgit

EoinMcLovin wrote: »

Yeah his sword, Widow's Wail is Valyrian. That and Oathkeeper (Briennes) sword which Jamie gave her) were made from Ned Stark's Sword, Ice

I thought Widow's Wail was Jodfrey's and it's current location was unknown?

Roar

That was delightful. Glad we got to spend time with these characters before everything goes to sh1t next week. I was practically cheering when Brienne was knighted. A great build up of tension throughout too. Really set things up for next week wonderfully.

EoinMcLovin

seligehgit wrote: »

I thought Widow's Wail was Jodfrey's and it's current location was unknown?

It was originally Joffrey's but Jamie took it last Season

Widow’s Wail was passed down to Tommen, but Tommen never took the weapon. In Season 7, Jaime began wearing Widow’s Wail after he returned from the Riverlands. Olenna even noticed Jaime wearing the sword and asked if he was going to kill her with it. Jaime tells her the sword is Widow’s Wail.

nix

Well considering they have difficulty breaking through a wooden door, they shouldn't be able to burst out of a tomb. But the way things are going, I'm sure that wont matter :pac:

sdanseo

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

I really want to see how Bran is getting about in that wheelchair.

He was in a foot of snow at one point, then indoors refusing help from Tyrion in what one can safely assume is not an accessible building.

We really should have seen it by now, what is he going to do when the Night King comes for him?

Hope the battery hasn't died.

Bonzo Delaney

Was the wall not built with magic so the wights could not pass through .
Wasn't that the reason Jon's uncle couldn't go with him when he rescued Jon from the wights in season 7

TheValeyard

Roar wrote: »

That was delightful. Glad we got to spend time with these characters before everything goes to sh1t next week. I was practically cheering when Brienne was knighted. A great build up of tension throughout too. Really set things up for next week wonderfully.

Yeah, it was a nice catch up before all our beloved characters get chewed on.

How Soon Is Now

This thread sums up exactly the ****ing **** show Boards is. On every other Game of thrones forum online im sure the fans of the show are talking about theory's and what they think will happen etc etc.

On Boards.ie as with every other thread on here it has to be one side vs the other even when there's a common ground.


**** sake.

How Soon Is Now

How Soon Is Now wrote:

On Boards.ie as with every other thread on here it has to be one side vs the other even when there's a common ground.

That comment is sure to help matters

martingriff

I can't believe this but my first though was there is still a

virgin

in the main cast (Bran excluded). Absolutely way better episode then last week and hope next week lives up to what they are setting up

Making Brieanna a knight was nice you could see how proud it made her feel

.

All the conversations were great well the one between Dany & Jon was rushed but I see why they made it that way.

The scene between Sansa & Dany also was good and brought up what I think will be the ending of the show that there will be no more 7 kingdoms

I am not trusting Bran and it will go badly

Jamie & Tyrion scenes are always good

sReq | uTeK

Danny will go the route of her power hungry father. Its clear to see the throne is all zhe cares about. Jamie questioning Tyrion about how much he trusts her etc etc.

When John told her, it was rushed but she had resentment in her eyes. She was annoyed.

As she said to Sansa all she wanted was the throne. Her little story about coming here for Jon is Bollix,shes there because if she doesnt help, there is nothing to rule.

I think a stark ends up killing her, possibly even Jon when she literally tries to take him out.

AidoEirE

Jamie os going to last this to the end, it'll be between himself thormund to do something in the battle to help brienne.

Jamie's redemption story as been one off the best.

Think he'll last as a new hand of the king

Thought it was a brilliant episode.

martingriff

AidoEirE wrote: »

Jamie os going to last this to the end, it'll be between himself thormund to do something in the battle to help brienne.

Jamie's redemption story as been one off the best.

Think he'll last as a new hand of the king

Always thought he will die either defending Brienna or Tyrion or going after Cersie (Both kill each other)

How Soon Is Now

Deleted User wrote: »

That comment is sure to help matters

I dont think theres a man or woman alive that can ''help'' this place change :pac:

An excellent episode I thought. I laughed and almost cried. The part where they were sitting around the fire was just wonderful. I felt such affection for these characters! Tormund and is milk, his glances at Brienne, her and Jaime and the connection between them, Tyrion filling Pod's cup. The knighting scene was my favourite. They love each other I think those too. Maybe not a romantic love but something else.

alchemist33

It was all set up, but I thoroughly enjoyed it. A few good laughs and heartfelt moments, with the knowledge its the second last time we'll see a few of these characters. Couldn't fault it.

gandalf

Tbh that was an excellent episode...it's ramping up nicely to the battle. You know that anyone is in the firing line, hell everyone could die and the last three episode could turn out to be night king the musical 😁

If you didn't enjoy that episode, I'm not sure game of thrones is for you

False Prophet

Wonder purpose of bran and Tyrion cosy chat