General Premier League Thread 2018-19 Part 2

Harry Palmr

5live said he was nearly 16 - 35 days away or something, anyway he is the new youngest player.

Mr.Nice Guy

The Talking Bread wrote:

There was a United fan who said before Liverpools game against Spurs that he hopes the latter wins despite the fact both were playing for Top 4 and when questioned then about Utd's fixture against City then which was a week later that he more or less hoped City would win because his preference was Liverpool losing the league over Utd getting CL football and Utd wouldn't be a threat to Spurs anyway.

There was a Liverpool fan who said "If you are first you are first. If you are second you are nothing." Went by the name of Bill Shankly.

Agent Coulson

He turned 16 on the 4th of April.

The Talking Bread

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

There was a Liverpool fan who said "If you are first you are first. If you are second you are nothing." Went by the name of Bill Shankly.

Completely different. Christ. He was speaking in terms of positions in a race for a trophy. Obviously he was speaking about objectives.
United are chasing , now in vain it seems, a place in CL, for them 4th is a place and CL football and means something, in fact a lot for a club like Utd, fifth or sixth is "nothing" in terms of their realistic objectives for most of the season.
Liverpool are chasing a league title, their realistic objective this season and second will be nothing despite a pat on the back at the end of the day and means as much as 3rd or 4th in terms of what the award on offer is.

That is the point of that quote.

sligeach

Cardiff nearly took the lead after about 30 or 40 seconds, deflected shot through and off the outside of the upright. A draw or a win today by Cardiff is needed, otherwise Brighton don't even need to shake a leg against Man City. Not that they have much of a chance anyway.

Mr.Nice Guy

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Completely different. Christ. He was speaking in terms of positions in a race for a trophy. Obviously he was speaking about objectives.
United are chasing , now in vain it seems, a place in CL, for them 4th is a place and CL football and means something, in fact a lot for a club like Utd, fifth or sixth is "nothing" in terms of their realistic objectives for most of the season.
Liverpool are chasing a league title, their realistic objective this season and second will be nothing despite a pat on the back at the end of the day and means as much as 3rd or 4th in terms of what the award on offer is.

That is the point of that quote.

Shankly was talking about the meaning of success - and he had it right. In a few years no one gives a hoot who finished 2nd on down. Just ask Jose Mourinho what finishing 2nd last season was worth. Ask Arsene Wenger what all those years of finishing 4th meant for him.

Oranage2

We really need Rafa to do something the good of the world depends on it, this is avenger 5 for me but newcastle have a tougher task

windy shepard henderson

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Shankly was talking about the meaning of success - and he had it right. In a few years no one gives a hoot who finished 2nd on down. Just ask Jose Mourinho what finishing 2nd last season was worth. Ask Arsene Wenger what all those years of finishing 4th meant for him.

completely different era he also had a saying " you cant win the european cup without winning the league first "

top 4 is as important as winning the league if not more so , if you dont have champions league it becomes increasingly hard to build up a strong squad for the following season , and no player wants to play thursday night football in the arse hole of easteran europe

W123-80's

messinkiapina wrote: »

What's the average points take for 3rd and 4th place teams? This must be one of the worst tallies in PL history surely? Always thought u need about 76 points for 4th, never mind 3rd.

United won the premier league in 96/97 with 79 points.!!

mightyreds

W123-80's wrote: »

United won the premier league in 96/97 with 79 points.!!

Leicester won it by 10 points on 81

blueser

sligeach wrote: »

Cardiff nearly took the lead after about 30 or 40 seconds, deflected shot through and off the outside of the upright. A draw or a win today by Cardiff is needed, otherwise Brighton don't even need to shake a leg against Man City. Not that they have much of a chance anyway.

Hence, a Palace win would be ideal.

Harry Palmr

Cardiff 1 Palace 1.

sligeach

1-1 between Cardiff and Crystal Palace. Own goal equaliser for Cardiff.

ERG89

Even the ref played his part in that move. Sure Neil enjoyed that.

Mr.Nice Guy

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

completely different era he also had a saying " you cant win the european cup without winning the league first "

top 4 is as important as winning the league if not more so , if you dont have champions league it becomes increasingly hard to build up a strong squad for the following season , and no player wants to play thursday night football in the arse hole of easteran europe

Please tell me you don't really believe this? I don't even know where to begin with this take.

Top 4 is a means to an end and nothing more. It is not what the hype machine would have you believe it is. Kante left a Leicester side that won the title for a Chelsea side that had finished 10th. Pogba left a Juve side that were champions and a contender for the Champions League to join a United side that were outside the top four. Liverpool finished outside the top four 6 times in the last 10 seasons and were outside the top six for 4 out of those 10 seasons and they seem to have managed just fine. Hell, United were second last season and look at the state of the club now.

You think in forty years' time the professionals nowadays are going to gather their grandkids around, take out a print-out of a league table, point to the 4th-placed team and talk, with tears in their eyes, about what a great achievement it was to finish there? Nah, Shankly's words will stand the test of time.

Berserker

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

top 4 is as important as winning the league if not more so

It's not. The teams that finish second, third and fourth will be all but forgotten about in then years time. People only remember who won the league.

Harry Palmr

I imagine the windy shepard was referring to more tangible benefits like CL football, better range of transfer targets, not having to pretend the EL is the new CL and so on.

sligeach

3-1 Crystal Palace. That's Cardiff likely relegated. Townsend with a decent effort in off the post from just outside the box.

Harry Palmr

Yep that's that. Cardiff up twice and down twice at the first time of asking. All the pressure off Brighton as well of course for the City game.

Loafing Oaf

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Yep that's that. Cardiff up twice and down twice at the first time of asking.

Warnock next in line for the Man United job so:P

windy shepard henderson

Berserker wrote: »

It's not. The teams that finish second, third and fourth will be all but forgotten about in then years time. People only remember who won the league.

and what happens if the team that finished 2nd 3rd or 4th wins the champions league the next season , i doubt they will be forgotten too quickly

champions league is a huge competition players want it more then any other competition even the league , without it any team regardless of there size will struggle to attract players without it regularly

Mr.Nice Guy

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

champions league is a huge competition players want it more then any other competition even the league , without it any team regardless of there size will struggle to attract players without it regularly

"I've said I'd swap every other medal I could win for the rest of my career to win the league, and I mean that." - Steven Gerrard

windy shepard henderson

messinkiapina wrote: »

What's the average points take for 3rd and 4th place teams? This must be one of the worst tallies in PL history surely? Always thought u need about 76 points for 4th, never mind 3rd.

i imagine its between 68 and probably 72 4th

the lowest since the top 4 became a champions league place was liverpool with 60 points in the 2003/04 season they won the CL the following year

they finished 5th with 58 points the following season losing out to everton on 61 for 4th but qualified as winners , at the time there was much debate about being allowed back in to defend their title , they narrowly finished 5th ahead of bolton on goal difference i always felt the winners should be allowed back in regardless of league position, but had they finished 6th behind bolton that season they may have been left out of the competition the next year

Strumms

You have to look at the keeper AND defense there. A free header from a corner, 5 yards out, the middle of the goal and nobody anywhere near him.

ERG89

Lascelles got a case of the George Hamilton's mistaking Mane for Van Dijk

windy shepard henderson

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

"I've said I'd swap every other medal I could win for the rest of my career to win the league, and I mean that." - Steven Gerrard

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea." Eric Cantona (1995) ....:rolleyes:

Berserker

Perfect start for Liverpool. Second here before HT and they can start resting a few bodies for the CL game. Not sure Newcastle are overly bothered about this. Crowd is very quiet.

Shanotheslayer

Berserker wrote: »

Perfect start for Liverpool. Second here before HT and they can start resting a few bodies for the CL game. Not sure Newcastle are overly bothered about this. Crowd is very quiet.

So are the players

Mr.Nice Guy

ATSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

TAA a lucky boy. Deliberate handball on the line.

Bridge93

Should a red card for liverpool

Shanotheslayer

TAA not gonna get booked for deliberate handball?

Berserker

Against the run of play that. Handball on the line just before the goal? That would have been a red and a penalty.

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

TAA not gonna get booked for deliberate handball?

That would have been a red and a penalty, if Newcastle didn't score there.

Rossi IRL

Should be sent off, playing advantage shouldn't stop you getting punished.

Bridge93

Sure it’s only city who get decisions don’t you know

Adamcp898

Christ alive but that was easy to spot, how has the ref missed it

Rossi IRL

Adamcp898 wrote: »

Christ alive but that was easy to spot, how has the ref missed it

He didn't, he just bottled it caus he wants nothing to do with playing a part in the title race.

Mr.Nice Guy

Great effort there by Perez, hitting the crossbar.

Berserker

Wow, Newcastle getting into this now. Crowd as well. Liverpool need to see this period out.

Strumms

absolutely cracking game of football this, end to end.

Mr.Nice Guy

Great goal by Salah. Newcastle switched off.

ERG89

Alexander Arnold with the assist. Lol

mightyreds

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Great goal by Salah. Newcastle switched off.

You left out a few characters from his name

Shanotheslayer

That's a great finish by Salah.

Mad how TAA whipped that ball in from the dressing room.

Berserker

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Great goal by Salah. Newcastle switched off.

Yeah, great time to score, just after that Newcastle goal. Very poor at the back by Newcastle.

TitianGerm

Rossi IRL wrote: »

Should be sent off, playing advantage shouldn't stop you getting punished.

If the ref gave the penalty it's a pen and a yellow isn't it? So as the ref allowed play on does that rule still apply and he should get a yellow?

Lucas Hood

TitianGerm wrote: »

If the ref gave the penalty it's a pen and a yellow isn't it? So as the ref allowed play on does that rule still apply and he should get a yellow?

It's a red.

TitianGerm

Lucas Hood wrote: »

It's a red.

So the rule doesn't apply then?

Adamcp898

TitianGerm wrote: »

If the ref gave the penalty it's a pen and a yellow isn't it? So as the ref allowed play on does that rule still apply and he should get a yellow?

Professional foul is still a red, no?

Berserker

Loads of goals in this for Liverpool.

Lucas Hood

TitianGerm wrote: »

So the rule doesn't apply then?

What rules?. Deliberate handball to deny a goalscoring opportunity is a red card.

You may be confusing the rule change they made a few years back but that's only when a player makes a genuine attempt at playing the ball