General Premier League Thread 2018-19 Part 2

TitianGerm

Adamcp898 wrote: »

Professional foul is still a red, no?

I don't know to be honest. I just remember a commentator saying something about penalties and reds not double punishing the team or something to that effect.

Skylinehead

Lucas Hood wrote: »

TitianGerm wrote: »

So the rule doesn't apply then?

What rules?. Deliberate handball to deny a goalscoring opportunity is a red card.

You may be confusing the rule change they made a few years back but that's only when a player makes a genuine attempt at playing the ball

The goalscoring opportunity was still there, hence no red card. Should be yellow for deliberate handball though.

TitianGerm

Nixonbot wrote: »

The goalscoring opportunity was still there, hence no red card. Should be yellow for deliberate handball though.

That's what I was thinking. At least I'm not the only one :pac:

Lucas Hood

http://www.theifab.com/laws/fouls-and-misconduct-2018/chapters/disciplinary-action-2018

There's the relevant laws of the game. It should be a red. If var was being used it would have been red.

Adamcp898

TitianGerm wrote: »

I don't know to be honest. I just remember a commentator saying something about penalties and reds not double punishing the team or something to that effect.

As a poster above pointed out that rule change only affected genuine attempts to the play the ball.

Skylinehead

Lucas Hood wrote: »

http://www.theifab.com/laws/fouls-and-misconduct-2018/chapters/disciplinary-action-2018

There's the relevant laws of the game. It should be a red. If var was being used it would have been red.

I'll point you at this piece:

"denying the opposing team a goal"

A goal was not denied.

Guy:Incognito

Adamcp898 wrote: »

As a poster above pointed out that rule change only affected genuine attempts to the play the ball.

Well he did genuinely attempt to play the ball.




.....just with his arm

Lucas Hood

"Where a player denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by a deliberate handball offence the player is sent off wherever the offence occurs."

Black and White there folks.

Skylinehead

Lucas Hood wrote: »

"Where a player denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by a deliberate handball offence the player is sent off wherever the offence occurs."

Black and White there folks.

Why are you ignoring that a goal was scored, and therefore not denied?

Shanotheslayer

Nixonbot wrote: »

I'll point you at this piece:

"denying the opposing team a goal"

A goal was not denied.

So basically you're staying because they scored. TAA stayed on? That's ridiculous.

I'd rather play against 10 men and have a pen than 11 men

Adamcp898

Nixonbot wrote: »

Why are you ignoring that a goal was scored, and therefore not denied?

Why are you ignoring the word "opportunity"?

TitianGerm

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

So basically you're staying because they scored. TAA stayed on? That's ridiculous.

I'd rather play against 10 men and have a pen than 11 men

So if Atsu missed TAA would have been sent off but would they got the pen because the ref played on? I'm even more confused now

eigrod

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

So basically you're staying because they scored. TAA stayed on? That's ridiculous.

I'd rather play against 10 men and have a pen than 11 men

Miss the pen and you are changing your mind. Newcastle would have been fuming had the ref blown as they were putting the ball in the net.

Not sure what the rule on cards is in this instance where the player hasn’t ultimately prevented a goal.

Lucas Hood

Nixonbot wrote: »

Why are you ignoring that a goal was scored, and therefore not denied?

I don't make the laws.

2 opportunities are entirely separate in my view anyway.

Shanotheslayer

TitianGerm wrote: »

So if Atsu missed TAA would have been sent off but would they got the pen because the ref played on? I'm even more confused now

I've no idea. I thought the rule changed to a yellow card when denying a goal scoring opportunity and the pen is given.

In my eyes TAA still should have been booked

Necro

I honestly don't understand how Henderson is still captain at Liverpool. VVD ten times the leader he is

Skylinehead

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

So basically you're staying because they scored. TAA stayed on? That's ridiculous.

I'd rather play against 10 men and have a pen than 11 men

What you want is utterly irrelevant to the laws of the game.

Adamcp898 wrote: »

Why are you ignoring the word "opportunity"?

Because the opportunity to score was still there, as shown by the honking great goal scored half a second later.

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

In my eyes TAA still should have been booked

He should have, yes.

Berserker

Newcastle are very poor in possession. Was wondering if fatigue might become an issue for Liverpool in the second half but it won't if the game continues on like this.

TitianGerm

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

I've no idea. I thought the rule changed to a yellow card when denying a goal scoring opportunity and the pen is given.

In my eyes TAA still should have been booked

Definitely should have got a yellow no doubt. It's everything else is confusing me :pac:

Shanotheslayer

Nixonbot wrote: »

What you want is utterly irrelevant to the laws of the game.



Because the opportunity to score was still there, as shown by the honking great goal scored half a second later.


He should have, yes.

I never stated what I want is relevant to the laws of the game. I'm saying it's a sh1te law :pac:

Adamcp898

Nixonbot wrote: »

Because the opportunity to score was still there, as shown by the honking great goal scored half a second later.

You mean the second opportunity was there, after TAA deliberately prevented the first.

But you know that, of course

Shanotheslayer

They should have it like in Rugby with a penalty try I think it is.

TAA should be off. Goal goes to Rondon.

For any deliberate handballs on the line.

That's what I think the law should be.

I also have Rondon in my fantasy team so it definitely should be changed by the time the game ends :pac:

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Shanotheslayer wrote: »

They should have it like in Rugby with a penalty try I think it is.

TAA should be off. Goal goes to Rondon.

For any deliberate handballs on the line.

That's what I think the law should be.

Agree. The rules in football are daft; they encourage cheating.

Skylinehead

Adamcp898 wrote: »

You mean the second opportunity was there, after TAA deliberately prevented the first.

But you know that, of course

Well we'll see when all the Sky Sports refs come out and say what it should have been.

The ball was still in play, right beside the goal, this is the whole concept of advantage. What's the law that says shot = opportunity? Newcastle still scored, the handball didn't have any effect on the game, yellow card. That's the spirit of the law and I don't see the problem with it. Deliberate handball is a separate offense.

windy shepard henderson

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

So basically you're staying because they scored. TAA stayed on? That's ridiculous.

I'd rather play against 10 men and have a pen than 11 men

given the type of season newcastle just had i imagine they will be happy enough to play against 11 with the goal scored

mightyreds

Jesus you were right about the yellow I didn't believe it at all

Strumms

Lucas Hood wrote: »

What rules?. Deliberate handball to deny a goalscoring opportunity is a red card.

You may be confusing the rule change they made a few years back but that's only when a player makes a genuine attempt at playing the ball

This, the ball was going in. If the penalty was misssed there was no proper sanction.

yabadabado

Why didnt the ref give TAA a yellow after the goal was scored?
Bad mistake by the ref.

Adamcp898

Nixonbot wrote: »

Well we'll see when all the Sky Sports refs come out and say what it should have been.

The ball was still in play, right beside the goal, this is the whole concept of advantage. What's the law that says shot = opportunity? Newcastle still scored, the handball didn't have any effect on the game, yellow card. That's the spirit of the law and I don't see the problem with it. Deliberate handball is a separate offense.

A simple "yes" would have sufficed. I'm not going to argue semantics with you while you backtrack.

Skylinehead

Adamcp898 wrote: »

A simple "yes" would have sufficed.

If you have anything useful to contribute, do so. Otherwise, stop trying to put words in my mouth.

mightyreds

yabadabado wrote: »

Why didnt the ref give TAA a yellow after the goal was scored?
Big mistake by the ref.

I don't think he has his cards rondon kicked the ball away , Ritchie raked at salah and TAA handball no cards given

Lucas Hood

Fa website says this which I think what sky meant but the ref didn't signal anything about advantage.

If the referee plays the advantage for an offence for which a caution / send off would have been issued had play been stopped, this caution / send off must be issued when the ball is next out of play, except for the denial of an obvious goal-scoring opportunity when the player is cautioned for unsporting behaviour.

Strumms

“Where a player denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by a deliberate handball offence the player is sent off wherever the offence occurs.“

A red card.

There is no room for interpretation there. Clear as daylight. Very poor officiating.

eigrod

Anyway, Newcastle should have conceded a penalty and had a man sent off too if the high boot law that saw Mane sent off at City last season was applied to the high boot on Mane today.

mightyreds

Strumms wrote: »

“Where a player denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by a deliberate handball offence the player is sent off wherever the offence occurs.“

A red card.

They just went through the rules on sky and agree with what the lads say here it's a yellow

Strumms

mightyreds wrote: »

They just went through the rules on sky and agree with what the lads say here it's a yellow

Well, from what I’m reading here I disagree with anyone who says that’s not a red.

Lucas Hood

mightyreds wrote: »

They just went through the rules on sky and agree with what the lads say here it's a yellow

Only if the ref played advantage. He didn't signal anything about advantage.

I don't think he seen it or he just bottled it.

yabadabado

mightyreds wrote: »

They just went through the rules on sky and agree with what the lads say here it's a yellow

But they are incorrect.

Shanotheslayer

I think the confusion is a deliberate hand ball is a red.

But if a defender say tackles as last man back and gives a pen it's a yellow. Used to be red?

TitianGerm

Strumms wrote: »

“Where a player denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by a deliberate handball offence the player is sent off wherever the offence occurs.“

A red card.

There is no room for interpretation there. Clear as daylight. Very poor officiating.

Lucas post above seems to say a yellow is correct?

Lucas Hood

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

I think the confusion is a deliberate hand ball is a red.

But if a defender say tackles as last man back and gives a pen it's a yellow. Used to be red?

Yup only if he makes a genuine attempt at playing the ball. If he just clatters into the attacker or pulls them back it's still a red.

citytillidie

Seems some people need to brush up on their laws of the game

mightyreds

yabadabado wrote: »

But they are incorrect.

Well then the rules are wrong cause absolutely everyone on sky now is saying it's not a red, and they love controversial decisions and aren't making a deal of it

Lucas Hood

What did Geoff Shreeves say there a minute ago I missed it .

Shanotheslayer

Lucas Hood wrote: »

What did Geoff Shreeves say there a minute ago I missed it .

Probably something incorrect anyway

ERG89

citytillidie wrote:

Seems some people need to brush up on their laws of the game

Reminds me of City vs QPR when a cousin told me Joey Barton was sent off for quote: "Being a b*llocks".
Was unaware at the time it was a red card offence.

Strumms

Ok, how did he miss but by THAT much 😳

eigrod

Lucas Hood wrote: »

What did Geoff Shreeves say there a minute ago I missed it .

That Newcastle bench fuming it wasn’t red. Massive surprise like.

Strumms

Nice, deserved.

Mr.Nice Guy

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