General Premier League Thread 2018-19 Part 2

Garzorico

eigrod wrote: »

That Man Utd squad is in serious need of overhaul. 10/11 players needed is probably no exaggeration looking at them this season. De Gea and Rashford about the only 2 that might be ok and both of them look like they’d rather be elsewhere.

Chelsea finished 10th in Jose’s last season and won the league the next season without an overhaul - one starter in I think. Coaches make good teams not €€€€€€.

Berserker

charolais0153 wrote: »

liverpool were 11/10 recently, cant see city dropping points, leicester burnley and brighton...i just dont see it unfortunately

Burnley is a tough place to go to. They'll cause City problems. If Leicester get at Man City a la Spurs, they'll open them up and Vardy will score against them. However, Liverpool have Barcelona (A), Newcastle (A) and Barcelona (H) over the space of six days. That's going to be a very tough week for them. Really could have done with having Newcastle away this weekend and Huddersfield next week, where he can play the u12s if he wants to. Still think they'll win all their PL games though.

~Rebel~

Garzorico wrote: »

Chelsea finished 10th in Jose’s last season and won the league the next season without an overhaul - one starter in I think. Coaches make good teams not €€€€€€.

All situations are not equal. That Chelsea team had also won the league the year before, so the quality and ability were obviously there, it was just the mentality that had slipped under Mourinho. The money had already been spent there, the proven team had already been assembled.

This case is totally different. This team has shown none of what that Chelsea team had shown beforehand. There is no shining past form for those players to be able to resurrect

Shanotheslayer

charolais0153 wrote: »

liverpool were 11/10 recently, cant see city dropping points, leicester burnley and brighton...i just dont see it unfortunately

They were 11/10 when City had to go play Spurs and United I'm assuming. That would still have City favs at probably around 4/5 or so at a guess

TitianGerm

https://twitter.com/Football__Tweet/status/1121164859188633600?s=19

If this is true it's a joke. No way does he deserve to be in the team of the year. Played well for about 4 weeks all season.

Garzorico

~Rebel~ wrote: »

All situations are not equal. That Chelsea team had also won the league the year before, so the quality and ability were obviously there, it was just the mentality that had slipped under Mourinho. The money had already been spent there, the proven team had already been assembled.

This case is totally different. This team has shown none of what that Chelsea team had shown beforehand. There is no shining past form for those players to be able to resurrect

Leicester

Shanotheslayer

TitianGerm wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Football__Tweet/status/1121164859188633600?s=19

If this is true it's a joke. No way does he deserve to be in the team of the year. Played well for about 4 weeks all season.

All those penalty goals making his stats look better.

Son deserves to be in it

giveitholly

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

All those penalty goals making his stats look better.

Son deserves to be in it

Totally forgot about Son,should definitely of made it

TitianGerm

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

All those penalty goals making his stats look better.

Son deserves to be in it

Son or Neves anyway.

If you wanted to put someone in for a heap of penalties you could have picked Milivojević.

Edit: I'm assuming Bilva and Fernandinho are the other two CMs.

~Rebel~

Garzorico wrote: »

Leicester

What's your point?

Leicester surprised people, but their odds alone show you they are the definitive exception that proves the rule.

There's a reason why their odds were so long, and there's a reason why no-one else has won the premier league under such circumstances.

And, it still took a brilliant group of players to do it. Mahrez was better than any creative player Utd have. Vardy was better than any striker Utd have. Kante was better than any midfielder Utd have.

Quazzie

giveitholly wrote: »

Totally forgot about Son,should definitely of made it

So a striker who isn't even in the top 10 goal scorers in the league deserves to be in the TOTY?? Nonsense

giveitholly

Quazzie wrote: »

So a striker who isn't even in the top 10 goal scorers in the league deserves to be in the TOTY?? Nonsense

He is not a striker,well not when Kane is playing anyway,and pogba making it is nonsense

TitianGerm

Quazzie wrote: »

So a striker who isn't even in the top 10 goal scorers in the league deserves to be in the TOTY?? Nonsense

Played most of his games deeper. Only really played up front when Kane was out.

Shanotheslayer

Arsenal fan doesn't think a Spurs player deserves TOTY.

Shocker.

ShamoBuc

The fact that Pogba made that team, simply lessens any credence to it.

Shanotheslayer

I assume the back line was

Walker(or TAA) VVD Laporte Robertson.

Feel Digne deserves a mention for LB as he's been very good this season but Robertson has been sensational and deserves it.

~Rebel~

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

All those penalty goals making his stats look better.

Son deserves to be in it

Very tough position to fit into this season though, With Sterling, Salah, Aguero, and Hazard each scoring and assisting more, and then the likes of Bernardo Silva and Mane having great seasons as well.

Quazzie

TitianGerm wrote: »

Played most of his games deeper. Only really played up front when Kane was out.

Hazard and Aubameyang for that matter played in similar positions and both outscored him.

Shanotheslayer

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Very tough position to fit into this season though, With Sterling, Salah, Aguero, and Hazard each scoring and assisting more, and then the likes of Bernardo Silva and Mane having great seasons as well.

Yeh I agree. I think he's worth a mention though based on his season and felt he warranted a space.

One of those situations ' had he got it I wouldn't have questioned it unlike Pogba's situation

TitianGerm

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

I assume the back line was

Walker(or TAA) VVD Laporte Robertson.

Feel Digne deserves a mention for LB as he's been very good this season but Robertson has been sensational and deserves it.

Allison/Ederson

AWB Laporte VVD Robertson
Fernandinho
Bilva Neves
Sterling Augero Salah

Honourable mention to the following
Doherty and Digne
Doucoure, Wijnaldum, Fraser, Brooks, Sigurdson and Sissoko
Son, Mane, Kane

~Rebel~

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Yeh I agree. I think he's worth a mention though based on his season and felt he warranted a space.

One of those situations ' had he got it I wouldn't have questioned it unlike Pogba's situation

Yeah, totally, there's probably 6 players that would all be totally deserving of a spot in a front 3.

Harry Palmr

So then with everyone on 35 games the top four trophy race is

Team--Played--W---D---L---F--A---Points
Tottenham--35---23---1--11--65:35----70
Chelsea---- 35---20---7---8--59:38----67
Arsenal

---

35---20--- 6---9--69:46----66
Man Utd----35---19--- 7---9--63:50----64

Spurs play West Ham next while Utd host Chelsea so basically Spurs win and Utd lose and they cannot qualify with two games left.

Spurs 73
Chelsea 70
Arsenal 66-69 (playing Leicester City)
Man Utd 64 and worse goal difference than Chelsea. I think that's right.

It won't happen I'm sure but if Wolves win their last 3 and Utd lose theirs, Wolves would be just 5 points behind.

TitianGerm

Quazzie wrote: »

Hazard and Aubameyang for that matter played in similar positions and both outscored him.

Hazard form seemed to dip a lot and PEA has padded his stats with quite a few penalties. He was excellent at the start of the season though.

Don't forget that Son was away for the Asia games in January as well and did he miss a few games at the start of the season for some other international thing?

Iused2likebusts

Harry Palmr wrote: »

So then with everyone on 35 games the top four trophy race is

Team--Played--W---D---L---F--A---Points
Tottenham--35---23---1--11--65:35----70
Chelsea---- 35---20---7---8--59:38----67
Arsenal

---

35---20--- 6---9--69:46----66
Man Utd----35---19--- 7---9--63:50----64

It won't happen I'm sure but if Wolves win their last 3 and Utd lose theirs, Wolves would be just 5 points behind.

Never realised Spurs had lost 11 games.

Shanotheslayer

TitianGerm wrote: »

Allison/Ederson

AWB Laporte VVD Robertson
Fernandinho
Bilva Neves
Sterling Augero Salah

Honourable mention to the following
Doherty and Digne
Doucoure, Wijnaldum, Fraser, Brooks, Sigurdson and Sissoko
Son, Mane, Kane

AWB is not possible as RB bases on the tweet but I assume this is your opinion which is fine. AWB worth a mention imo!

greenfield21

all three games on sky on Sunday can't wait, what a year for the premier league. I can't see Chelsea losing on sunday, they will be well rested compared to united and united will be dejected after their big performance tonight.

TitianGerm

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

AWB is not possible as RB bases on the tweet but I assume this is your opinion which is fine. AWB worth a mention imo!

Oh sorry that's the team I'd pick, not the actual PFA team.

TitianGerm

greenfield21 wrote: »

all three games on sky on Sunday can't wait, what a year for the premier league. I can't see Chelsea losing on sunday, they will be well rested compared to united and united will be dejected after their big performance tonight.

If Chelsea beat United that's 8 losses in 10 for them.

Utopia Parkway

PFA team of the season is

Ederson
TAA
Laporte
VVD
Robertson
Bernardo Silva
Fernandinho
Pogba
Mane
Sterling
Aguero

Shanotheslayer

The moat standout player in that team is Pogba for all the wrong reasons. :pac:

jbt123

Berserker wrote: »

Happy to report that they are chez moi. Massive win for City tonight, without a doubt but I still think they'll drop points and Liverpool won't. The Liverpool v Huddersfield odds are hilarious. Huddersfield are 45/1 and the draw is 57/4. 22/1 for a Burnley win are very good odds also, for a team at home.

That probably sounds funnier in your head,and indeed as you were typing... but back here in the real world of probabilities... you're about as right as a left bollock....

Harry Palmr

Dear god that team would win every game but for Pogba.

Did they just throw in a non City/Liverpool Man Utd player to appease Surrey and Norway?

TitianGerm

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

The moat standout player in that team is Pogba for all the wrong reasons. :pac:

Mad that you can sulk up to Christmas, get your manager sacked, turn up for 4 weeks, decide you couldn't be arsed anymore, flirt with Real and then still make it into the team

giveitholly

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Dear god that team would win every game but for Pogba.

But but what about all the penalties he would score

jpboard1

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

PFA team of the season is

Ederson
TAA
Laporte
VVD
Robertson
Bernardo Silva
Fernandinho
Pogba
Mane
Sterling
Aguero

Ederson-no
Pogba-no
Mane-debatable
Aguero-debatable

jpboard1

giveitholly wrote: »

But but what about all the penalties he would score

And miss...

Father Hernandez

jpboard1 wrote: »

Ederson-no
Pogba-no
Mane-debatable
Aguero-debatable

No chance that's debatable, deservedly in that team.

Joint Top goalscorer and joint second most assists in the league.

Arguably his best season for City.

Harry Palmr

jpboard1 wrote: »

Ederson-no
Pogba-no
Mane-debatable
Aguero-debatable

Ederson best GK distributor in the game and decent in all other regards
Aguero 19 goals
Mane 18 goals

Pogba I'll give you.

Garzorico

~Rebel~ wrote: »

What's your point?

Leicester surprised people, but their odds alone show you they are the definitive exception that proves the rule.

There's a reason why their odds were so long, and there's a reason why no-one else has won the premier league under such circumstances.

And, it still took a brilliant group of players to do it. Mahrez was better than any creative player Utd have. Vardy was better than any striker Utd have. Kante was better than any midfielder Utd have.

Ah so Leicester and the players mentioned above showed title winning form the season before they won it did they? Nope. No reason Utd couldn’t win the league next season - I bet the odds will reflect that too.

TitianGerm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Ederson best GK distributor in the game and decent in all other regards
Aguero 19 goals
Mane 18 goals

Pogba I'll give you.

Salah has a goal more than Mane and and 6 more assists in the league. Mane hit his purple patch and Salah his barren run closer to the voting though. Both have had good seasons.

Mr.Nice Guy

PFA Team of the Year is spot on except Hazard should be there instead of Mane.

Edit: Didn't notice the keeper spot. I'd have Alisson personally but it's close between him and Ederson.

~Rebel~

Garzorico wrote: »

Ah so Leicester and the players mentioned above showed title winning form the season before they won it did they? Nope. No reason Utd couldn’t win the league next season - I bet the odds will reflect that too.

That's an entirely different argument than the one you made...

You made the point that Chelsea went from 10th to 1st because of a good manager rather than because of money. I made the point that the money had already been spent, the players had already been assembled, and that very team had already won the league.

I didn't say that every team that's won a league had already won a league - I made the point that your chosen example had already won the league with those players, so your chosen example did not prove the point you were trying to make.

Yes, of course it's possible for Manchester United to win the league next season. It's just much more likely that they won't, and it would require many of their players to play better than they've done before, and for opposition players of several clubs to play worse than they've done before. But of course it's possible. They'll probably be around 6th favourites to do it.

Garzorico

~Rebel~ wrote: »

That's an entirely different argument than the one you made...

You made the point that Chelsea went from 10th to 1st because of a good manager rather than because of money. I made the point that the money had already been spent, the players had already been assembled, and that very team had already won the league.

I didn't say that every team that's won a league had already won a league - I made the point that your chosen example had already won the league with those players, so your chosen example did not prove the point you were trying to make.

Yes, of course it's possible for Manchester United to win the league next season. It's just much more likely that they won't, and it would require many of their players to play better than they've done before, and for opposition players of several clubs to play worse than they've done before. But of course it's possible. They'll probably be around 6th favourites to do it.

Point Is money doesn’t win leagues - good coaching does.

Utopia Parkway

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

PFA Team of the Year is spot on except Hazard should be there instead of Mane.

Edit: Didn't notice the keeper spot. I'd have Alisson personally but it's close between him and Ederson.

Mane has been pretty much unstoppable since Christmas. Much bigger case for Hazard (or Son) for Pogba and line them up in a 4-2-3-1.

charolais0153

giveitholly wrote: »

But but what about all the penalties he would score

without pogba, there isnt a decent pk taker in that team.

LuckyLloyd

TitianGerm wrote: »

If Chelsea beat United that's 8 losses in 10 for them.

Serious questions should be asked about Ole. A well run club would let him go following defeat this Sunday. No point compounding a mistake. Performance levels since Paris clearly indicate that he isn’t up to the task.

~Rebel~

Garzorico wrote: »

Point Is money doesn’t win leagues - good coaching does.

Good coaching alone doesn't. Good coaching of good players with good attitudes does.

And the best way to have good players is with money. Hence why the league is consistently won by the teams amongst those with the highest wage bills in the league - with Leicester being the notable exception of the past 20 years, at which time they managed it with top notch recruitment.

jpboard1

Father Hernandez wrote: »

No chance that's debatable, deservedly in that team.

Joint Top goalscorer and joint second most assists in the league.

Arguably his best season for City.

Joint with salah who has been in a more defensive team. Debatable

jpboard1

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Serious questions should be asked about Ole. A well run club would let him go following defeat this Sunday. No point compounding a mistake. Performance levels since Paris clearly indicate that he isn’t up to the task.

They should give him a minimum of half a billion in the summer. That team needs another pogba type and maybe another Fred or two.

jpboard1

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Ederson best GK distributor in the game and decent in all other regards
Aguero 19 goals
Mane 18 goals

Pogba I'll give you.

Allison has had a better season. More clean sheets. Better save/shot ratio. Distribution as good.
Salah has been better than mane and as good as Aguero.