General Premier League Thread 2018-19 Part 2

Shanotheslayer

jpboard1 wrote: »

Joint with salah who has been in a more defensive team. Debatable

Hasn't he played a good few more games than Aguero also?

Aguero deservedly in that team

jpboard1

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Hasn't he played a good few more games than Aguero also?

Aguero deservedly in that team

In a way more attacking team. Imagine what salah would do in that team. Also, Aguero always misses a good few games due to injury

Shanotheslayer

jpboard1 wrote: »

In a way more attacking team. Imagine what salah would do in that team. Also, Aguero always misses a good few games due to injury

I don't understand your point in relation to Aguero missing games due to to injury. Is he supposed to not be in the team because he gets injured?

Imagining Salah at City is a Mickey Mouse debate. We're discussing the TOTY. Not the best players if they played for a better attacking team.

correction

Hazard should 100% be on the left. Best player in the league.

jpboard1

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

I don't understand your point in relation to Aguero missing games due to to injury. Is he supposed to not be in the team because he gets injured?

Imagining Salah at City is a Mickey Mouse debate. We're discussing the TOTY. Not the best players if they played for a better attacking team.

The point is, salah has done as well as Aguero this season. Stats prove this.

jpboard1

correction wrote: »

Hazard should 100% be on the left. Best player in the league.

Most talented in the league, probably. Best? Not consistent enough for me.

Shanotheslayer

jpboard1 wrote: »

The point is, salah has done as well as Aguero this season. Stats prove this.

Nobody said Salah didn't deserved to be in it?

Unless I missed the comment.

TitianGerm

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

I don't understand your point in relation to Aguero missing games due to to injury. Is he supposed to not be in the team because he gets injured?

Imagining Salah at City is a Mickey Mouse debate. We're discussing the TOTY. Not the best players if they played for a better attacking team.

Here's a good article from Statsbomb about why Salah could have been considered for POTY. I'd say it's similar for TOTY.

https://statsbomb.com/2019/04/obviously-mohammed-salah-should-have-been-on-the-pfa-shortlist/

jpboard1

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Nobody said Salah didn't deserved to be in it?

Unless I missed the comment.

Yeah. Was just commenting on the team put forward. Aguero and mane were in it. Salah wasn’t. No sterling either

5starpool

Salah's numbers have been good, but he doesn't deserve to be in the team of the season. Pogba definitely doesn't, which shows the impact of playing well for a few weeks around voting time.

the whole year inn

TitianGerm wrote: »

Here's a good article from Statsbomb about why Salah could have been considered for POTY. I'd say it's similar for TOTY.

https://statsbomb.com/2019/04/obviously-mohammed-salah-should-have-been-on-the-pfa-shortlist/

Salah played 800 minutes more than Aguero. Says alot about what Aguero does when hes on the pitch.

TitianGerm

the whole year inn wrote: »

Salah played 800 minutes more than Aguero. Says alot about what Aguero does when hes on the pitch.

Salah is getting double marked in most games so much harder for him to operate this year. Probably has helped Mane though as he's getting more space.

If Augero could stay fit for a full season he'd bag some amount of goals.

GavRedKing

TitianGerm wrote: »

If Chelsea beat United that's 8 losses in 10 for them.

Wont happen, we havent won away to a top 6 side in something like 10 games.

The worst thing is a draw probably kills both sides chances of 4th and Arsenal will stroll in and nick it.

Spurs beating Brighton the other night has all but ensured they get 3rd at this stage, was a vital win so they werent dragged into a race for 4th.

jpboard1

5starpool wrote: »

Salah's numbers have been good, but he doesn't deserve to be in the team of the season. Pogba definitely doesn't, which shows the impact of playing well for a few weeks around voting time.

His stats are as good or better than other players in the team

jpboard1

GavRedKing wrote: »

Wont happen, we havent won away to a top 6 side in something like 10 games.

The worst thing is a draw probably kills both sides chances of 4th and Arsenal will stroll in and nick it.

Spurs beating Brighton the other night has all but ensured they get 3rd at this stage, was a vital win so they werent dragged into a race for 4th.

Arsenal aren’t strolling anywhere. They need a good kick up the ass

jpboard1

the whole year inn wrote: »

Salah played 800 minutes more than Aguero. Says alot about what Aguero does when hes on the pitch.

Yes but he can’t stay fit. Has to be taken into account.

5starpool

jpboard1 wrote: »

His stats are as good or better than other players in the team

You can prove anything with stats Bill.

jpboard1

5starpool wrote: »

You can prove anything with stats Bill.

So what are you basing your statement on?

Shanotheslayer

jpboard1 wrote: »

Yes but he can’t stay fit. Has to be taken into account.

No it doesn't. Not for a TOT. If anything it makes his stats better!

5starpool

jpboard1 wrote: »

So what are you basing your statement on?

Having watched every minute of every Liverpool game. Is that OK?

jpboard1

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

No it doesn't. Not for a TOT. If anything it makes his stats better!

Yes it does. You need a player you can rely on. Not one that’s going to be missing. No doubt Aguero is brilliant when fit. Just not fit enough.

jpboard1

5starpool wrote: »

Having watched every minute of every Liverpool game. Is that OK?

Oh just on your opinion then?

Father Hernandez

jpboard1 wrote: »

Yes it does. You need a player you can rely on. Not one that’s going to be missing. No doubt Aguero is brilliant when fit. Just not fit enough.

Aguero has only not played in 5 PL games all season, came off injured in 1 game.

Given the Pep rotation he came off usually around the 60/70 mark in a lot of games this season after scoring, assisting, generally getting his team set up to win.

Stats are v impressive this season.

You could say he's been more reliable, scores early, comes off, gives Jesus et al a run out

jpboard1

Father Hernandez wrote: »

Aguero has only not played in 5 PL games all season, came off injured in 1 game.

Given the Pep rotation he came off usually around the 60/70 mark in a lot of games this season after scoring, assisting, generally getting his team set up to win.

Stats are v impressive this season.

Absolutely. But Salah can be depended on far more. Has been able to play far more minutes. For now anyway. I fear it will eventually take its toll. For me, they should both be in the team. With probably sterling as the third in a front 3.

GavRedKing

Sunday is going to be a great day of football.

City chasing Pool in their most difficult game left, away to Burnley who are safe but I'd imagine Dyche would love to upset the apple cart and frustrate City and Pep, if City play like they did last night, Burnley wont stand a chance.

Arsenal go away to Leicester and take the 9th best away record in the PL with them, nothing is sure with Arsenal and away trips so that should be interesting, a win or draw moves them back up to 4th for the time being.

Utd host Chelsea, two sides hoping for 4th but neither are in a great place at the moment, Utd have 7 losses from 9 games and Chelsea dont show up in away games to rivals.

5starpool

jpboard1 wrote: »

Oh just on your opinion then?

My opinion is based on my opinion. Ground breaking realisation for you.

the whole year inn

jpboard1 wrote: »

Absolutely. But Salah can be depended on far more. Has been able to play far more minutes. For now anyway. I fear it will eventually take its toll. For me, they should both be in the team. With probably sterling as the third in a front 3.

Aguero more dependable that Salah. Hes a goal machine. Aguero done it year on year.

jpboard1

5starpool wrote: »

My opinion is based on my opinion. Ground breaking realisation for you.

and yet completely inconsequential

jpboard1

the whole year inn wrote: »

Aguero more dependable that Salah. Hes a goal machine. Aguero done it year on year.

award is only based on this season

the whole year inn

jpboard1 wrote: »

award is only based on this season

Just saying Aguero more dependable, he is top goal scorer or there about every season.

On this season Its clear to me that Aguero is better , 800 minutes is quite significant .

ebbsy

Somebody texted me and said Pogba was in team of the year.

I thought they were taking the piss.

jpboard1

ebbsy wrote: »

Somebody texted me and said Pogba was in team of the year.

I thought they were taking the piss.

And the headline on the BBC is Pogba. Would make you laugh

5starpool

jpboard1 wrote: »

and yet completely inconsequential

As is this whole forum then and any opinion anyone has ever stated. What point are you trying to make?

Trigger

Pogba in the TOTY is a joke tbh, had a handful of good games when Ole took over and then reverted to type.

I'd have Neves in there over him every day of the week

TitianGerm

astradave wrote: »

Pogba in the TOTY is a joke tbh, had a handful of good games when Ole took over and then reverted to type.

I'd have Neves in there over him every day of the week

Neves was outstanding. Only 22 and first time in the PL. Would love him at Liverpool.

Trigger

TitianGerm wrote: »

Neves was outstanding. Only 22 and first time in the PL. Would love him at Liverpool.

Yep, will have plenty of suitors, I'd love him at United.. will cost a fortune though as Wolves dont need the money

TitianGerm

astradave wrote: »

Yep, will have plenty of suitors, I'd love him at United.. will cost a fortune though as Wolves dont need the money

I don't think he'll leave this summer. Wouldn't be surprised if Wolves invest heavily and try challenge for Top 4 next season.

Trigger

TitianGerm wrote: »

I don't think he'll leave this summer. Wouldn't be surprised if Wolves invest heavily and try challenge for Top 4 next season.

I was only chatting about that to a Wolves fan I know, says that the word is they are going to try keep building on what they have.

Would be surprised to see them sell anyone as Mendes is an advisor to the owner and a good friend. Might see them go for some of his bigger clients.

TitianGerm

astradave wrote: »

I was only chatting about that to a Wolves fan I know, says that the word is they are going to try keep building on what they have.

Would be surprised to see them sell anyone as Mendes is an advisor to the owner and a good friend. Might see them go for some of his bigger clients.

I used to work with one but seeing all his Facebook posts are brilliant now. He's delighted with his club

Berserker

TitianGerm wrote: »

Neves was outstanding. Only 22 and first time in the PL. Would love him at Liverpool.

Are you going to spend big this summer? He's going to cost you £100m or so. Proven PL talent and he's yet to reach his prime. I'd stay at Wolves if I was him. Ditto for the Irish lad.

ricero

Ole is proving to be a top spoofer and out of his depth. One of the biggest rebuild jobs in football is needed at old trafford and he is not experienced enough for the job.

Once again Woodward went for the easy option and the Utd fans fell for it hook, line and sinker. Woodward needs shifting and then an elite manager needs to revive that club.

The gulf in class between Utd and City last night was night and day stuff.

TitianGerm

Berserker wrote: »

Are you going to spend big this summer? He's going to cost you £100m or so. Proven PL talent and he's yet to reach his prime. I'd stay at Wolves if I was him. Ditto for the Irish lad.

I'd say Klopp will look for a number 10 (similar to Fekir) a backup striker who can cover the WF spots (Brandt linked) and someone who can cover LB/RB so maybe 100m in buys?

Grujic is been linked with a €40m move away so probably not going to cost massive money for the above players after sales. The club have huge hopes for Brewster so I think he'll get a lot of minutes next season.

If Leeds come up I think Milner will join them. Moreno and Sturidge are out of contract so they'll be off. Mingleot will probably go as well for first team football. That would leave us needing an older guy to be sub keeper.

Shanotheslayer

TitianGerm wrote: »

Moreno and Sturidge are out of contract so they'll be off. Mingleot will probably go as well for first team football

The core Liverpool that every non Liverpool fan loved. They will be greatly missed :pac:

fyfe79

TitianGerm wrote: »

I'd say Klopp will look for a number 10 (similar to Fekir) a backup striker who can cover the WF spots (Brandt linked) and someone who can cover LB/RB so maybe 100m in buys?

Grujic is been linked with a €40m move away so probably not going to cost massive money for the above players after sales. The club have huge hopes for Brewster so I think he'll get a lot of minutes next season.

If Leeds come up I think Milner will join them. Moreno and Sturidge are out of contract so they'll be off. Mingleot will probably go as well for first team football. That would leave us needing an older guy to be sub keeper.

One of the 18 goalkeepers at Burnley would probably do.

TitianGerm

fyfe79 wrote: »

One of the 18 goalkeepers at Burnley would probably do.

He just needs to be a solid keeper for the cups. Could pick Cech up if he leaves Arsenal and he's happy to be subbing.

fyfe79

I'd go with Nick Pope.

PaddyWilliams

TitianGerm wrote: »

He just needs to be a solid keeper for the cups. Could pick Cech up if he leaves Arsenal and he's happy to be subbing.

Is Cech not retiring I thought?

GavRedKing

Cech is retiring an taking up coaching apparently.

TitianGerm

PaddyWilliams wrote: »

Is Cech not retiring I thought?

Maybe he is. Was just using him as an example.

Utopia Parkway

jpboard1 wrote: »

The point is, salah has done as well as Aguero this season. Stats prove this.

Salah had such an insane season last year that it feels like this season has been a relative disappointment even though by any regular metric he's had a very good season.