General Premier League Thread 2018-19 Part 2

Shanotheslayer

ozzy jr wrote: »

This thread (again)

Maybe next season, we can have a Premier League thread for non United and 'pool fans? Maybe even one for for people who don't support a PL club. I'm sure there's a few of us here.

Can sh1te premier League clubs join in to? I'm in

TitianGerm

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Can sh1te premier League clubs join in to? I'm in

Your lot ain't ****e anymore.... Unless you meant the United











This is a joke before anyone gets offended!!

Shanotheslayer

TitianGerm wrote: »

Your lot ain't ****e anymore....

That's what they want you to think. A few good string of results and we finally think we're going to do something useful and bam! We go to sh1te, I know it all to well :pac:

blueser

ozzy jr wrote: »

This thread (again)

Maybe next season, we can have a Premier League thread for non United and 'pool fans? Maybe even one for for people who don't support a PL club. I'm sure there's a few of us here.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057896655

Agent Coulson

So Chelsea will have to use some of there 6284 players they have out on loan then next season

Wrongway1985

citytillidie wrote: »

The ref is on record saying he would have sent Cech off and awarded Liverpool a pen if he did not award a goal

Never seen that before what an awful decision that would have been. So he awarded a goal his assistant said to give and if he wasn't awarding it he was sending Cech off for what certainly wasnt a red card. Refs make mistakes thank feck for goal line tech now.

Baggly

Think he meant a thread where PL can be discussed with fans who have no skin in the game blueser. Not a thread to discuss the EFL.

ozzy jr

Pter wrote: »

Think he meant a thread where PL can be discussed with fans who have no skin in the game blueser. Not a thread to discuss the EFL.

Exactly this.

TitianGerm

blueser wrote: »

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057896655

Did you used to use that one Blueser

blueser

Pter wrote: »

Think he meant a thread where PL can be discussed with fans who have no skin in the game blueser. Not a thread to discuss the EFL.

Sorry; misunderstood his post.

TitianGerm wrote: »

Did you used to use that one Blueser

Not at all. I've been following City since 2008; before that I was a Chelsea fan, and neither club have been out of the PL in, ooooh, ages.

TitianGerm

blueser wrote: »

Not at all. I've been following City since 2008; before that I was a Chelsea fan, and neither club have been out of the PL in, ooooh, ages.

Brilliant :pac:

Shanotheslayer

blueser wrote: »

Not at all. I've been following City since 2008; before that I was a Chelsea fan, and neither club have been out of the PL in, ooooh, ages.

Haha that gave me some laugh

Shanotheslayer

Everton will best Spurs last game of season I think. Shame it be for nothing.

Berserker

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Everton will best Spurs last game of season I think. Shame it be for nothing.

Might well do. However, they'll start off next season with three draws and two loses or something similar, knowing Everton.

Shanotheslayer

Berserker wrote: »

Might well do. However, they start off next season with three draws and two loses or something similar, knowing Everton.

That's generous. Definitely be 3 loses 1 draw. Probably get City first game of the season! :pac:

citytillidie

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

Never seen that before what an awful decision that would have been. So he awarded a goal his assistant said to give and if he wasn't awarding it he was sending Cech off for what certainly wasnt a red card. Refs make mistakes thank feck for goal line tech now.

Baros nick the ball ahead of the keeper as going around him to tap it in, keeper took him out it is a pen and red card as by the laws of the game at the time

klose

Pretty good year for English football, two English sides contesting the champions league final, almost certainly a third will contest the europa final and you wouldnt back against Chelsea making it either.

Balance of power swinging back towards England?

dmigsy

Father Hernandez wrote: »

Feels earlier than normal this year for whatever reason. Copa America starting early June. Will have a bit of that.

African Cup of Nations on in the summer now too. Starts June 21st.

Dr. Bre

dmigsy wrote: »

African Cup of Nations on in the summer now too. Starts June 21st.

That will be hot conditions!

yourdeadwright

Very tuff end of the season for United Fan's

City can do the treble
Liverpool can do the Double
Spurs can win the Champions league
Arsenal can win the Europa
Chelsea can win the Europa

United can watch ,

pjohnson

City can do the treble without being in the CL final?

yourdeadwright

pjohnson wrote: »

City can do the treble without being in the CL final?

They won the Carling cup or whatever it is ,
They can win the Prem
They can win the Fa Cup

pjohnson

pjohnson wrote: »

City can do the treble without being in the CL final?

It must be particularly tough for him specifically
Because he never stops talking about Utd :pac:

MD1990

pjohnson wrote: »

City can do the treble without being in the CL final?

I think City would swap all 3 for the CL title.

Since they never won.

While Liverpool just want the league.

pjohnson

Fred The Red wrote: »

It must be particularly tough for him specifically
Because he never stops talking about Utd :pac:

Even when his team can win the double he STILL cant just enjoy the success without his favourite topic.

yourdeadwright

pjohnson wrote: »

Even when his team can win the double he STILL cant just enjoy the success without his favourite topic.

Don't worry I'm enjoying every bit of it,

To be honest even if they lose the final its worth it for the feeling of Tuesday night,

Obviously you want to win trophies and be gutted if they don't win it ,
but football is all about how it makes you feel and Tuesday will take some beating.

citytillidie

Dr. Bre wrote: »

That will be hot conditions!

Average temp in June in Egypt is around 27 C, same as some places for the World Cup that was in Brazil

citytillidie

yourdeadwright wrote: »

They won the Carling cup or whatever it is ,
They can win the Prem
They can win the Fa Cup

Don't you know according to some the treble has to be a specific set of trophies. :pac:

yourdeadwright

citytillidie wrote: »

Don't you know according to some the treble has to be a specific set of trophies. :pac:

Seems the league cup is only meaningless depending on who wins it, Same with the Europa league

Fitz*

One thing I always found funny is that 'the treble' is only allowed to mean a particular set of trophies.
Fair enough, Liverpool's in 2001 was not seen as a 'real' treble as the league was not won, instead it was 3 cups.

So on that basis, for a 'real' treble, it has to be a league + 2 cups.
Man City are in pole position to do that this season.

the 1999 treble is always talked about as 'the' treble as it was the League, European cup and a domestic trophy.
In 1984, Liverpool won the League, European cup and a domestic trophy.

pjohnson

citytillidie wrote: »

Don't you know according to some the treble has to be a specific set of trophies. :pac:

I thought THE treble was generally regarded as the three major elite competitions a club can enter. The league, the main national cup and Champions League. Be it Serie A, Coppa Italia and CL or La Liga, Copa Del Rey, CL or Premier League, FA Cup and CL and so on.

Naturally a club can win three trophies and count it as A treble but I thought THE treble referred specifically to the three mentioned above.

Kinda like in tennis a player can win 4 tournaments in a year and fair play to them but its not called a Grand Slam unless those 4 are specifically the major tournaments ie. Australian Open, Wimbledon, Roland Garros and American Open. (Upgraded to Golden Slam if they add an Olympic Gold medal that same year)

yourdeadwright

pjohnson wrote: »

I thought THE treble was generally regarded as the three major elite competitions a club can enter. The league, the main national cup and Champions League. Be it Serie A, Coppa Italia and CL or La Liga, Copa Del Rey, CL or Premier League, FA Cup and CL and so on.

Naturally a club can win three trophies and count it as A treble but I thought THE treble referred specifically to the three mentioned above.

Kinda like in tennis a player can win 4 tournaments in a year and fair play to them but its not called a Grand Slam unless those 4 are specifically the major tournaments ie. Australian Open, Wimbledon, Roland Garros and American Open.

I can see what your saying but why then would the League cup count in the quadruple everyone was banging on about but not count in a treble ?

Adamcp898

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I can see what your saying but why then would the League cup count in the quadruple everyone was banging on about but not count in a treble ?

I'll give you a clue

yourdeadwright

Adamcp898 wrote: »

I'll give you a clue

You don't get what I'm saying do you ?

If you don't count the carling cup in a treble why count it in a quadruple

For instance if you do "the double" does it have to be two certain trophies or is it only in a treble you have to get specific about the trophies

pjohnson

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I can see what your saying but why then would the League cup count in the quadruple everyone was banging on about but not count in a treble ?

Because 3 plus one is 4. To complete the treble mentioned and then crown it with winning the only other competition entered would be the cherry on top.

Like I added above (you may have missed it and quoted before I made my edit).

A Golden Slam is all 4 tennis titles + Olympic Gold. If the player wins 3/4 tennis titles plus Olympic Gold then yeah s/he has won 4/5 tournaments BUT they still cant claim a Grand Slam since they missed one of the open titles nor can they claim a Golden Slam since its not 5/5. You cant just replace loosing Roland Garros with the Olympic Gold and call it a Grand Slam year.

The terms (at least in tennis) are tournament specific so a failure in one eliminates the ability to "claim" this term. I thought the same criteria applied for THE treble.

In terms of basic arithmetic a double a treble a quad etc. are possible but I was referring the "THE treble"

Iused2likebusts

I think back in 99 teams took the Fa cup more serious than the league cup. Nowadays there is no difference between how teams approach both these cups.

Adamcp898

yourdeadwright wrote: »

You don't get what I'm saying do you ?

If you don't count the carling cup in a treble why count it in a quadruple

For instance if you do "the double" does it have to be two certain trophies or is it only in a treble you have to get specific about the trophies

There really wasn't a whole lot to get. You're just ignoring his point for the case of semantics.

Unless of course that is you subscribe to the idea that the current Celtic side are the greatest ever in all of football considering they're about to do the "treble treble"?

next you'll say the League Cup, FA Cup, UEFA Cup is the most "treble" of them all? :pac:

Fitz*

yourdeadwright wrote: »

You don't get what I'm saying do you ?

If you don't count the carling cup in a treble why count it in a quadruple

For instance if you do "the double" does it have to be two certain trophies or is it only in a treble you have to get specific about the trophies

Whenever Mourinho won the league cup, he counted it as a double from what i can remember.

pjohnson

FitzShane wrote: »

Whenever Mourinho won the league cup, he counted it as a double from what i can remember.

Because a double refers to two, a treble refers to three, a quadruple refers to four etc.


Yourdeadwright originally mentioned City can do THE treble rather than A treble.

THE treble refers to the three elite tournaments, A treble just refers to three tournaments.

klose

If City win the FA Cup after the league and league Cup they're well withing their rights to call it a treble, because its exactly that, a treble of trophies.

citytillidie

pjohnson wrote: »

I thought THE treble was generally regarded as the three major elite competitions a club can enter. The league, the main national cup and Champions League. Be it Serie A, Coppa Italia and CL or La Liga, Copa Del Rey, CL or Premier League, FA Cup and CL and so on.

Naturally a club can win three trophies and count it as A treble but I thought THE treble referred specifically to the three mentioned above.

Kinda like in tennis a player can win 4 tournaments in a year and fair play to them but its not called a Grand Slam unless those 4 are specifically the major tournaments ie. Australian Open, Wimbledon, Roland Garros and American Open. (Upgraded to Golden Slam if they add an Olympic Gold medal that same year)

Most other European countries only have one cup competition. Just really leagues in England Scotland both leagues in Ireland and the French league have at least 2 cup competitions.

Grand slams also are different to the other ones for men at least as they have to win more sets per round to win.

citytillidie

FitzShane wrote: »

Whenever Mourinho won the league cup, he counted it as a double from what i can remember.

No he was going on about winning a treble as he also included the Community Shield

citytillidie

klose wrote: »

If City win the FA Cup after the league and league Cup they're well withing their rights to call it a treble, because its exactly that, a treble of trophies.

You could say the league cup is getting bigger looking at the recent finals

A domestic treble or a continental one
That's it really

A continental one is far superior

tayto lover

klose wrote: »

If City win the FA Cup after the league and league Cup they're well withing their rights to call it a treble, because its exactly that, a treble of trophies.

It should be referred to as the “English Treble” for clarity.

Lucas Hood

tayto lover wrote: »

It should be referred to as the “English Treble” for clarity.

Domestic treble maybe.

ERG89

Lucas Hood wrote:

Domestic treble maybe.

Either way it's still a good season anyway.

rob316

3 trophies is a treble, you can then debate what one is bigger. United's is obviously the biggest achievement.

United - League, FA Cup, Champions League
Liverpool - League, League Cup, European Cup
City - League (not yet), FA Cup (not yet), League Cup
Liverpool - Uefa Cup, FA Cup, League Cup

That's in order best to least.

City's will be a domestic treble. (hasnt been done before I think?)

IncognitoMan

Yeah it's called a domestic treble. All the available major trophies in your country.

Bayern won the domestic treble under Pep didn't they? I doubt their fans put that on the same level as the treble under Jupp Heynckes and its for good reason.

That said I think it's harder to do a domestic treble in England than Germany.

citytillidie

rob316 wrote: »

3 trophies is a treble, you can then debate what one is bigger. United's is obviously the biggest achievement.

United - League, FA Cup, Champions League
Liverpool - League, League Cup, European Cup
City - League (not yet), FA Cup (not yet), League Cup
Liverpool - Uefa Cup, FA Cup, League Cup

That's in order best to least.

City's will be a domestic treble. (hasnt been done before I think?)

Not been done in England but has been done in other countries.