General Premier League Thread 2018-19 Part 2

rob316

citytillidie wrote: »

Not been done in England but has been done in other countries.

Ya thats what I was wondering. Cheers

jpboard1

Jaysus lads, I’d say ye are great craic on a night out...

eh i dunno

jpboard1 wrote: »

Jaysus lads, I’d say ye are great craic on a night out...

Depends on what doubles or trebles they're drinking.

eh i dunno

eh i dunno wrote: »

Depends on what doubles or trebles they're drinking.

Guy:Incognito

The Double is the league and FA cup. Always was in the context of English clubs.
The Treble is the league, FA cup and league cup.

Arghus

Pedantic.

Adjective.

Excessively concerned with minor details or rules; overscrupulous.

Baggly

Arghus wrote: »

Pedantic.

Adjective.

Excessively concerned with minor details or rules; overscrupulous.

Eh, sorry there.....Arghus, is it? But....


Pedantic.

Adjective.

of or like a pedant.
"many of the essays are long, dense, and too pedantic to hold great appeal"
synonyms: overscrupulous, scrupulous, precise, exact, over-exacting, perfectionist, precisionist, punctilious, meticulous, fussy, fastidious, finical, finicky


:pac:

blueser

Arghus wrote: »

Pedantic.

Adjective.

Excessively concerned with minor details or rules; overscrupulous.

Agreed. People getting too hung up on words here. Can City win a treble. Obviously, we can. Hard to see winning three trophies in a single season (if we do it) as anything other than a "treble", really. Will it be as much of an achievement as utd's treble? Obviously, it isn't as it doesn't include the CL.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treble_(association_football)

Agent Coulson

Crazy to think Sarri will likely finish 3rd in the league and get Champions League football for next season, lose a league cup final on penalties to City and then reach a Europa League semi final at worst and be hated by Chelsea fans and more than likely get sacked after one season at the club.


Football is mad at times.

blueser

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Crazy to think Sarri will likely finish 3rd in the league and get Champions League football for next season, lose a league cup final on penalties to City and then reach a Europa League semi final at worst and be hated by Chelsea fans and more than likely get sacked after one season at the club.


Football is mad at times.

They sacked Di Matteo a few months after he led them to the CL.

RollieFingers

Four of the top six teams in England contesting the European finals, not many would have predicted that at the start of the season. Must be a sickener for United fans, neither of their teams made it!

Agent Coulson

4 of the top 6 reach the European finals.

Manchester with the two richest clubs miss out.

Vincent Vega

With the conclusion of the title upcoming, this surely has to go down as one of the strongest most exciting weeks of football in history.

The only thing I could think to improve it would be a relegation battle, but you can't have it all I guess... :pac:

Baggly

We were worried it would be too much excitement for you. Would affect your sleep.

thebaz

incredible achievement providing 4 teams to Europe finals - the Premiership has its knockers here , but it really has always provided such entertainment - Leicester '16/ Aguero in '12/ Anfield this week / Arsenal at Anfield '89 / United '99 last few minutes / Totenham last night . it certainly provides high level entertainment

Only 1 season but you would wonder if the money in the Premier league is starting to tell.

Has it every happened before when 4 teams from 1 league have made the Champions league and Europa cup final?

Inquitus

Deleted User wrote: »

Only 1 season but you would wonder if the money in the Premier league is starting to tell.

Has it every happened before when 4 teams from 1 league have made the Champions league and Europa cup final?

Nope, Spain have had 3 out of 4 at least a couple of times and won both, but never has one nation had all 4 finalists.

Inquitus

Inquitus wrote: »

Nope, Spain have had 3 out of 4 at least a couple of times and won both, but never has one nation had all 4 finalists.

Its pretty crazy, when you think, spurs chelsea and arsenal (united also but not involved) have been struggling in the league of late

Fromvert

The biggest reasons for the English teams making this sort of progress imo is

- Barcelona have lost Xavi and Iniesta and it's an older team, Real have lost Ronaldo and it is also an older team. They've come back to the chasing pack along with the English teams getting better due to points two and three.
- The managers at the top end of the PL are now some of/if not the best in the world with Pep raising the bar domestically to level it's never been at.
- Money

ERG89

Deleted User wrote:

Its pretty crazy, when you think, spurs chelsea and arsenal (united also but not involved) have been struggling in the league of late

It says a lot about the teams in Italy, Germany & Spain if anything. Most big club there aren't even at the level they were 12 months ago much less improved. Dortmund have improved but Bayern, Schalke, Atletico, Barca, Real, Sevilla, Juve, Napoli, Roma are either going backwards or need a LOT of work.
In fairness Arsenal beat a few ok teams in the Europa but the teams Chelsea had to beat other than Frankfurt were absolutely rubbish but you can only beat who you draw.

Wrongway1985

Mad also that over 8 semi final games, Loftus Cheek was the sole English goalscorer in them.

thebaz

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

Mad also that over 8 semi final games, Loftus Cheek was the sole English goalscorer in them.

the arrival of Cantona/Klinsman/ Gullit to the premiership had a huge impact in upping up the overall quality. Trailblaizers.

Wrongway1985

thebaz wrote: »

the arrival of Cantona/Klinsman/ Gullit to the premiership had a huge impact in upping up the overall quality. Trailblaizers.

I know not an English manager between the sides either

Ferguson,Wenger, Mourinho. Trailblazers.

8-10

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

I think back in 99 teams took the Fa cup more serious than the league cup.

And less serious than the Club World Championship

Drumpot

I wouldn’t be getting too carried away with the EPL. On Monday it looked very much unlikely either English team would make the final.

We all keep talking about how amazing it was that spurs and Liverpool got to the final, it wasn’t because they breezed past all on comers. Neither of those teams would win their second legs in that manner if they tried 100 times. It’s just one of those seasons.

If it happens for another 2 years then you can talk about it but considering how sh*t united have been and yet we are only a few points off 3rd I’d be very dubious of any claim about epl Superiority.

gimli2112

while what you say is true about the semi finals (although I believe they'd do it more than 2 times out of a hundred) I think there has been a decline in the European teams. The German sides were slaughtered by the UK teams this year, there's only Juve in Italy and RM / Barcelona are not the forces they were 3-4 years ago. That's not to say it won't reset but it needs resetting or the English sides will pull away.


A few years ago you could point to Spanish dominance and it wasn't just the big 2 but I think the difference here is the money is starting to have an effect.

5starpool

I know of arsenal win the EL there will be 5 teams in the CL next season. Grand.

What happens to EL spots though? Does England get 3 still or lose one in this instance? If they lose one I assume it's the worst one, so 2 teams will still go straight through to groups?

Dr. Bre

Can’t remember the last time no Spanish side involved in either the champs league or Europa final in same season. Wouldn’t be saying yet if we in for EPL dominance for years to come.

Harry Palmr

5starpool wrote: »

I know of arsenal win the EL there will be 5 teams in the CL next season. Grand.

What happens to EL spots though? Does England get 3 still or lose one in this instance? If they lose one I assume it's the worst one, so 2 teams will still go straight through to groups?

I think Man Utd and 7th place assuming City win and the third slot is put back in the system for that team somewhere who's league position will be "first on the list" to take Arsenal's place.

jpboard1

5starpool wrote: »

I know of arsenal win the EL there will be 5 teams in the CL next season. Grand.

What happens to EL spots though? Does England get 3 still or lose one in this instance? If they lose one I assume it's the worst one, so 2 teams will still go straight through to groups?

Got laughed at in here when I said the tide was turning a couple of years ago. This season is the proof.

gimli2112

jpboard1 wrote: »

Got laughed at in here when I said the tide was turning a couple of years ago. This season is the proof.

Ah here just about any opinion will be ridiculed in an online football forum.

MaceFace

https://twitter.com/BassTunedToRed/status/1126772259815710720?s=20

TitianGerm

MaceFace wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BassTunedToRed/status/1126772259815710720?s=20

Jesus United and Arsenal didn't even manage a goal a game against those sides!! That is a little surprising.

Baggly

TitianGerm wrote: »

Jesus United and Arsenal didn't even manage a goal a game against those sides!! That is a little surprising.

Its goal difference, not goals scored.

TitianGerm

Pter wrote: »

Its goal difference, not goals scored.

Thanks for that. Thought it sounded odd :pac:

Baggly

TitianGerm wrote: »

Thanks for that. Thought it sounded odd :pac:

It makes City & Pools numbers in that column all the more impressive, imo.

Drumpot

gimli2112 wrote: »

while what you say is true about the semi finals (although I believe they'd do it more than 2 times out of a hundred) I think there has been a decline in the European teams. The German sides were slaughtered by the UK teams this year, there's only Juve in Italy and RM / Barcelona are not the forces they were 3-4 years ago. That's not to say it won't reset but it needs resetting or the English sides will pull away.


A few years ago you could point to Spanish dominance and it wasn't just the big 2 but I think the difference here is the money is starting to have an effect.

That’s the thing, I don’t think Madrid or Barca are what they were a few years ago. PSG were sucker punched by United. Ajax shocked Madrid and Juventus and while I’m not trying to take anything away from them there is a chance they were underestimated by both these euro giants after not winning their home legs and looking unlikely in second legs.

I think what’s happened moreso is the EPL teams have remained strong and other euro giants have regressed.

yourdeadwright

Drumpot wrote: »

That’s the thing, I don’t think Madrid or Barca are what they were a few years ago. PSG were sucker punched by United. Ajax shocked Madrid and Juventus and while I’m not trying to take anything away from them there is a chance they were underestimated by both these euro giants after not winning their home legs and looking unlikely in second legs.

I think what’s happened moreso is the EPL teams have remained strong and other euro giants have regressed.

I don't think its money , teams in Spain still spend big,

I think the biggest factor was always Messi and Ronaldo

They are so good Madrid and Barcelona where basically playing with 12 men,

They glossed over the cracks,

Once Ronaldo left Madrid straight away teams are beating team who previously couldn't,

Messi in the last few year has lost his supporting cast first Xavi. Iniesta , Neymar and now the rest of the team is aging he can't do it on his own all the time , he did in the semi final first leg but needed help in the second

The English teams have all have really good mangers who have planned well and built up to where they are now,

Dr. Bre

Spurs only took 7 points from a possible 30 against top 6 sides. Pretty poor but still enough for top 4!

Wrongway1985

Drumpot wrote: »

I wouldn’t be getting too carried away with the EPL. On Monday it looked very much unlikely either English team would make the final.

We all keep talking about how amazing it was that spurs and Liverpool got to the final, it wasn’t because they breezed past all on comers. Neither of those teams would win their second legs in that manner if they tried 100 times. It’s just one of those seasons.

If it happens for another 2 years then you can talk about it but considering how sh*t united have been and yet we are only a few points off 3rd I’d be very dubious of any claim about epl Superiority.

Second year in a row Barca chucked away a 3 goal lead but beat Man United along the way. So on the flipside does that confirm La Liga is finished as European force?

I wouldn't be taking games against Barca and Ajax over 180 mins the best sides went through.What wasn't in their hands a win for Napoli against Red Star and a goal for Inter against PSV and both were out at the group stage, finer margins indeed. In fact Barca could have denied Spurs themselves but let them off the hook as they'd already qualified.

Drumpot

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I don't think its money , teams in Spain still spend big,

I think the biggest factor was always Messi and Ronaldo

They are so good Madrid and Barcelona where basically playing with 12 men,

They glossed over the cracks,

Once Ronaldo left Madrid straight away teams are beating team who previously couldn't,

Messi in the last few year has lost his supporting cast first Xavi. Iniesta , Neymar and now the rest of the team is aging he can't do it on his own all the time , he did in the semi final first leg but needed help in the second

The English teams have all have really good mangers who have planned well and built up to where they are now,

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

Second year in a row Barca chucked away a 3 goal lead but beat Man United along the way. So on the flipside does that confirm La Liga is finished as European force?

I wouldn't be taking games against Barca and Ajax over 180 mins the best sides went through.What wasn't in their hands a win for Napoli against Red Star and a goal for Inter against PSV and both were out at the group stage, finer margins indeed. In fact Barca could have denied Spurs themselves but let them off the hook as they'd already qualified.

Yeh I think Ronaldo and Messi certainly have papered over cracks. These guys are 50 goals a season players which is just not possible for any other team. It’s like they played with 12 men for nearly a decade.

I think we may see a shock and awe summer from the La Liga giants. I don’t think zidane comes back to Madrid without a massive warchest (500mil was what I imagined). I also think Barca clearly needs some new blood and will spend a few quid. I think both clubs have let their levels drop badly and need to do something drastic. Imagine Barca when Messi (and Suarez soon after) are gone!!!

TitianGerm

Drumpot wrote: »

Yeh I think Ronaldo and Messi certainly have papered over cracks. These guys are 50 goals a season players which is just not possible for any other team. It’s like they played with 12 men for nearly a decade.

I think we may see a shock and awe summer from the La Liga giants. I don’t think zidane comes back to Madrid without a massive warchest (500mil was what I imagined). I also think Barca clearly needs some new blood and will spend a few quid. I think both clubs have let their levels drop badly and need to do something drastic. Imagine Barca when Messi (and Suarez soon after) are gone!!!

Real could go for De Ligt, Pogba, Erkison and Hazard and still have change for a striker in 500m. Think they were linked to Jovic?

yourdeadwright

. Imagine Barca when Messi (and Suarez soon after) are gone!!![/QUOTE]

Madly Messi is young than Suarez , but I agree with your point ,

yourdeadwright

TitianGerm wrote: »

Real could go for De Ligt, Pogba, Erkison and Hazard and still have change for a striker in 500m. Think they were linked to Jovic?

Think Real already signed the CB off Porto,
De light will go Barca or Bayern ,
I think Hazard is a cert for Madrid

I think Madrid will also get Jovi who to me is the best young striker in Europe, he remind me so much of Aguero but with better link up play

I worry Barca will want another forward and our three will defo attract interest,

Fitz*

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I worry Barca will want another forward and our three will defo attract interest,

Barca have to pay £100m on top of market value for any Liverpool players for another 2 seasons. You're looking at roughly a £200m transfer fee for any of the front 3 now really.

citytillidie

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Think Real already signed the CB off Porto,
De light will go Barca or Bayern ,
I think Hazard is a cert for Madrid

I think Madrid will also get Jovi who to me is the best young striker in Europe, he remind me so much of Aguero but with better link up play

I worry Barca will want another forward and our three will defo attract interest,

Barca according to reports can't buy anyone from Liverpool for 3 years as part of the Countinho deal with Liverpool adding in a £100 million premium so to buy any off the front 3 they need to stump up £100 million 1st before even going near the fee for them which would be over £100 million on its own so that is at least £200 million and i just don't think Barca could afford that. Bobby would maybe have his head turned because he is from South America, but Barca would be priced out.

yourdeadwright

citytillidie wrote: »

Barca according to reports can't buy anyone from Liverpool for 3 years as part of the Countinho deal with Liverpool adding in a £100 million premium so to buy any off the front 3 they need to stump up £100 million 1st before even going near the fee for them which would be over £100 million on its own so that is at least £200 million and i just don't think Barca could afford that. Bobby would maybe have his head turned because he is from South America, but Barca would be priced out.

Strangely out of the 3 I think Bobby will stay the longest,

jpboard1

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Strangely out of the 3 I think Bobby will stay the longest,

Would be very surprised to see Bobby move while Klopp is there

Shanotheslayer

jpboard1 wrote: »

Got laughed at in here when I said the tide was turning a couple of years ago. This season is the proof.

1 season isn't proof. It's an anonmally.

It needs to be consistent.

As per your post you said a couple of years ago. So lets see

Champions League:

2015/2016 Madrid V Athletico
2016/2017 Madrid V Juve
2017/2018 Madrid V Liverpool

4x Spain
1xItalian
1xEngland

Europa League:
2015/2016 Sevilla V Liverpool
2016/2017 Unted V Ajax
2017/2018 Atletico V Marseille

2x Spain
2x England
1x France
1x Dutch

So a total of:

6 Spain
3 England
1 Italy
1 France
1 Dutch

As history has proven this is only the 10th time ever both finalists are from the same country in both competitions so that's extremely rare.

Including this season gives it 6 Spain 7 England btw. So no it's not proof at all it's an absolute freak thing that happend.

Had all things not gone absolute mad would you be saying it's proven?a

Edit: Just saw this was PL Thread, apologies for off topic reply.

dzer2

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

1 season isn't proof. It's an anonmally.

It needs to be consistent.

As per your post you said a couple of years ago. So lets see

Champions League:

2015/2016 Madrid V Athletico
2016/2017 Madrid V Juve
2017/2018 Madrid V Liverpool

4x Spain
1xItalian
1xEngland

Europa League:
2015/2016 Sevilla V Liverpool
2016/2017 Unted V Ajax
2017/2018 Atletico V Marseille

2x Spain
2x England
1x France

So a total of:

6 Spain
2 England
1 Italy
1 France

As history has proven this is only the 10th time ever both finalists are from the same country in both competitions so that's extremely rare.

Including this season gives it 6 Spain 6 England btw. So no it's not proof at all it's an absolute freak thing that happend.

Had all things not gone absolute mad would you be saying it's proven?a

Edit: Just saw this was PL Thread, apologies for off topic reply.

Go again Ajax are pissed off