Do you know any transgender people?

noubliezjamais

lawred2 wrote: »

take it you're not Irish?

No but I've lived here 15 years. Just confused by what do you mean that some were cool and some weren't. Do you mean the non sound ones were just ****ty people about their trans/non trans issues?

Dannyriver

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

There was quite a few but honestly I can understand why there isnt anymore when they get such hate and hostility.

The self loathing at being in the wrong skin has been shown to far outweigh the abuse from the imbeciles that can t mind their own business and insist they have the answers to something they've no possible way of understanding.

One eyed Jack

Berserker wrote: »

One of my OH's best friends is. Is female now, was male at birth. Dead sound. Says that she still believes that being transgender is an issue when it comes to finding work in her chosen field. Is well received and has had no major issues apart from that. Oh, guys run a mile when they find out she's trans. How would the single guys on here react if they met a girl and they found out she was trans, as a matter of interest?

It’s hardly surprising though that anyone will make the distinction for themselves between someone who is transgender and someone who isn’t? There aren’t that many people are interested in dating or having a relationship with someone who they view as being of the same sex as themselves, and even less people who are interested in or having a relationship with someone who they view as being of the same sex as themselves, but attempting to pass themselves off as the opposite sex.

Dannyriver

Dale Doback wrote: »

Not that I'm aware of.

Serious question...

...is a "transgender male" a female who transitioned to male or is it the other way around?

Google is your friend

Berserker

noubliezjamais wrote: »

It's the reason why transgender women often "pass" less than transgender men unless they transitioned before puberty.

Part of the problem with the question I posed above. She is ridiculously convincing, if you want to look at it that way and a very attractive lady, so guys don't think that she is trans. On revealing it to them, they are out the door, never to be seen again.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

It’s hardly surprising though that anyone will make the distinction for themselves between someone who is transgender and someone who isn’t? There aren’t that many people are interested in dating or having a relationship with someone who they view as being of the same sex as themselves, and even less people who are interested in or having a relationship with someone who they view as being of the same sex as themselves, but attempting to pass themselves off as the opposite sex.

She is not trying to pass herself off as the opposite sex though. She's transitioned; post-op. If she sat with you today, you wouldn't have a clue she's trans.

lawred2

noubliezjamais wrote: »

No but I've lived here 15 years. Just confused by what do you mean that some were cool and some weren't. Do you mean the non sound ones were just ****ty people about their trans/non trans issues?

oh that wasn't me that posted that

sbsquarepants

Berserker wrote: »

Oh, guys run a mile when they find out she's trans. How would the single guys on here react if they met a girl and they found out she was trans, as a matter of interest?

I'm not single, but if I was I don't think I'd have a problem with it.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck and all that.

I don't think what someone used to be is as important as what they now are now. My own missus for example used to be a toddler...she's not now though, so that's what's important.

Dannyriver

seamus wrote: »

I don't disagree that she was unpleasant. But every trans person is not obliged to be an ambassador or representative for their "cause", any more than every straight man is a representative for the other ~3 billion of us.

The abuse she received for being trans was unwarranted and allowed to go on for far too long. By all means give her hell for being a fvcking asshole, but the transphobic abuse is something else entirely.

Imagine a thread about Bill Cosby that was nothing but wall-to-wall racism. He's an asshole. But it doesn't make racism OK.

Exactly

Captain Flaps

SlowBlowin wrote: »

Hi


I also had to deal with my friends, who used to make my life even more difficult by making fun of my staff...

I have strong opinions on the transgender surge, but I rarely voice them as I find, in general, the trans community to be extremist, illogical, and pretty ruthless in their on line attacks.

Poor you. It must have been really hard to take the slagging from your obviously incredibly sound mates, you sound terribly oppressed. I'm glad you haven't allowed the experience to give you a chip on your shoulder.

pc7

bubblypop wrote: »

Yes, it's all a bit confusing for everyone. I don't even know how to talk about these things, to be sure I don't cause offence.

Have to agree with you on this, I have no problem with people being whatever makes them happy once it doesn't hurt other people (each to their own). But I do find some of the terminology confusing, I had to google what CIS meant recently, the whole gender fluid, binary/non binary terms too. Trans man/Trans woman (was a bit confused as to which way it was etc.). It's new to a lot of people (I'm in my 40's) but suppose its just the new norm.



I am opposed to young children being given seriously strong medication in terms of transitioning, it seems so damaging and dangerous. I was a real tom boy when I was young, but that changed after puberty. So I'm very wary of taking medications that could prevent that change. Anyhoo may be wandering off topic.



I don't know any transgender people (yet) but have a really good friend who likes to wear womens clothes (but doesn't want to be a woman).

Dannyriver

pc7 wrote: »

Have to agree with you on this, I have no problem with people being whatever makes them happy once it doesn't hurt other people (each to their own). But I do find some of the terminology confusing, I had to google what CIS meant recently, the whole gender fluid, binary/non binary terms too. Trans man/Trans woman (was a bit confused as to which way it was etc.). It's new to a lot of people (I'm in my 40's) but suppose its just the new norm.



I am opposed to young children being given seriously strong medication in terms of transitioning, it seems so damaging and dangerous. I was a real tom boy when I was young, but that changed after puberty. So I'm very wary of taking medications that could prevent that change. Anyhoo may be wandering off topic.



I don't know any transgender people (yet) but have a really good friend who likes to wear womens clothes (but doesn't want to be a woman).

That wasn't so difficult though I'm sure.

sbsquarepants

Dannyriver wrote: »

That wasn't so difficult though I'm sure.

You seem to have a bit of a chip on your shoulder there Danny!

pc7

Dannyriver wrote: »

That wasn't so difficult though I'm sure.

Googling it wasn't difficult - no, without googling and hearing all the terms was confusing when its not in your circle or space. Its new to a lot of people.

Wibbs

Berserker wrote: »

She is not trying to pass herself off as the opposite sex though. She's transitioned; post-op. If she sat with you today, you wouldn't have a clue she's trans.

That's pretty rare to be fair. And that's just on day to day meeting. If things go beyond that into the romantic things would become pretty evident.

Wibbs

Dannyriver wrote: »

That wasn't so difficult though I'm sure.

Yeah condescension is a great way to convince somebody. And that's coming from me, an arrogant prick at the best of times.

Dannyriver

pc7 wrote: »

Googling it wasn't difficult - no, without googling and hearing all the terms was confusing when its not in your circle or space. Its new to a lot of people.

I understand there has been huge social change in the last 30 years or so due in large part to world wide connectivity, at least you took the time to find things out. Many over 40's crib about being out of the loop and not understanding whilst holding an iphone in their hand. If they cared enough they d find out.

Dannyriver

Wibbs wrote: »

Yeah condescension is a great way to convince somebody. And that's coming from me, an arrogant prick at the best of times.

That you are

Dannyriver

sbsquarepants wrote: »

You seem to have a bit of a chip on your shoulder there Danny!

Not at all , I think I made my point very effectively and no offence was intended.

jimgoose

Dannyriver wrote: »

Not at all , I think I made my point very effectively and no offence was intended.

You didn't really have a point, pc7 did. I too find it a little strange to find myself labeled by a tiny minority of the population, but I take it largely in good spirits.

Oh and, I haven't to my knowledge met a transgender person. I'd like to, I'd say they'd have an interesting tale to tell. Aside from the screechy, preachy, militant variety, mind.

TCM

Wibbs wrote:

Yeah condescension is a great way to convince somebody. And that's coming from me, an arrogant prick at the best of times.

Answer me this, if a man transitions to a female, when playing golf what tee box does she play off.

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One eyed Jack wrote: »

It’s hardly surprising though that anyone will make the distinction for themselves between someone who is transgender and someone who isn’t? There aren’t that many people are interested in dating or having a relationship with someone who they view as being of the same sex as themselves, and even less people who are interested in or having a relationship with someone who they view as being of the same sex as themselves, but attempting to pass themselves off as the opposite sex.

Christ.

sbsquarepants

....... wrote: »

Christ.

Yea kinda, he did have long hair and wear a dress;)

Wibbs

Dannyriver wrote: »

I understand there has been huge social change in the last 30 years or so due in large part to world wide connectivity, at least you took the time to find things out. Many over 40's crib about being out of the loop and not understanding whilst holding an iphone in their hand. If they cared enough they d find out.

I'm "in the loop", cared enough to find out and found a lot of the "social change" is confused, hectoring and often demonstrably beyond daft.

TCM wrote: »

Answer me this, if a man transitions to a female, when playing golf what tee box does she play off.

Fcuk knows T, as I'm not a golfist, thank god.

suicide_circus

because someone believes something of themselves, does that mean others should also believe it?

Ush1

Berserker wrote: »

She is not trying to pass herself off as the opposite sex though. She's transitioned; post-op. If she sat with you today, you wouldn't have a clue she's trans.

Is that not gender?
My understanding is that you can't change biological sex.

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sbsquarepants wrote: »

Yea kinda, he did have long hair and wear a dress;)

So did William Wallace - and he wore make up too :P

suicide_circus

Ush1 wrote: »

Is that not gender?
My understanding is that you can't change biological sex.

thats why the term transsexual was replaced with transgender

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Ush1 wrote: »

Is that not gender?
My understanding is that you can't change biological sex.

You cannot change DNA.

Although most* people do not ask for DNA testing before engaging in a relationship so it seems odd that it is a measure used to beat fully transitioned people with.

*boards.ie posters generally not reflective of most normal people

Wibbs

suicide_circus wrote: »

because someone believes something of themselves, does that mean others should also believe it?

By default my first position comes down to good manners. Far more reliable than ideology or passion. Both of which can shift remarkably easily over time. So I'll treat people I meet with respect out of that and address them and their beliefs accordingly. If someone or a group demands respect just cos, I'll generally default to that first position, but will again generally think far less of them. Respect is earned not a given. If anybody wants to police my thoughts on a matter my default position tends to be switched to Off. If I give a damn what they think of course.

Ush1

....... wrote: »

You cannot change DNA.

Although most* people do not ask for DNA testing before engaging in a relationship so it seems odd that it is a measure used to beat fully transitioned people with.

*boards.ie posters generally not reflective of most normal people

Who's beating anybody with anything?