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How long before Irish reunification?

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    #2972
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,230 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    But being only a one way street, a very biased and bigoted one, failing to correct and restore the equivalent right of those born in the Republic to identify as citizens of the UK and take British citizenship. A tragedy and injustice.

    Is there a block on somebody taking British citizenship here, if entitled to it?


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    #2973
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    20-30 years
    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    But being only a one way street, a very biased and bigoted one, failing to correct and restore the equivalent right of those born in the Republic to identify as citizens of the UK and take British citizenship. A tragedy and injustice.

    Ah, you're back, TROL.


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    #2974
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Is there a block on somebody taking British citizenship here, if entitled to it?

    Depends where 'here' is. In the 6 no. In the 26 yes - that block being a lack of entitlement. And entitlement that is granted to those in the 6.


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    #2975
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,230 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    Depends where 'here' is. In the 6 no. In the 26 yes - that block being a lack of entitlement. And entitlement that is granted to those in the 6.

    :confused: Why or how - would we(the South) give an auto entitlement? That would be a matter for Britain. If you qualify for British citizenship from anywhere in the world you are entitled to it, as far as I know.


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    #2976
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    :confused: Why or how - would we(the South) give an auto entitlement? That would be a matter for Britain.

    Britain was party to the GFA. But this point that was not addressed in the GFA by the Republic or the UK. That option should have been restored as part of the agreement to all those born south of the border, as a all encompassing and equal conferring of the right to choose to all those on the island, rather than just a fix for those on the other side of it. Fewer people are affected than in the north, but it is no less important to them nonetheless.


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    #2977
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,230 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    Britain was party to the GFA. But this point that was not addressed in the GFA by the Republic or the UK. That option should have been restored as part of the agreement to all those born south of the border, as a all encompassing and equal conferring of the right to choose to all those on the island, rather than just a fix for those on the other side of it. Fewer people are affected than in the north, but it is no less important to them nonetheless.

    Link to the data there that shows us how big an issue this is, that would require an internationally binding agreement to fix.


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    #2978
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    10-15 years
    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    RobMc59 wrote: »
    That sounds like you fancy your chances squaring up to the Royal Navy-good luck with that.

    Well, they aren't coming to rescue NI so nobody will be squaring up.
    The Scottish regiments will have that job to help their brethren.


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    #2979
    trashcan
    Registered Users Posts: 4,035 ✭✭✭trashcan


    janfebmar wrote: »
    If you read the whole post and previous post you may understand. British can mean "from the UK".

    A person can be both Hawaiian and American too, even though Hawaii is thousands of km from America.

    Well, since Britain is part of the UK, of course it can. I've explained to you a couple of times why your Hawaiian analogy is nonsense too. For an analogy to work it has to be, you know, analogous. You really don't do comprehension very well, do you. :p


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    #2980
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    trashcan wrote: »
    Well, since Britain is part of the UK, of course it can. I've explained to you a couple of times why your Hawaiian analogy is nonsense too. :

    It is Northern Ireland we are talking about trashcan, do pay attention. People from there can call themselves both Irish and British, or indeed Irish or British , if they so wish.
    In the same way , people from Hawaii can call themselves Hawaiian and/or American. They can have an American passport, and if asked their nationality (on say a bird watching trip to Columbia lol) they can simply say "American" to differentiate themselves from perhaps Japanese or French or Russian people there.


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    #2981
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    10-15 years
    Deleted User wrote: »
    What a strange conclusion.

    I have`nt the slightest interest in the Irish Navy`s capabilities or their fishing protection vessels,why would you be interested in Britain`s capabilities?
    Now THAT is strange..


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    #2982
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Just reading the BBC earlier today and the entire fishing area of the post-Brexit British state has a paltry 12 - 12 - ships "to monitor a space three times the size of the surface area of the UK". 12! And still the British continue these delusional imperial ego trips like "defending" Islas Malvinas almost 13,000km away. Hubris leads to nemesis.

    The Royal Navy is still the 5th strongest in the world, after the USA, Russia, China and Japan. And they have more than 12 ships. I cannot be bothered to read the report, but maybe they mean 12 after making allowances for those r.n. ships elsewhere in the world , those undergoing maintenance / repairs etc.


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    #2983
    Jump_In_Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 3,806 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    10-15 years
    janfebmar wrote: »
    It is Northern Ireland we are talking about trashcan, do pay attention. People from there can call themselves both Irish and British, or indeed Irish or British , if they so wish.
    In the same way , people from Hawaii can call themselves Hawaiian and/or American. They can have an American passport, and if asked their nationality (on say a bird watching trip to Columbia lol) they can simply say "American" to differentiate themselves from perhaps Japanese or French or Russian people there.

    Is there a Hawaii in those other places?
    Are you saying that people from Hawaii can deny being Hawaiian because they are part of America?
    Do you see now how nonsensical that line of thought is?
    If you’re born somewhere and live there you are from there, so if you are born in Hawaii and live there, you cannot deny being Hawaiian.
    You can call yourself whatever you like, Hawaiian/Pacific Islander/American/citizen of the US of A,
    But you cannot tell people yeah I was born there and live there, and my family have been there for generations but I refuse to be called Hawaiian.
    See how utterly ridiculous that is?


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    #2984
    jm08
    Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    20-30 years
    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    Britain was party to the GFA. But this point that was not addressed in the GFA by the Republic or the UK. That option should have been restored as part of the agreement to all those born south of the border, as a all encompassing and equal conferring of the right to choose to all those on the island, rather than just a fix for those on the other side of it. Fewer people are affected than in the north, but it is no less important to them nonetheless.


    Anyone who was born before 1949 when Ireland became a republic is entitled to British citizenhship. Presumably if they retained their British identity, their children would be entitled to be British citizens.


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    #2985
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Jump_In_Jack wrote: »
    Is there a Hawaii in those other places?
    Are you saying that people from Hawaii can deny being Hawaiian because they are part of America?
    Why would people from Hawaii deny being Hawaiian? Any more than people from California being Californian, people from N. Ireland being Northern Irish etc.

    Jump_In_Jack wrote: »
    Do you see now how nonsensical that line of thought is?

    I can see how nonsensical your line of thought is. People from Hawaii, if asked what type of passport they have, can say in one word: American. People from N. Ireland can say they have a British or an Irish passport.

    Jump_In_Jack wrote: »
    If you’re born somewhere and live there you are from there, so if you are born in Hawaii and live there, you cannot deny being Hawaiian.

    Nobody is denying anyone their locality where they came from. Why would anyone want to do that? Hawaiian, Californian, Floridian, Texan etc can all call themselves American, be in the American army etc. People from Wales,England, Scotland or Northern Ireland can all call themselves British, be in the British army etc.



    Jump_In_Jack wrote: »
    You can call yourself whatever you like, Hawaiian/Pacific Islander/American/citizen of the US of A,

    But you cannot tell people yeah I was born there and live there, and my family have been there for generations but I refuse to be called Hawaiian.

    You can call yourself whatever you want. If you are born and bred in Hawaii and pay your taxes there, sorry to say you are also an American, like it or not.


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    #2986
    Jump_In_Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 3,806 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    10-15 years
    Northern Irish people = people from a northern part of Ireland.
    People from any part of Ireland are called Irish.

    If you wanted to make a sensical comparison it would be North Koreans are from Korea. They are Korean.

    People from Hawaii are Hawaiian. They are also American citizens.


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    #2987
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Jump_In_Jack wrote: »
    Northern Irish people = people from a northern part of Ireland.

    Stop right there. They (people from Northern Ireland) are from the UK jurisdiction so have a right to call themselves (in one word) " British" if they so want to.


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    #2988
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,230 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Stop right there. They (people from Northern Ireland) are from the UK jurisdiction so have a right to call themselves (in one word) " British" if they so want to.

    Who says they can't?


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    #2989
    Jump_In_Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 3,806 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    10-15 years
    janfebmar wrote: »
    Stop right there. They (people from Northern Ireland) are from the UK jurisdiction so have a right to call themselves (in one word) " British" if they so want to.

    The fact you are determined to dodge while doing your best to obfuscate the issue is that all people from the partitioned part of Ireland are still undeniably Irish.
    Whether they call themselves British or not is their prerogative.
    Others can call them either Irish or British depending on the context.


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    #2990
    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,674 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Ulster Says No. It will never happen
    Will they loose that right if NI decide to merge with the Republic?

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #2991
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,230 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Feisar wrote: »
    Will they loose that right if NI decide to merge with the Republic?

    To identify as British? No, absolutely not. Nobody is suggesting that.


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    #2992
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Who says they can't?

    Jump in Jack for example said "People from any part of Ireland are called Irish.".

    He did not say they can be British or Irish.


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    #2993
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    To identify as British? No, absolutely not. Nobody is suggesting that.
    They will be told they are Irish though, and the likes of Francie will not allow them fly British flags, have bonfires or parade in their traditional parades. Their British street names and statues will be taken down and replaced with errrrrr more patriotic ones, like of Bobby Sands. Will Irish language be a requirement for university admission and public service jobs in NI too?


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    #2994
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,230 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    janfebmar wrote: »
    They will be told they are Irish though, and the likes of Francie will not allow them fly British flags, have bonfires or parade in their traditional parades. Their British street names and statues will be taken down and replaced with errrrrr more patriotic ones, like of Bobby Sands. Will Irish language be a requirement for university admission and public service jobs in NI too?

    More lies and nonsense from jan. We are getting used to this strategy now.

    Jan likes to invent meanings for things a poster says, then turn up later on to claim that her invented meanings are what the poster actually said.

    A liar and disingenuous poster of Boards legend at this stage.


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    #2995
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,230 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Jump in Jack for example said "People from any part of Ireland are called Irish.".

    He did not say they can be British or Irish.

    I will let him defend that particular misinterpretation of his very clear post on your Hawaiian nonsense himself.


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    #2996
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    More lies and nonsense from jan. .

    So would you, for example Francie, in the case of a United Ireland allow them to fly British flags, have bonfires or parade in their traditional parades? Have you changed your mind on those?


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    #2997
    Jump_In_Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 3,806 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    10-15 years
    janfebmar wrote: »
    Jump in Jack for example said "People from any part of Ireland are called Irish.".

    He did not say they can be British or Irish.

    To repeat,

    Whether they call themselves British or not is their prerogative.
    Others can call them either Irish or British depending on the context.


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    #2998
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Jump_In_Jack wrote: »
    To repeat,

    Whether they call themselves British or not is their prerogative.
    Others can call them either Irish or British depending on the context.

    Here is your post. They are Irish, according to you.:
    Jump_In_Jack wrote: »
    Northern Irish people = people from a northern part of Ireland.
    People from any part of Ireland are called Irish.

    If you wanted to make a sensical comparison it would be North Koreans are from Korea. They are Korean.

    People from Hawaii are Hawaiian. They are also American citizens.


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    #2999
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,230 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    janfebmar wrote: »
    So would you, for example Francie, in the case of a United Ireland allow them to fly British flags, have bonfires or parade in their traditional parades? Have you changed your mind on those?

    As long as they were not doing it to taunt and provoke and marched where they were wanted. I have often recommended a moratorium on parades and flag display.

    No to bonfires, personally, for environmental and toxicity reasons. I agree with our laws around that. And certainly no, to burning effigies and flags and photos of recently dead people. That is anathema to anybody who wants to live in a normal inclusive society.


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    #3000
    Jump_In_Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 3,806 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    10-15 years
    janfebmar wrote: »
    Stop right there. They (people from Northern Ireland) are from the UK jurisdiction so have a right to call themselves (in one word) " British" if they so want to.

    The fact you are determined to dodge while doing your best to obfuscate the issue is that all people from the partitioned part of Ireland are still undeniably Irish.
    Whether they call themselves British or not is their prerogative.
    Others can call them either Irish or British depending on the context.


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    #3001
    Imreoir2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    10-15 years
    janfebmar wrote: »
    Will Irish language be a requirement for university admission and public service jobs in NI too?

    Universities are independant institutions and set their own entry requirements. The Irish language requirement applied in some Irish universities is not set by the state and actually predates the foundation of the state. In a UI I can only expect that universities will still have the freedom to choose their own entry requirements, it is not something that will be decided by government.

    As for public servce jobs, Irish is not a requirement for all public service jobs in the Republic today and I am sure that would continue in a UI. As such Irish would continue to be a requirement for only a relativly small number of jobs in the public service. This is already true of the public service in NI, so no major changes there. Given that Irish is the first official language of the Republic and that this confers certain language rights on Irish citizens, such as the right to use Irish in the courts, residents of NI will have their language rights enhanced in a UI. For those that speak Irish and would choose to excerise their right to use it, this I am sure will be welcome. For those that do not speak Irish, they can simply continue not using Irish as before.


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