How long before Irish reunification?

BonnieSituation

20-30 years

bubblypop wrote: »

This is not political.
This is a public health issue.
It's a temporary measure & it worked when it was an animal disease, surely people are more important than animals!

Exactly. So ask Unionists why they don't want an all island approach?

BonnieSituation

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Exactly. So ask Unionists why they don't want an all island approach?

I don't care what they want. If there's an all Ireland approach, all the better.
But, right now, there is not.
So we need to do what is best for us, right now.
There's no time for rubbish politics.
Didn't happen when it was an animal disease. This is too important.

BonnieSituation

20-30 years

bubblypop wrote: »

I don't care what they want. If there's an all Ireland approach, all the better.
But, right now, there is not.
So we need to do what is best for us, right now.
There's no time for rubbish politics.
Didn't happen when it was an animal disease. This is too important.

There is not an all island approach because of unionists.

droidman123

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Exactly. So ask Unionists why they don't want an all island approach?

The dup would rather risk lives than be seen to be rowing in with the irish government.i hope the people they are representing can see that

BonnieSituation

BonnieSituation wrote: »

There is not an all island approach because of unionists.

I don't care.
We need to act now, for the Republic. Who cares who wants or doesn't want what!

FrancieBrady

bubblypop wrote: »

I don't care.
We need to act now, for the Republic. Who cares who wants or doesn't want what!

Why are you telling us? Contact your local FG TD

jm08

20-30 years

bubblypop wrote: »

This is not political.
This is a public health issue.
It's a temporary measure & it worked when it was an animal disease, surely people are more important than animals!

4,000 Defence Force personnel used that time to seal the border. The British Army stayed away (or just patrolled using helicopters).

Junkyard Tom

30-40 years

bubblypop wrote: »

So we need to do what is best for us

Your idea of 'us' disregards how utterly invisible the no-border is. People cross the no-border for work/school/family every day.

Imagine trying to run a border between Munster and Leinster and you'd get better understanding of what 'us' means to people you seek to separate.

It will not be tolerated.

jm08

20-30 years

downcow wrote: »

A bit of a riddle but I think I see two questions in it.
1. “that unionists do not want to accommodate the Irish half of the population”
Personally I think it is the very interaction of the two main communities here that makes us unique. Culturally we have a huge amount in common over roi or gb. I absolutely want my nationalist ni friends and neighbours to be partners in our future together.

Unionists just want a fight. I think you will find that culturally NI nationalists are far more in tune with the ROI than you think. They gravitate here to college and then of course the good old GAA keeps ties very close. You just want nationalists as a sparring partner and someone you can lord it over.



2. “are you not concerned about being the minority in this new independent state?”

I never expect ni to be truly independent, nor do I desire it to be. But would that be more concerning than being an even smaller minority in the 32 counties - no. I think we can all see that.
Tbh I believe the days of nationalist and unionists mass slaughtering each other based on sectarianism are over - minor stuff may go on.
I am not afraid of living in roi because the bad people might get me. I just love my country and don’t want to see it gobbled up by my neighbouring nation. Is that so unusual. Prob same as you would feel if gb wanted to take over roi I guess

If ethnic cleansing occurred in the past, I'd be pretty damn sure that there is no way you would want to become an independent state with them (though you now seem to be suggesting that you would still be dependent on the UK). I suspect your loyalty is really to the half-crown!

downcow

jm08 wrote: »

Unionists just want a fight. I think you will find that culturally NI nationalists are far more in tune with the ROI than you think. They gravitate here to college and then of course the good old GAA keeps ties very close. You just want nationalists as a sparring partner and someone you can lord it over.



2. “are you not concerned about being the minority in this new independent state?”




If ethnic cleansing occurred in the past, I'd be pretty damn sure that there is no way you would want to become an independent state with them (though you now seem to be suggesting that you would still be dependent on the UK). I suspect your loyalty is really to the half-crown!

I think my answers were very clear.
I do agree with you that there are strong links and relationships across the border between ni nationalists and roi population. That is still different to the relationships to each other in ni living side by side.

I have no idea what you are saying in last part of your reply. I was saying that I can’t ever see ni truly independent but if it was I would not fear the nationalist community but rather grieve the loss of my country and work to reestablish it. And yes I would rather be a minority in ni than be an even smaller minority in a UI

downcow

Bonnie. Now that you seem happy that I have answered you question. Here’s the return one I have been seeking answers for a while on but no one will answer.

Do you agree the ira regularly targeted Protestants simply because of their community background. (So setting aside their many military targets, their many assassinations of suspected informers, and their mistakes) Do you accept that when they put off big bombs in town centres they inevitably hit perceived Protestant town centres When they put bombs in nationalist towns they carefully selected Protestant homes and business for attack. When they selected civilians for murder eg kingsmill it was inevitably Protestant civilians. When they attacked cultural events, they were always unionist family events?
Do you believe me when I point out that out of 100s of ira attacks in my small town, a minority were against the British military and 100% of the rest were against Protestant homes, businesses and people?

This is an important acknowledgment to my people moving forward which sf could make, but you could start now by answering.

Junkyard Tom

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Your idea of 'us' disregards how utterly invisible the no-border is. People cross the no-border for work/school/family every day.

Imagine trying to run a border between Munster and Leinster and you'd get better understanding of what 'us' means to people you seek to separate.

It will not be tolerated.

I'm well aware of these border thanks, my hometown is a few miles from it. My mother spent years working in the north. I socialised in my nearest big town up there. Many of my friends went to college there. I cross the border regularly.
I know how it works & I know how it worked when there was an animal disease.

You people on here are so obsessed with your politics, getting one over on each other, blaming others for what you perceive to be issues.
You can't see the bigger picture. You're not interested in public health.

It's a bit sad if I'm honest.

Oh Frances, do you only allow people you want to post here? Sorry, didn't realise you were the boss of the thread.

Runaways

10-15 years

droidman123 wrote: »

The dup would rather risk lives than be seen to be rowing in with the irish government.i hope the people they are representing can see that

This is exactly it. And it will be their undoing especially among their base.

downcow

I guess this will dismay many of you. But it is what it is.
I am watching the economic disaster unfold and I desperately wish Europe had followed uk decisions. Uk is struggling as the panic and but covering is infectious leading to significant closures in NI & gb.
So we are on a similar downward spiral economically.

The uk believed they could hold this to 20,000 deaths. Even if that had been quadrupled, that would be 80,000. That’s 1 in every 1,000 people (and most old and already ill). So in my town of 2,000 people, two people with serious underlying issues would have died. This year 800,000 people will die in uk from other causes, that’s 20 in my town.

Please don’t launch another attack on me or my politics. I am trying to be realistic. I will be surprised if 2 people in my town don’t die because of the dire economic situation we are heading for. Do you have any idea what this is going to do to funding for health service, homeless, addictions, etc for the next decade plus.

We should have stayed open and spent our resources on cocooning the elderly and vulnerable. We are doing them no favours with our current approach

FrancieBrady

downcow wrote: »

I guess this will dismay many of you. But it is what it is.
I am watching the economic disaster unfold and I desperately wish Europe had followed uk decisions. Uk is struggling as the panic and but covering is infectious leading to significant closures in NI & gb.
So we are on a similar downward spiral economically.

The uk believed they could hold this to 20,000 deaths. Even if that had been quadrupled, that would be 80,000. That’s 1 in every 1,000 people (and most old and already ill). So in my town of 2,000 people, two people with serious underlying issues would have died. This year 800,000 people will die in uk from other causes, that’s 20 in my town.

Please don’t launch another attack on me or my politics. I am trying to be realistic. I will be surprised if 2 people in my town don’t die because of the dire economic situation we are heading for. Do you have any idea what this is going to do to funding for health service, homeless, addictions, etc for the next decade plus.

We should have stayed open and spent our resources on cocooning the elderly and vulnerable. We are doing them no favours with our current approach

'Followed', UK decisions?

You do realise Europe had to make decisions long before the UK?

And that the UK is dithering on it's policy/strategy?

BonnieSituation

20-30 years

downcow wrote: »

I guess this will dismay many of you. But it is what it is.
I am watching the economic disaster unfold and I desperately wish Europe had followed uk decisions. Uk is struggling as the panic and but covering is infectious leading to significant closures in NI & gb.
So we are on a similar downward spiral economically.

The uk believed they could hold this to 20,000 deaths. Even if that had been quadrupled, that would be 80,000. That’s 1 in every 1,000 people (and most old and already ill). So in my town of 2,000 people, two people with serious underlying issues would have died. This year 800,000 people will die in uk from other causes, that’s 20 in my town.

Please don’t launch another attack on me or my politics. I am trying to be realistic. I will be surprised if 2 people in my town don’t die because of the dire economic situation we are heading for. Do you have any idea what this is going to do to funding for health service, homeless, addictions, etc for the next decade plus.

We should have stayed open and spent our resources on cocooning the elderly and vulnerable. We are doing them no favours with our current approach

What exactly do you wish Europe had followed?

Runaways

10-15 years

Followed the UK? Into chaos?

They’re STILL not doing community testing!

‘Hundreds of thousands of deaths’

https://twitter.com/billneelynbc/status/1239669547331878915?s=21

Runaways

10-15 years

They just played Leo’s speech in full on radio ulster. I’d say that’s gonna be a comfort to a great many across all communities. And I’m sure send some into meltdown.

downcow

BonnieSituation wrote: »

What exactly do you wish Europe had followed?

Not closing everything down and focus on looking after old and vunerable

BonnieSituation

20-30 years

downcow wrote: »

Not closing everything down and focus on looking after old and vunerable

What? How have the shut downs affected our old and vulnerable?

What do you think we're doing with the old and vulnerable?

We're not lining them up to get infected like the UK!

Do you even know what you're railing against anymore?

I'd suggest you educate yourself about what's going on in the rest of Ireland.

How's the schools and the packed cafes this morning?

downcow

downcow wrote: »

Bonnie. Now that you seem happy that I have answered you question. Here’s the return one I have been seeking answers for a while on but no one will answer.

Do you agree the ira regularly targeted Protestants simply because of their community background. (So setting aside their many military targets, their many assassinations of suspected informers, and their mistakes) Do you accept that when they put off big bombs in town centres they inevitably hit perceived Protestant town centres When they put bombs in nationalist towns they carefully selected Protestant homes and business for attack. When they selected civilians for murder eg kingsmill it was inevitably Protestant civilians. When they attacked cultural events, they were always unionist family events?
Do you believe me when I point out that out of 100s of ira attacks in my small town, a minority were against the British military and 100% of the rest were against Protestant homes, businesses and people?

This is an important acknowledgment to my people moving forward which sf could make, but you could start now by answering.

Bonnie. Do I assume you are not keeping your part of the deal and answering my question

BonnieSituation

20-30 years

downcow wrote: »

Bonnie. Do I assume you are not keeping your part of the deal and answering my question

There was a deal I'm reneging on?

Honestly, I read through your post last night with a quick glance. Failed to see the point you were after and decided I would answer it in due course when other pressing matters were attended to and allowed me. Steady old boy. You'll get your answer.

You've confused a lot of us this morning wiith your previous post. Perhaps clarification might be needed on your side.

BonnieSituation

20-30 years

downcow wrote: »

I guess this will dismay many of you. But it is what it is.
I am watching the economic disaster unfold and I desperately wish Europe had followed uk decisions. Uk is struggling as the panic and but covering is infectious leading to significant closures in NI & gb.
So we are on a similar downward spiral economically.

The uk believed they could hold this to 20,000 deaths. Even if that had been quadrupled, that would be 80,000. That’s 1 in every 1,000 people (and most old and already ill). So in my town of 2,000 people, two people with serious underlying issues would have died. This year 800,000 people will die in uk from other causes, that’s 20 in my town.

Please don’t launch another attack on me or my politics. I am trying to be realistic. I will be surprised if 2 people in my town don’t die because of the dire economic situation we are heading for. Do you have any idea what this is going to do to funding for health service, homeless, addictions, etc for the next decade plus.

We should have stayed open and spent our resources on cocooning the elderly and vulnerable. We are doing them no favours with our current approach

Wow, schools in the north are closing immediately for pupils. Following the lead of Wales and Scotland.

What a great, original and fundamentally British idea!

I mean, that's quite a great idea right?

Junkyard Tom

30-40 years

bubblypop wrote: »

I'm well aware of these border thanks, my hometown is a few miles from it. My mother spent years working in the north. I socialised in my nearest big town up there. Many of my friends went to college there. I cross the border regularly.
I know how it works & I know how it worked when there was an animal disease.

Yet you come out with trite unworkable 'advice/threats' like 'close the border'.

Bizarre, truly bizarre.

downcow

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Wow, schools in the north are closing immediately for pupils. Following the lead of Wales and Scotland.

What a great, original and fundamentally British idea!

I mean, that's quite a great idea right?

They are staying open for key workers children. A very sensible compromise

Junkyard Tom

30-40 years

downcow wrote: »

The uk believed they could hold this to 20,000 deaths. Even if that had been quadrupled, that would be 80,000. That’s 1 in every 1,000 people (and most old and already ill). So in my town of 2,000 people, two people with serious underlying issues would have died. This year 800,000 people will die in uk from other causes, that’s 20 in my town.

Please don’t launch another attack on me or my politics. I am trying to be realistic. I will be surprised if 2 people in my town don’t die because of the dire economic situation we are heading for. Do you have any idea what this is going to do to funding for health service, homeless, addictions, etc for the next decade plus.

We should have stayed open and spent our resources on cocooning the elderly and vulnerable. We are doing them no favours with our current approach

You really do not have a clue what you're talking about. You are completely blinded by your politics.

BonnieSituation

20-30 years

downcow wrote: »

They are staying open for key workers children. A very sensible compromise

So it's so fundamentally different and therefore a great British idea.

FrancieBrady

downcow wrote: »

They are staying open for key workers children. A very sensible compromise

Compromise?

It's a complete collapse of a Britishcentric Unionist position.

Even this AM the DUP Education Minister was adamant that they would not close them.

RobMc59

10-15 years

BonnieSituation wrote: »

So it's so fundamentally different and therefore a great British idea.

Catch up bonnie,they're doing the same thing in Holland.

BonnieSituation

20-30 years

RobMc59 wrote: »

Catch up bonnie,they're doing the same thing in Holland.

Closing the schools?

Uh oh, it looks like Rob has jumped the gun and hasn't read the full post he's responding to again.