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How long before Irish reunification?
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10-15 years"RobMc59 wrote:"i want it from you but you've got to pay ".
Current brexiteers position in a nutshell
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Stop moaning ffs wrote: »‘37% > 63%!’
Forgot that little nugget from our resident fantasy author
Awww - he learned how to read.
I'm so proud of you - you're a big boy now :pac:
Let me know if you need your hand held during any other bits.0 -
10-15 yearsFrancieBrady wrote: »37% say they would not want to pay extra tax Facehugger. 37 from 100 leaves 63% in my calculations. 37% of those, are willing to pay for it and 26% still have to make up their minds.
Less of the sensationalist reading of your poll.
Are you stating here that you believe there are no deductions to be made from whatever the subvention is???
Just clear that up for us please? Because I wonder how many of the 37% not willing to pay a tax also believe this.
How do you propose paying for a UI francie?-i doubt you'd want any "filthy Inngglish money"!:)0 -
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I'm done with Facehugger's poll that reputedly showed a massive majority that wouldn't be willing to pay increased tax.
Not a bit of wonder it took him/her so long to post the data they were referencing.
Here is an interesting take from what Slugger O'Toole says is a 'Unionist friendly point of view. One thing is certain, the debate among the rational people will be fascinating.“The Republic of Ireland sits atop the European growth charts, while Northern Ireland is closer to the bottom.” EY’s Economic Eye, Winter 2017
Ten Point Plan
The UK government agrees to continue its subvention to Northern Ireland (currently operating through the Barnett formula) but on an annually tapering basis, with the UK subvention removed entirely within a negotiated period beyond reunification. UK support might be needed until 2050, supporting pension liabilities for civil servants, etc, under an arrangement similar to that with EU withdrawal. Over the long term this would produce a significant fiscal gain for the UK, which is likely to be welcomed by taxpayers in GB. For Northern Ireland, the subsidy would be replaced by higher tax revenues as Northern Ireland benefits from the economic impact of reunification and the Republic’s economic policies. Sovereignty might also transfer on a gradual basis. Stormont might continue to operate as a devolved assembly, but of Ireland rather than of the UK. There could also be a graduated move towards a truly all-island economy, with both sterling and the euro accepted by businesses during the transition process. Substantial efforts must be made to accommodate the fears and concerns of those who have a British or Ulster Scots identity throughout the island of Ireland in order that a successful unified economy is achieved.
Increased spending on capital projects is required to bring infrastructure up to modern European standards. The infrastructure deficit that was carried forward from the period of direct rule needs to be addressed, which means that the UK government has an obligation to help meet the cost of correcting the infrastructure deficit. A UK government investment of £10bn would assist significantly with this, towards the cost of roads, health reform, education facilities and water and sewage systems. A bridge or tunnel connection with Scotland could provide reassurance to unionists that economic, social and political connections with Great Britain could actually be strengthened through new arrangements.
A reduction in the number of public sector workers in Northern Ireland to the same level as the Republic would assist in making Northern Ireland financially self-sufficient. This would take place on a gradual basis to reduce the impact on individuals and on the wider economy. Ideally the impact would be spread over several years, achieved as much as possible by natural wastage. All redundancy, pension and restructuring costs would be paid for by UK. This restructuring would assist in boosting Northern Ireland productivity.
The European Union would be asked to assist in the reunification of Ireland, which would address the problems caused by the Irish border post-Brexit. A new 32 county administration should be empowered to borrow cheaply to invest in the economy and all-island infrastructure. The European Investment Bank would play a key role in this.
A political agreement on a new all island basis, inside the EU, would attract increased EU funding through Interreg, including financial assistance in restructuring Northern Ireland’s infrastructure to improve its competitive position and integrated all-island economy.
IDA Ireland would promote all of the island on the world stage. This would produce benefits for all. Given its track record in attracting FDI worldwide it should prove to be a major player in turning the Northern Ireland economy into a world class competitor with the added benefit for the Republic that the two agencies would no longer be in competition but would be working together to produce economic growth.
Improved direct links between education and industry in Northern Ireland as per the Republic would lead to a more competitive market-oriented economy, over time producing improvements in living and working environments. While Northern Ireland needs to learn from the Republic with regards to elements of its education and skills system, the Republic needs to learn from Northern Ireland in terms of the cost and efficiency of its health system. Neither system is adequate at present. The Bengoa reforms need to be implemented in Northern Ireland as at present it has too many general hospitals, without sufficient specialist expertise.
A harmonised corporation tax would make all the island more attractive to foreign direct investment and lead to domestic companies throughout the island being more competitive, thus leading to economic growth for all.
As part of the post-Brexit response from the European Union, a special case should be presented to the European Union for assistance with the cost and social pressures involved with Irish reunification. This might be structured in ways that learn from the Marshall Plan and the experience of German reunification.
A single and integrated Ireland would create economies of scale and a more competitive economy. A single Ireland would be a world leader in the fields of research and development (eg Trinity College, UCD and Queen’s, all in the same country), higher education, pharmaceuticals and new technologies.
http://www.paulgosling.net/2018/06/a-new-union-a-new-society-ireland-2050/0 -
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MontgomeryClift wrote: »With the present rate of cultural enrichment, this reunification question won't be relevant. The real struggle will be keeping the Republic from disintegration.
At this stage, I have a lot of sympathy with people in the North. Do they remain with a large, degenerate, disintegrating GloboHomo nation that has debt it can never repay, or join with a small, degenerate, servile GloboHomo nation that has debt it can never repay? It's a tough one.
You speak as if the north is a shiny beacon of fiscal rectitude and debt free economic success. 0 -
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