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How long before Irish reunification?

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    #632
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    10-15 years
    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Of course not. Do you see why some of us want our country whole? You know the occupied, U.K. portion of Ireland is only part of the Irish province of Ulster?
    In the case of Scottish independence all you'd be losing is Westminster's authority over the Scots, a separate country.

    Thing is Matt,Ireland was part of the UK and split away-it wasn't an occupied country as such.


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    #633
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    10-15 years
    Oh god


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    #634
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,179 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    Thing is Matt,Ireland was part of the UK and split away-it wasn't an occupied country as such.

    This is an Irish Ascendancy class point of view Rob, please revise.


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    #635
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    10-15 years
    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    You look after the UK then Rob.

    Do you really have any right to look down your nose at Irish people who wish to look after their own people, north and south?

    I`m not looking down my nose at anyone,having a different opinion or point of view is`nt looking down your nose.


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    #636
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    10-15 years
    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    This is an Irish Ascendancy class point of view Rob, please revise.

    Little history lesson for you francie,Matt and ffs
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/46480953


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    #637
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    10-15 years
    RobMc59 wrote: »
    Little history lesson for you francie,Matt and ffs
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/46480953


    Dig up


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    #638
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    10-15 years
    RobMc59 wrote: »
    Thing is Matt,Ireland was part of the UK and split away-it wasn't an occupied country as such.

    Do you recall the democratic referendum under which we joined the UK?
    We split nothing, the invader/occupiers left, retaining six counties of the Irish province of Ulster on the island of Ireland.


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    #639
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    10-15 years
    RobMc59 wrote: »
    Little history lesson for you francie,Matt and ffs
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/46480953

    The british hung people in my school yard. I'm familiar with the history.


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    #640
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    10-15 years
    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    The british hung people in my school yard. I'm familiar with the history.

    Not knowing anything about it I couldn't comment,where and when did that happen?


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    #641
    facehugger99
    Registered Users Posts: 7,324 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Yes the quality of debate is poor. You're just looking desperate now.

    Well, your opinion on matters unification can safely be dismissed as an irrelevance.

    You've already admitted that there is no price you aren't willing to pay. The vast majority of the electorate don't share this opinion.

    €205 billion in the red and the Shinnerbots and their clappy-seals want to take on a financial basket-case

    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2019/0704/1060035-national-debt/

    Not happening lads.

    Not happening.


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    #642
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,179 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    I`m not looking down my nose at anyone,having a different opinion or point of view is`nt looking down your nose.

    Yes you are. Comments like this
    In the land of unicorns and soft fluffy things the cost of a UI is an unimportant distraction but unfortunately in reality the piper must be paid-as soon as the fact that the tax payers will have to shoulder the burden the airy-fairy ideals will fly out of the window.

    while reserving the right to safeguard your own Union because you have
    a mixture of sentiment and patriotism

    is looking down your nose. The Irish have every right to make decisions based on sentiment and patriotism too.
    RobMc59 wrote: »
    Little history lesson for you francie,Matt and ffs
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/46480953

    What is the 'lesson' there? Ireland was a part of the UK because the Irish Ascendancy class decided to be. Fact.


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    #643
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,179 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Well, your opinion on matters unification can safely be dismissed as an irrelevance.

    You've already admitted that there is no price you aren't willing to pay. The vast majority of the electorate don't share this opinion.

    €205 billion in the red and the Shinnerbots and their clappy-seals want to take on a financial basket-case

    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2019/0704/1060035-national-debt/

    Not happening lads.

    Not happening.

    205 billion in debt and we are still electing those who got us there.

    And 37% is NOT a vast majority


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    #644
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    10-15 years
    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Well, your opinion on matters unification can safely be dismissed as an irrelevance.

    You've already admitted that there is no price you aren't willing to pay. The vast majority of the electorate don't share this opinion.

    €205 billion in the red and the Shinnerbots and their clappy-seals want to take on a financial basket-case

    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2019/0704/1060035-national-debt/

    Not happening lads.

    Not happening.

    Curiously enough if ireland took on NIs portion of uk debt....it would still reduce amount of debt per person across entire island and in theory at least make it easier for ireland to borrow money


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    #645
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    10-15 years
    RobMc59 wrote: »
    Not knowing anything about it I couldn't comment,where and when did that happen?

    You suggested myself and others acquaint ourselves with the history. My school played a role in the history. It was a former army barracks were some of the men involved in 1916 were held. Point being, I don't need a BBC FAQ or 'did you know?' on Irish history.


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    #646
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    10-15 years
    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Yes you are. Comments like this


    while reserving the right to safeguard your own Union because you have



    is looking down your nose. The Irish have every right to make decisions based on sentiment and patriotism too.


    What is the 'lesson' there? Ireland was a part of the UK because the Irish Ascendancy class decided to be. Fact.
    Nothing wrong with an Irish person wanting a UI,if it's ever a possibility and Ireland come up with detailed plans on how they intend to finance it then perhaps there will be a vote.
    A straight yes or no vote(which I believe you favour)isn't going to happen-we've all seen the folly of the UK brexit referendum-I know lots of people who voted to leave now saying "this isn't what we were told was going to happen "!So I doubt the people of NI or indeed Ireland would make that mistake.


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    #647
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    10-15 years
    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Well, your opinion on matters unification can safely be dismissed as an irrelevance.

    You've already admitted that there is no price you aren't willing to pay. The vast majority of the electorate don't share this opinion.

    €205 billion in the red and the Shinnerbots and their clappy-seals want to take on a financial basket-case

    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2019/0704/1060035-national-debt/

    Not happening lads.

    Not happening.

    Look, you keep repeating your nonsense and people will take the piss.
    Key points:
    SF doesn't own the idea of a UI. People who don't or seldom vote SF want a UI. people who truly want a UI will take on any cost. We've wasted far much more money on less and on that point the figures are pulled from your arse.


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    #648
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,179 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    A straight yes or no vote(which I believe you favour)isn't going to happen-we've all seen the folly of the UK brexit referendum

    We don't do referendums the way you do yours.

    The question in a border poll will most likely take the form that it did in the GFA...i.e. a proposal, yes or no, to change our constitution, accompanied with a larger document proposing what is involved.

    We will also have a full and transparent debate about the issues with facts presented by both sides.


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    #649
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    10-15 years
    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    You suggested myself and others acquaint ourselves with the history. My school played a role in the history. It was a former army barracks were some of the men involved in 1916 were held. Point being, I don't need a BBC FAQ or 'did you know?' on Irish history.

    You obviously didn't know Ireland was part of the UK.


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    #650
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    10-15 years
    RobMc59 wrote: »
    You obviously didn't know Ireland was part of the UK.

    Isnt the act of union regarded as a corrupt treaty nowadays as was bought about due to corruptuon and bribery


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    #651
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,179 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    You obviously didn't know Ireland was part of the UK.

    Typical of a certain mindset. Try and pretend now that the Act Of Union represented the wishes of all the people of Ireland.

    Don't go digging that hole Rob, do yourself a favour.


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    #652
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    10-15 years
    RobMc59 wrote: »
    You obviously didn't know Ireland was part of the UK.

    Why? Can you explain that conclusion?
    Northern Ireland isn't a country. Imagine Cornwall was under French jurisdiction and you needed Euros to shop there and a passport to enter it. Would you be telling your fellow Englishmen looking to unify England that they should leave well enough alone?
    You said we split from the UK. We gained partial freedom from an invader occupier. Massive difference. We didn't break up the band, we freed from a foreign power.


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    #653
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    10-15 years
    _blaaz wrote: »
    Isnt the act of union regarded as a corrupt treaty nowadays as was bought about due to corruptuon and bribery

    Only if you want to rewrite history which sadly happens a lot amongst republicans-like saying Ireland was`nt part of the UK.


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    #654
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,179 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    Only if you want to rewrite history which sadly happens a lot amongst republicans-like saying Ireland was`nt part of the UK.

    Who said it wasn't?


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    #655
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    10-15 years
    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Typical of a certain mindset. Try and pretend now that the Act Of Union represented the wishes of all the people of Ireland.

    Don't go digging that hole Rob, do yourself a favour.

    Francie,Ireland was part of the UK -FACT


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    #656
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    10-15 years
    RobMc59 wrote: »
    Only if you want to rewrite history which sadly happens a lot amongst republicans-like saying Ireland was`nt part of the UK.

    Mate....it wasnt put to concent of majority of population (and those of gratten parliment were offered ridcolus financial benefits/vast tracta of land to vote for it...and run roost over natives)


    Idk what standred you hold democracy too...but brexit is democratic ....the 1801 act of union isnt


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    #657
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,179 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    Francie,Ireland was part of the UK -FACT

    What is your point about that?

    We had many risings and eventually the Irish ascendancy's wish to be a part of the UK was overthrown.
    The Act Of Union was not the wish of anyone but the Irish Ascendancy secured in power by the British. Fact.


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    #658
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    10-15 years
    RobMc59 wrote: »
    Nothing wrong with an Irish person wanting a UI,if it's ever a possibility and Ireland come up with detailed plans on how they intend to finance it then perhaps there will be a vote.
    A straight yes or no vote(which I believe you favour)isn't going to happen-we've all seen the folly of the UK brexit referendum-I know lots of people who voted to leave now saying "this isn't what we were told was going to happen "!So I doubt the people of NI or indeed Ireland would make that mistake.

    Ireland is in a supremely different universe and class at planning researching and educating the population on referendums than the uk. We have one every few years.

    The biggest fvckup apart from Cameron actually calling the stupid brexit ref was not turning to Britain’s nearest neighbor to find out how to actually run a referendum.

    There wouldn’t be any voter regret because every citizen of voting age would be informed and educated with all the info they need before the ref took place. Something the Brits failed utterly to do hence the anger and division over there now


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    #659
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    10-15 years
    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Ireland is in a supremely different universe and class at planning researching and educating the population on referendums than the uk. We have one every few years.

    The biggest fvckup apart from Cameron actually calling the stupid brexit ref was not turning to Britain’s nearest neighbor to find out how to actually run a referendum.

    There wouldn’t be any voter regret because every citizen of voting age would be informed and educated with all the info they need before the ref took place. Something the Brits failed utterly to do hence the anger and division over there now

    I agree with you completely,I voted to remain in 2016 and still hope we stay.Although whether the rest of Europe would ever forgive Britain(especially Ireland) remains to be seen.


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    #660
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,179 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    I agree with you completely,I voted to remain in 2016 and still hope we stay.Although whether the rest of Europe would ever forgive Britain(especially Ireland) remains to be seen.

    I cannot see how the UK can return to normal politics, try as I might. Even if they get by Brexit, I think the damage has been done. Scotland will diverge away and northern Ireland can never trust a Tory government again.
    They have more problems internally to worry about than re-friending the rest of Europe.


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    #661
    Dammo
    Registered Users Posts: 327 ✭✭Dammo


    Ulster Says No. It will never happen
    I don’t want to reopen the Irish / Northern Irish “debate” we had a while back, but are there any posters here who described themselves as Northern Irish rather than Irish or British in the last census up north?

    I’d love to hear what they think the future will bring. Sure, I’m interested in what they would like to see happen, but it’d be more interesting to hear what they think actually will happen, based on what they see and hear around them.


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