How long before Irish reunification?

downcow

So the loyalist community postpone all parades for foreseeable future.
The shinners though never miss a chance for a wee parade. Here they are flouting all the distancing rules and funeral rules yesterday
A law unto themselves https://www.midulstermail.co.uk/news/people/questions-asked-about-social-distancing-after-crowds-attend-funeral-republican-francie-mcnally-2534182

They didn’t even have their usual masks on lol

RobMc59

10-15 years

downcow wrote: »

So the loyalist community postpone all parades for foreseeable future.
The shinners though never miss a chance for a wee parade. Here they are flouting all the distancing rules and funeral rules yesterday
A law unto themselves https://www.midulstermail.co.uk/news/people/questions-asked-about-social-distancing-after-crowds-attend-funeral-republican-francie-mcnally-2534182

They didn’t even have their usual masks on lol

Absolute disgrace,but to be expected from a bunch of knuckle dragging neanderthals!

FrancieBrady

I have no problem saying that funeral was the wrong thing to do, they should apologise immediately. No excuse for those involved.

RobMc59

10-15 years

blinding wrote: »

Some day, when Big Island Brits work out how much they are paying for Northern Ireland ; Well then = Tis all over for you Irish Unionists.

If what the Italian prime minister says in this link is correct,the EU may crumble then Ireland may end up rejoining the UK never mind a UI,who knows, even join the Commonwealth.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52224838

BonnieSituation

20-30 years

RobMc59 wrote: »

If what the Italian prime minister says in this link is correct,the EU may crumble then Ireland may end up rejoining the UK never mind a UI,who knows, even join the Commonwealth.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52224838

Is the UK doing so well that we would hitch our wagon to that trash heap?

Oh Rob.

FrancieBrady

RobMc59 wrote: »

If what the Italian prime minister says in this link is correct,the EU may crumble then Ireland may end up rejoining the UK never mind a UI,who knows, even join the Commonwealth.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52224838

Ha ha ha. It's bad when you are listening to the Italians for comfort.

Italy, of all EU countries needs debt relief, he is applying pressure on other leaders here.

The UK is simply printing more money QE as far as I know. That option is open to all. There will be relief too as there has to be. Not just in Italy but across the entire planet.
It won't be a bed of roses for sure, but the EU will be one of the last to fold id folding begins. It s those standing alone who need to worry most.

blinding

10-15 years

RobMc59 wrote: »

If what the Italian prime minister says in this link is correct,the EU may crumble then Ireland may end up rejoining the UK never mind a UI,who knows, even join the Commonwealth.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52224838

An Independent United Ireland is the way to go.

I would join the Common-wealth on a trial basis ( for the Common-wealth) if Ireland was allowed to head it ( just for the hell of it )

We could run it for 20 years just because.....

BonnieSituation

20-30 years

blinding wrote: »

An Independent United Ireland is the way to go.

I would join the Common-wealth on a trial basis ( for the Common-wealth) if Ireland was allowed to head it ( just for the hell of it )

We could run it for 20 years just because.....

Don't even joke about that.

The idea of a republic joining an organisation headed by a monarch is just absurd.

blinding

10-15 years

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Don't even joke about that.

The idea of a republic joining an organisation headed by a monarch is just absurd.

There was talk of the Leader being Elected by the Leaders of the Commonwealth Members which would have brought some level of Democracy to it BUT they bottled it and it is still the British Monarch, which is a problem alright ! !

FrancieBrady

Not withstanding Boris talking about it as a trading bloc to compete with the EU. Laughable but still a no no for us if they even try.

I agree about the 'monarch' leader thing too.

BonnieSituation

20-30 years

blinding wrote: »

There was talk of the Leader being Elected by the Leaders of the Commonwealth Members which would have brought some level of Democracy to it BUT they bottled it and it is still the British Monarch, which is a problem alright ! !

Let's get this straight, it's not that it's the British Monarch, it's that it is a monarch at all.

blinding

10-15 years

So if a United Ireland was offered and part of the Deal was becoming a Member of the Common-Wealth then , many would turn it down ! ! This seems a case of the ‘Perfect' standing in the Way of the Good Outcome.

blinding

10-15 years

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Let's get this straight, it's not that it's the British Monarch, it's that it is a monarch at all.

And what if the Leader of the Common-Wealth was elected by the Leaders of its Members. The probable (to me ) sensible and right approach.

BonnieSituation

20-30 years

blinding wrote: »

So if a United Ireland was offered and part of the Deal was becoming a Member of the Common-Wealth then , many would turn it down ! ! This seems a case of the ‘Perfect' standing in the Way of the Good Outcome.

Why would it be "offered"?

The only way we get a UI is when we have the referendum on same. There are no offers to be made.

I don't see a unionist going "sure I'll vote for a UI if we can join the Commonwealth". Come off it. Plus, their days of "offering stuff" and having a veto are over. The most entrenched are not worthy of consideration. Leave them at it.

blinding wrote: »

And what if the Leader of the Common-Wealth was elected by the Leaders of its Members. The probable (to me ) sensible and right approach.

I still don't understand why we would join such an anachronism of pointlessness.

Junkyard Tom

30-40 years

jh79 wrote: »

We have to agree to take NI in a referendum. The South has a choice.

If the South rejects reunification then the Irish state ceases to exist in its current form. Good luck with that.

blinding

10-15 years

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

If the South rejects reunification then the Irish state ceases to exist in its current form. Good luck with that.

It would be hard to see the South rejecting it but then the Southern West Brits have a lot of the Media on their Side; It would certainly be ‘ interesting times '

Junkyard Tom

30-40 years

blinding wrote: »

It would be hard to see the South rejecting it but then the Southern West Brits have a lot of the Media on their Side; It would certainly be ‘ interesting times '

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111495712&postcount=85

People who are against it would need to come together and come up with a vision for a permanently separated nation because this state was designed with an end-goal of unification.

BonnieSituation

20-30 years

There is near to zero chance of a Southern rejection.

Partitionists would have to step up and give us the whys and wherefores. I can't see the cowards doing that.

jh79

BonnieSituation wrote: »

There is near to zero chance of a Southern rejection.

Partitionists would have to step up and give us the whys and wherefores. I can't see the cowards doing that.

We can't afford will be the post COVID-19 reason and that could impact our economy for more than a decade.

A SF led government running deficits year are year will make sure of that.

FrancieBrady

BonnieSituation wrote: »

There is near to zero chance of a Southern rejection.

Partitionists would have to step up and give us the whys and wherefores. I can't see the cowards doing that.

Not even Charlie Flanagan would campaign against it. You'd have the Kevin Myers, Peter Casey, Ruth Dudley Edwards types mounting petty little campaigns, but I can't see one political party opposing it.

BonnieSituation

20-30 years

jh79 wrote: »

We can't afford will be the post COVID-19 reason and that could impact our economy for more than a decade.

A SF led government running deficits year are year will make sure of that.

Grand so.

When a referendum comes I expect you and your ilk to go make that argument. As is your right.

"Partition is good because..."

BonnieSituation

20-30 years

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Not even Charlie Flanagan would campaign against it. You'd have the Kevin Myers, Peter Casey, Ruth Dudley Edwards types mounting petty little campaigns, but I can't see one political party opposing it.

Renua were the only party of pure partition I know of.

PDs were uncomfortable with reunification. But that's about it.

That says it all for me.

downcow

RobMc59 wrote: »

If what the Italian prime minister says in this link is correct,the EU may crumble then Ireland may end up rejoining the UK never mind a UI,who knows, even join the Commonwealth.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52224838

I am not sure I would want them. Do we in NI get to vote to block them getting in, like they do in GFA. Why would we in the UK want to take on that millstone?

FrancieBrady

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Renua were the only party of pure partition I know of.

PDs were uncomfortable with reunification. But that's about it.

That says it all for me.

Where Renua actually against it? In their policy docs?

eire4

jh79 wrote: »

We can't afford will be the post COVID-19 reason and that could impact our economy for more than a decade.

A SF led government running deficits year are year will make sure of that.

To be fair it is way too early to say does the covid 19 pandemic change anything at all as everyone is going to be taking a big hit and in fact if the models are in any way accurate Britain may well be taking the biggest hit in western Europe. One thing I do feel is coming is that there will be some very serious fundamental changes coming when this crisis is over and whether those are for the better of for the worse only time will tell but big change is coming IMHO.

BonnieSituation

20-30 years

downcow wrote: »

I am not sure I would want them. Do we in NI get to vote to block them getting in, like they do in GFA. Why would we in the UK want to take on that millstone?

Ha ha!

You should lead the campaign against our reunification with the UK. We're all CRYING out for it here.

You're a good one. But it's not up for debate here. You should go start a thread on it.

Junkyard Tom

30-40 years

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Grand so.

When a referendum comes I expect you and your ilk to go make that argument. As is your right.

"Partition is good because..."

And they can stop using the Irish Flag, they can change the constitution, they can stop using 'Ireland' as the name of the state, stop using the anthem and so on.

Yeah, these fools haven't considered the consequences of rejection of unification.

BonnieSituation

20-30 years

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Where Renua actually against it? In their policy docs?

I'm certain they were. I remember posting it in a previous thread. Please hold.

EDIT: Seems to be missing from their "COUNTRY" section.

landofthetree

eire4 wrote: »

To be fair it is way too early to say does the covid 19 pandemic change anything at all as everyone is going to be taking a big hit and in fact if the models are in any way accurate Britain may well be taking the biggest hit in western Europe. One thing I do feel is coming is that there will be some very serious fundamental changes coming when this crisis is over and whether those are for the better of for the worse only time will tell but big change is coming IMHO.

NI pays nothing towards the UK national debt.


Irelands debt will just grow. The left will get in sooner or later. They will run huge deficits.

Deficits are just another form of taxation.

landofthetree

From 2014

The findings indicate a high proportion of public-sector jobs have played a key role in insulating the North from the effects of the recession relative to the Republic.

Unemployment levels across many parts of Northern Ireland, for example, are half the rates south of the Border.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/north-better-off-than-republic-study-finds-1.2020804


During recessions NI always does better than the South.

Since 2014 it has added public sector jobs every year.
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/employee-jobs-total-in-northern-ireland-jumps-to-historical-high-1.3728105