How long before Irish reunification?

Stop moaning ffs

10-15 years

RobMc59 wrote: »

Did you actually read my post?I never said the EU are making it difficult I said they are`nt making it easy and I don`t blame them-it`s not in their interests and would threaten the future of the EU.
As regards an established mechanism for leaving the EU-has anyone left before?Where did you get that interesting information from?

You stated twice that the Eu are making it difficult.

Any country can decide to leave the EU at any point. I’m not doing your research for you. It’s not a prison. You’re revealing a lot with such nonsense posts.

RobMc59

10-15 years

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

You stated twice that the Eu are making it difficult.

Any country can decide to leave the EU at any point. I’m not doing your research for you. It’s not a prison. You’re revealing a lot with such nonsense posts.

You present yourself as very clued up on the EU,I asked you if anyone has left before as you stated there is a mechanism for this but you can`t expand on it when asked about it..-If you don`t know don`t bluster and dig a bigger hole for yourself

_blaaz

10-15 years

RobMc59 wrote: »

You present yourself as very clued up on the EU,I asked you if anyone has left before as you stated there is a mechanism for this but you can`t expand on it when asked about it..-If you don`t know don`t bluster and dig a bigger hole for yourself

The mechanism is article 50 (as per lisbon treaty,you might of heard about it??)


Only a complete dimwit would trigger this without completing negociations or a minimum.preliminary negociations with only finer points to be sorted

RobMc59

10-15 years

_blaaz wrote: »

The mechanism is article 50 (as per lisbon treaty,you might of heard about it??)


Only a complete dimwit would trigger this without completing negociations or a minimum.preliminary negociations with only finer points to be sorted

Very good,you have been paying attention whereas your chum ffs has`nt,he continues to say I said the EU is making it difficult to leave but when asked to expand on this runs away.

Stop moaning ffs

10-15 years

Blaaz got there before me.

You need to read something tht isn’t that daily mail Rob.
You can go to your local library or oh my god your phone and read all the treaties and rules the Eu have.

You’re pissing into the wind currently pal

RobMc59

10-15 years

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Blaaz got there before me.

You need to read something tht isn’t that daily mail Rob.
You can go to your local library or oh my god your phone and read all the treaties and rules the Eu have.

You’re pissing into the wind currently pal

True to form when you`re exposed you revert to type,in a way that could be seen as acting like a confrontational,argumentative dullard.
Can you provide a link to where I said the EU is making it difficult for the UK to leave?I won`t hold my breath...

_blaaz

10-15 years

RobMc59 wrote: »

True to form when you`re exposed you revert to type,a confrontational,argumentative dullard.
Can you provide a link to where I said the EU is making it difficult for the UK to leave?I won`t hold my breath...

RobMc59 wrote: »

I don`t blame the EU for not making it easy for the UK

You can jump.through hoops and argue shades of black but to me,

not making it easy is same as saying making it difficult??

PeadarCo

_blaaz wrote:

not making it easy is same as saying making it difficult??

It's very easy for the UK to leave the EU. The only reason the UK is still in the EU because they asked to be allowed stay.


Now what is difficult/impossible is negotiating a trade agreement that lines up with the UK self imposed and contradictory red lines. And that's before you look at what the EU wants. Trade agreements are difficult to negotiate at the best of times and normally take years.

So in short it's very easy for the UK to leave but to leave with a good deal is difficult.

FrancieBrady

RobMc59 wrote: »

I`d have thought as the UK is your lifelong nemesis,an independent Scotland is the last thing you`ed want to see francie as they won`t take any sh*te from anyone,least of all Ireland trying to steal their fish.

Yeh, how's that working out for them?

The Scots and Irish will get on fine.

The UK gone of the international scene would be good for everyone, even the English. They might then realise what it is to run a country without pilfering the resources of other countries...character forming one might say.

FrancieBrady

PeadarCo wrote: »

It's very easy for the UK to leave the EU. The only reason the UK is still in the EU because they asked to be allowed stay.


Now what is difficult/impossible is negotiating a trade agreement that lines up with the UK self imposed and contradictory red lines. And that's before you look at what the EU wants. Trade agreements are difficult to negotiate at the best of times and normally take years.

So in short it's very easy for the UK to leave but to leave with a good deal is difficult.

The UK wanted to leave with a deal that was only good for them. They are now dealing with the fallout of Conservatives realising that it isn't the 1800's anymore.

RobMc59

10-15 years

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yeh, how's that working out for them?

The Scots and Irish will get on fine.

The UK gone of the international scene would be good for everyone, even the English. They might then realise what it is to run a country without pilfering the resources of other countries...character forming one might say.

Maybe in your favourite period,two hundred years ago and as you've pointed out Britain has changed since then so maybe its time for you to move on in your mind instead of being stuck in an endless circle of whatever it is you feel about the British, fear or loathing ,only you know that francie.

RobMc59

10-15 years

PeadarCo wrote: »

It's very easy for the UK to leave the EU. The only reason the UK is still in the EU because they asked to be allowed stay.


Now what is difficult/impossible is negotiating a trade agreement that lines up with the UK self imposed and contradictory red lines. And that's before you look at what the EU wants. Trade agreements are difficult to negotiate at the best of times and normally take years.

So in short it's very easy for the UK to leave but to leave with a good deal is difficult.

I agree and the naivety of the UK public in believing the garbage fed to them by the brexiteers is stunning but its not over yet and there is a growing call to remain imo.

FrancieBrady

RobMc59 wrote: »

Maybe in your favourite period,two hundred years ago and as you've pointed out Britain has changed since then so maybe its time for you to move on in your mind instead of being stuck in an endless circle of whatever it is you feel about the British, fear or loathing ,only you know that francie.

Not 200 years Rob, they have just changed the means of exploitation....what do you think the new aircraft carriers are for - spreading their bountiful Blightyness while leaving behind all that wonderful infrastructure free gratis that janfebmar goes on about? :D:rolleyes:

10000maniacs

15-20 years

We all know ordinary people on both sides are going to suffer in the event of a hard Brexit. People in difficulty tend to go against the status quo. The DUP and Sinn Fein are the status quo currently so the SDLP, UUP, Greens and Alliance will be sweeping up in the event of a hard brexit. Can't see an obvious united Ireland from that scenario TBH.

FrancieBrady

10000maniacs wrote: »

We all know ordinary people on both sides are going to suffer in the event of a hard Brexit. People in difficulty tend to go against the status quo. The DUP and Sinn Fein are the status quo currently so the SDLP, UUP, Greens and Alliance will be sweeping up in the event of a hard brexit. Can't see an obvious united Ireland from that scenario TBH.

If Brexit (hard or soft) goes tits up then an imperative for a UI will have little to do with SF alone.

Stop moaning ffs

10-15 years

RobMc59 wrote: »

True to form when you`re exposed you revert to type,in a way that could be seen as acting like a confrontational,argumentative dullard.
Can you provide a link to where I said the EU is making it difficult for the UK to leave?I won`t hold my breath...

Quote: RobMc59
True to form when you`re exposed you revert to type,a confrontational,argumentative dullard.
Can you provide a link to where I said the EU is making it difficult for the UK to leave?I won`t hold my breath...


Quote: RobMc59
I don`t blame the EU for not making it easy for the UK



Wow.
Rob it’s almost like two different people are running your account.

There’s two examples from the previous page. Not like it was last year or anything. It was yesterday. And today that you posted that. Did you forget?

If you’re going to insult people for calling you out on statements you actually made you should at least cover yourself and have a cogent argument. There you are TWICE in black and white saying what you then sent on to say you didn’t say.
When you actually did.

Thanks blaaz

The Specialist

I can’t see it happening anytime soon and to be honest, I don’t particularly care for it either. The North is a basket case and we can barely fund our own and projects down here without adding another 6 counties on to the tab as well. Something best left to folk songs and dreams, the reality is there is unlikely to ever be the appetite to make it real.

RobMc59

10-15 years

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Quote: RobMc59
True to form when you`re exposed you revert to type,a confrontational,argumentative dullard.
Can you provide a link to where I said the EU is making it difficult for the UK to leave?I won`t hold my breath...


Quote: RobMc59
I don`t blame the EU for not making it easy for the UK



Wow.
Rob it’s almost like two different people are running your account.

There’s two examples from the previous page. Not like it was last year or anything. It was yesterday. And today that you posted that. Did you forget?

If you’re going to insult people for calling you out on statements you actually made you should at least cover yourself and have a cogent argument. There you are TWICE in black and white saying what you then sent on to say you didn’t say.
When you actually did.

Thanks blaaz

Not making it easy for the UK doesn't mean the EU is wilfully making it DIFFICULT.
Not bending over backwards(ie:making it easy)is probably the right attitude-why should the likes of Rees mogg and the rest of the brexiteers have everything on a plate.
I am not trying to criticize the EU for their stance-I believe it helps the UK people see the real situation.

RobMc59

10-15 years

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Not 200 years Rob, they have just changed the means of exploitation....what do you think the new aircraft carriers are for - spreading their bountiful Blightyness while leaving behind all that wonderful infrastructure free gratis that janfebmar goes on about? :D:rolleyes:

Well as you propose Ireland teaming up with the Chinese you won't be bothered francie-or will you be like the democracy protestors in Hong Kong waving British Hong Kong flags?

FrancieBrady

RobMc59 wrote: »

Well as you propose Ireland teaming up with the Chinese you won't be bothered francie-or will you be like the democracy protestors in Hong Kong waving British Hong Kong flags?

What now Rob? You inventing opinions for me?

mattser

The Specialist wrote: »

I can’t see it happening anytime soon and to be honest, I don’t particularly care for it either. The North is a basket case and we can barely fund our own and projects down here without adding another 6 counties on to the tab as well. Something best left to folk songs and dreams, the reality is there is unlikely to ever be the appetite to make it real.

That about covers it in one post. Why some others have to keep rabbiting on with the same sh*te day in day out, is beyond me.

cameramonkey

20-30 years

The Specialist wrote: »

I can’t see it happening anytime soon and to be honest, I don’t particularly care for it either. The North is a basket case and we can barely fund our own and projects down here without adding another 6 counties on to the tab as well. Something best left to folk songs and dreams, the reality is there is unlikely to ever be the appetite to make it real.

Except of course for the fact that in every opinion poll taken on reunification in the south people have expressed by a large majority the desire or as you would put it appetite for a united Ireland.

eire4

cameramonkey wrote: »

Except of course for the fact that in every opinion poll taken on reunification in the south people have expressed by a large majority the desire or as you would put it appetite for a united Ireland.

I would think we would get assistance and support from the EU to help with reunification as well.

RobMc59

10-15 years

cameramonkey wrote: »

Except of course for the fact that in every opinion poll taken on reunification in the south people have expressed by a large majority the desire or as you would put it appetite for a united Ireland.

This is an interesting link I posted some time ago on here which gives some idea of opinion in NI.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-northern-ireland-48702235

cameramonkey

20-30 years

RobMc59 wrote: »

This is an interesting link I posted some time ago on here which gives some idea of opinion in NI.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-northern-ireland-48702235

NI is a failed political entity. The place has been run into the ground by the UK, it's economy is a fraction of what it should be and the sectarian nature of what Britain has produced is not sustainable.

In the early 1900s Belfast was by a considerable distance, the largest city in Ireland now it is less than a third the size of BAC. When Ireland was partitioned the six counties was producing close to 70% of the industrial output of the Island ,now exports of goods and services from the Republic are €282.4bn; total exports from the North stand at €10.1bn. The south produces close to 30 times more exports compared to the six, income per head is now €22,000 in the once wealthy Northern Ireland and €38,000 in the once impoverished Republic of Ireland.

The UK needs to take a step back any look at the state they have left the place in. Even if they tried they couldn't do a worse job. The UK should hang its head in shame for what they have done.

A united Ireland is the only solution to rescue our northern brothers and sisters from the shiitee show the UK has produced.

blanch152

cameramonkey wrote: »

Except of course for the fact that in every opinion poll taken on reunification in the south people have expressed by a large majority the desire or as you would put it appetite for a united Ireland.

Until you ask them to pay for it, upon which time the support melts away, I mean, this won’t be done by taxes on unicorns and rainbows as Sinn Fein seem to believe, but there will be cuts to pensions, to disability, to child benefit, as well as taxes falling on the lower paid. That is the reality and that is why the most ardent supporters of a united Ireland on this thread - the ones who are here night and day 24/7 - will never discuss the financial reality of a united Ireland.



Edit: Enter Stage Left one of the regulars who will tell us it will be all right on the night, just like the cheapest bailout in history

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Until you ask them to pay for it, upon which time the support melts away, I mean, this won’t be done by taxes on unicorns and rainbows as Sinn Fein seem to believe, but there will be cuts to pensions, to disability, to child benefit, as well as taxes falling on the lower paid. That is the reality and that is why the most ardent supporters of a united Ireland on this thread - the ones who are here night and day 24/7 - will never discuss the financial reality of a united Ireland.



Edit: Enter Stage Left one of the regulars who will tell us it will be all right on the night, just like the cheapest bailout in history

Support doesn't melt away as some disappeared poster tried to claim...37% don't want to pay extra tax...while 37% would pay an extra tax, 26% are undecided.
How many of them are fed on the fallacious diet of 8-9-10-11-12 billions is unknown.

Gael23

Not in the lifetime of anyone reading this thread

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Support doesn't melt away as some disappeared poster tried to claim...37% don't want to pay extra tax...while 37% would pay an extra tax, 26% are undecided.
How many of them are fed on the fallacious diet of 8-9-10-11-12 billions is unknown.

Except That it won’t be just increased taxes. The other 37% will mostly disappear once they realise the dole and pension are also being cut. Extra taxes on unicorns and rainbows won’t be enough.

armaghlad

10-15 years

Gael23 wrote: »

Not in the lifetime of anyone reading this thread

Based on? The tide is turning up here.