How long before Irish reunification?

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Except That it won’t be just increased taxes. The other 37% will mostly disappear once they realise the dole and pension are also being cut. Extra taxes on unicorns and rainbows won’t be enough.

And of course you have all the data to back this up?

Partitionists, love polls they think back them up(37% is a melt away ) ....
ignore the trend in the polls that don't.

FrancieBrady

Gael23 wrote: »

Not in the lifetime of anyone reading this thread

If Brexit goes pear shaped, which it will in some form, FG/FF will have to look for a UI to save agriculture here and a lot more.

Can you not see that is the reason Enda and Leo are talking about a UI now.

The Specialist

cameramonkey wrote: »

Except of course for the fact that in every opinion poll taken on reunification in the south people have expressed by a large majority the desire or as you would put it appetite for a united Ireland.

What’s the sample base size of those votes and what kind of people did they ask? A few hundred ****ers who love the Wolfe tones voting yes in a poll like is beyond meaningless - it represents nothing.

FrancieBrady

The Specialist wrote: »

What’s the sample base size of those votes and what kind of people did they ask? A few hundred ****ers who love the Wolfe tones voting yes in a poll like is beyond meaningless - it represents nothing.

So what data do you have for us, other than what you feel in your water?

Stop moaning ffs

10-15 years

blanch152 wrote: »

Until you ask them to pay for it, upon which time the support melts away, I mean, this won’t be done by taxes on unicorns and rainbows as Sinn Fein seem to believe, but there will be cuts to pensions, to disability, to child benefit, as well as taxes falling on the lower paid. That is the reality and that is why the most ardent supporters of a united Ireland on this thread - the ones who are here night and day 24/7 - will never discuss the financial reality of a united Ireland.



Edit: Enter Stage Left one of the regulars who will tell us it will be all right on the night, just like the cheapest bailout in history

Enter stage right you with that same redundant disproven argument. Which you have never actually backed up with any evidence despite being shown evidence to the contrary repeatedly

_blaaz

10-15 years

The Specialist wrote: »

What’s the sample base size of those votes and what kind of people did they ask? A few hundred ****ers who love the Wolfe tones voting yes in a poll like is beyond meaningless - it represents nothing.

I wouldnt vote for sinn fein in a fit...but its blindinly obvious to me particularly since this brexit fiasco that reunification is whats best for the island

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And of course you have all the data to back this up?

Partitionists, love polls they think back them up(37% is a melt away ) ....
ignore the trend in the polls that don't.

The united Ireland fantasists don’t really understand that there will be years before an indicative poll will even be considered by the Secretary of State and that even in the unlikely event that it is passed, it will take a further decade to negotiate the details of a united Ireland, and that will then have to pass confirmatory referenda on both sides of the border, if we are to ensure no repeat of the stupidity of Brexit. And still no guarantee that either will pass.

In the meantime, the Northern Irish identity will strengthen and the links to a far and distant past when this island was united (and then only under British rule) will fade further into folklore memory.

You may continually deride what you describe as partitionists, but their reality is a lot more convincing than the crazy dreams of the UI fantasists.

blanch152

_blaaz wrote: »

I wouldnt vote for sinn fein in a fit...but its blindinly obvious to me particularly since this brexit fiasco that reunification is whats best for the island

Wrong.

A reversal of Brexit is what is best for this island.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

The united Ireland fantasists don’t really understand that there will be years before an indicative poll will even be considered by the Secretary of State and that even in the unlikely event that it is passed, it will take a further decade to negotiate the details of a united Ireland, and that will then have to pass confirmatory referenda on both sides of the border, if we are to ensure no repeat of the stupidity of Brexit. And still no guarantee that either will pass.

Partitionist guesswork. ^

In the meantime, the Northern Irish identity will strengthen and the links to a far and distant past when this island was united (and then only under British rule) will fade further into folklore memory.

Partitionist dreams. ^

You may continually deride what you describe as partitionists, but their reality is a lot more convincing than the crazy dreams of the UI fantasists.

Partitionist delusions. ^

_blaaz

10-15 years

blanch152 wrote: »

Wrong.

A reversal of Brexit is what is best for this island.

Nah mate brexit out of ireland is whats needed


It isnt the least bit suprising that someone who opposes a border poll even being held,is againest brexit going ahead....you do seem to have a questionable relationship with democracy



Why anyone would vote to remain in uk as opposed to reunification where wages are on average 55% higher is perhaps something you can explain

Sunny Disposition

15-20 years

I’m going with 2040, so a little over 20 years.
Predict there will have been strong calls for a border poll for years by that stage, and increasingly dubious unionist arguments against one.
With it quite apparent there will be a yes vote, the British government will finally grant the poll, concerned that not doing so will cause more disorder than having one. The result will be a foregone conclusion, will be some calls for a ‘homeland’ in North Antrim for the unionist community, but it’ll come to nothing.
The North will remain divided, but less and less so, with nationalists seeing the game has been won and voting on different issues. Many unionists will see the issue is over too. Some strains of unionism will remain, but be very limited.
EU and Irish policies will be very pro development in the North, in an ultimately successful attempt to prevent Protestants becoming alienated as Catholics were post partition.
The new Irish anthem will be God Save the Uachtarain.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Partitionist guesswork. ^

Partitionist dreams. ^


Partitionist delusions. ^

Even on this thread, on a forum that allows the derisory usage of partitionist, over 55% think that it will be more than twenty years before there is a united Ireland, if at all.

If a week is a long time in politics, twenty years can see the rise and fall of civilisations. A UI remains a fantastical dream on the basis of the poll on this thread.

blanch152

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

I’m going with 2040, so a little over 20 years.
Predict there will have been strong calls for a border poll for years by that stage, and increasingly dubious unionist arguments against one.
With it quite apparent there will be a yes vote, the British government will finally grant the poll, concerned that not doing so will cause more disorder than having one. The result will be a foregone conclusion, will be some calls for a ‘homeland’ in North Antrim for the unionist community, but it’ll come to nothing.
The North will remain divided, but less and less so, with nationalists seeing the game has been won and voting on different issues. Many unionists will see the issue is over too. Some strains of unionism will remain, but be very limited.
EU and Irish policies will be very pro development in the North, in an ultimately successful attempt to prevent Protestants becoming alienated as Catholics were post partition.
The new Irish anthem will be God Save the Uachtarain.

With support for Sinn Fein falling in successive elections, the prospect of a poll recedes as the clamour for one gets more hysterical.

Stop moaning ffs

10-15 years

You’re operating under the illusion that it’s only SF want this. If and when public opinion solidifies and brexit goes south which it will, you’ll see FG and Ff chasing votes and getting out in front of it. As they always do.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Even on this thread, on a forum that allows the derisory usage of partitionist, over 55% think that it will be more than twenty years before there is a united Ireland, if at all.

If a week is a long time in politics, twenty years can see the rise and fall of civilisations. A UI remains a fantastical dream on the basis of the poll on this thread.

There is nothing derisory in describing your position as partitionist...that is what it is.

We have seen two Taosigh now talking about a UI, that week is indeed 'long'.
The biggest change is the move towards a UI, not the one away from it.

_blaaz

10-15 years

blanch152 wrote: »

With support for Sinn Fein falling in successive elections, the prospect of a poll recedes as the clamour for one gets more hysterical.

Why do.you refuse to.acknowlege the people.who dont vote sinn fein but want a utd ireland?


Linking a utd ireland to the SF vote is very short sighted and narrow minded way to view things...why do it have to be a SF only thing,i wouldnt vote for em in a fit

_blaaz

10-15 years

The biggest change is the move towards a UI, not the one away from it.

If anything those opposeing it/shouting down everyone for it as shinners are extremeists and at risk of being left behind by history

Stop moaning ffs

10-15 years

_blaaz wrote: »

Why do.you refuse to.acknowlege the people.who dont vote sinn fein but want a utd ireland?


Linking a utd ireland to the SF vote is very short sighted and narrow minded way to view things...why do it have to be a SF only thing,i wouldnt vote for em in a fit

The poster somehow blamed SF for the death of Lyra McKee in another thread.
Work from there.

cameramonkey

20-30 years

The Specialist wrote: »

What’s the sample base size of those votes and what kind of people did they ask? A few hundred ****ers who love the Wolfe tones voting yes in a poll like is beyond meaningless - it represents nothing.

Why don't you go and look them up? Don't you believe any opinion polls or just the ones that you don't agree with?

RobMc59

10-15 years

eire4 wrote: »

I would think we would get assistance and support from the EU to help with reunification as well.

I don't think the EU will help with the massive cost of a UI,they've got their own problems.
https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/2019/03/european-project-has-far-bigger-problems-brexit

facehugger99

_blaaz wrote: »

Why do.you refuse to.acknowlege the people.who dont vote sinn fein but want a utd ireland?

There might be some vague background aspiration but nobody else really gives a ****e about a UI on a day-to-day basis, other than the Shinners.

You can even see it evidenced on this thread with the same 3-4 Shinnerbot clappy-seals fervently thanking each other's posts.


If people were ever asked to put their own tax-euros toward it it would be soundly defeated.

FrancieBrady

facehugger99 wrote: »

There might be some vague background aspiration but nobody else really gives a ****e about a UI on a day-to-day basis, other than the Shinners.

You can even see it evidenced on this thread with the same 3-4 Shinnerbot clappy-seals fervently thanking each other's posts.


If people were ever asked to put their own tax-euros toward it it would be soundly defeated.

The 37% is a 'massive majority' man is back.

Stop moaning ffs

10-15 years

facehugger99 wrote: »

There might be some vague background aspiration but nobody else really gives a ****e about a UI on a day-to-day basis, other than the Shinners.

You can even see it evidenced on this thread with the same 3-4 Shinnerbot clappy-seals fervently thanking each other's posts.


If people were ever asked to put their own tax-euros toward it it would be soundly defeated.

Your entire posting history is pretty much this topic. Wouldn’t be calling anyone a bot if I were you

_blaaz

10-15 years

facehugger99 wrote: »

There might be some vague background aspiration but nobody else really gives a ****e about a UI on a day-to-day basis, other than the Shinners.

You can even see it evidenced on this thread with the same 3-4 Shinnerbot clappy-seals fervently thanking each other's posts.


If people were ever asked to put their own tax-euros toward it it would be soundly defeated.

I would be of opioion realistically we are going to be paying more and more into the EU going forward (by your logic we should leave,since be extra taxes?).....i would much prefer the money to be spent here




I wouldnt vote SF so idk why people keep screaming shinners.....but i think reunification is inevitable and longer its left,the more expensive it will be.....work hard for a generation to make a sucess of it and it will benefit kids/grandkids into the future (same applies to scottish idependance imho)

cameramonkey

20-30 years

facehugger99 wrote: »

There might be some vague background aspiration but nobody else really gives a ****e about a UI on a day-to-day basis, other than the Shinners.

You can even see it evidenced on this thread with the same 3-4 Shinnerbot clappy-seals fervently thanking each other's posts.


If people were ever asked to put their own tax-euros toward it it would be soundly defeated.

Poll after Poll has strong support for a united Ireland, every main party in the south and two in the north support a united Ireland. Yet according to you its "a vague background aspiration".

Your antipathy towards a united Ireland has clouded your judgement. I am not a SF voter.

Sunny Disposition

15-20 years

facehugger99 wrote: »

There might be some vague background aspiration but nobody else really gives a ****e about a UI on a day-to-day basis, other than the Shinners.

You can even see it evidenced on this thread with the same 3-4 Shinnerbot clappy-seals fervently thanking each other's posts.


If people were ever asked to put their own tax-euros toward it it would be soundly defeated.

Come on, loads of people who never vote SF care! Seriously, there isn't a hope of the south voting against it, no comfort for unionists in that, their goal has to be to keep a majority in favour of partition in the north.

facehugger99

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

Come on, loads of people who never vote SF care! Seriously, there isn't a hope of the south voting against it, no comfort for unionists in that, their goal has to be to keep a majority in favour of partition in the north.

Au contraire - it would be soundly defeated in any referendum - any polling that has included the implication of actually paying for it, demonstrates this clearly.

Anyone with even the vaguest understanding of the ROI electorate know that the words 'Unification Tax' are a death knell for the topic.

That's assuming a referendum was ever called which is highly unlikely.

The lads on here bitching and moaning about unification will be still here in a decade from now, and it'll still be as far away as it ever's been.;)

FrancieBrady

facehugger99 wrote: »

Au contraire - it would be soundly defeated in any referendum - any polling that has included the implication of actually paying for it, demonstrates this clearly.

Anyone with even the vaguest understanding of the ROI electorate know that the words 'Unification Tax' are a death knell for the topic.

That's assuming a referendum was ever called which is highly unlikely.

The lads on here bitching and moaning about unification will be still here in a decade from now, and it'll still be as far away as it ever's been.;)

And you continue to lie about this single 'poll' that shows the following:

37% would be willing to pay a tax for a UI
37% would not be willing
26% don't know how they would feel.

Why are you so scared of a UI that you need to continually lie? Are you somehow convincing yourself of something?

eire4

_blaaz wrote: »

Why do.you refuse to.acknowlege the people.who dont vote sinn fein but want a utd ireland?


Linking a utd ireland to the SF vote is very short sighted and narrow minded way to view things...why do it have to be a SF only thing,i wouldnt vote for em in a fit

I hear you. I have never voted for Sinn Fein myself and fully support reunification.

eire4

RobMc59 wrote: »

I don't think the EU will help with the massive cost of a UI,they've got their own problems.
https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/2019/03/european-project-has-far-bigger-problems-brexit

No question that the EU has other serious issues it must deal with in up coming years. But equally no reasons at all they cannot deal with and help with Irish reunification as well.