How long before Irish reunification?

Hamsterchops

Francie, just because you don't want them to be British doesn't fix things for you, you know that.

Yes, wouldn't it be great in the morning if we all woke up to find that all the Unionists & Loyalists in Northern Ireland had relinquished their Britishness in favour of being Irish Republicans

They are British, and they will remain so, and nothing we can say will change that.

addaword

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Thing is Francie, it's not about possessions, it's about an identity you believe you belong to. People believe they are Irish because in our hearts we know we are Irish, and people who believe they are British are British, specially if they're born in the United Kingdom! They sing God Save the Queen, their flag is the Union Flag, they posess British passports and they are British....

Correct. Anyone who has a British passport is entitled to call themselves British. That is their mainland. Just as someone pointed out 4 or 5 posts ago someone from Sicily is Italian.

blinding

10-15 years

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You again are confusing things here.
You think, like insecure unionists, that being called Irish is to confer an Irish identity on someone.
You are Irish because the island is called Ireland.
You can spin until the cows come home to save some belligerent Unionists from being offended all you wish.

Sure if they are not Irish they would have gone to another country or stayed in Britain. When they came to Ireland and stayed in Ireland they are Irish ! ! !

Runaways

10-15 years

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Thing is Francie, it's not about possessions, it's about an identity you believe you belong to. People believe they are Irish because in our hearts we know we are Irish, and people who believe they are British are British, specially if they're born in the United Kingdom! They sing God Save the Queen, their flag is the Union Flag, they posess British passports and they are British....

So who are we to say "you're not British"?

It’s mad thanks to English nationalism and exceptionalism they have alienated the Scots and the Welsh
The weird irony of it is the English identifies English before they identify as British almost completely
Thanks to Brexit. The precious union only exists in a certain kind of Tories mind and of course the delusional British cosplayers in Northern Ireland

blinding

10-15 years

addaword wrote: »

Correct. Anyone who has a British passport is entitled to call themselves British. That is their mainland. Just as someone pointed out 4 or 5 posts ago someone from Sicily is Italian.

But if you are from Northern Ireland you are Irish-British or Northern Irish-British.

blinding

10-15 years

Runaways wrote: »

It’s mad thanks to English nationalism and exceptionalism they have alienated the Scots and the Welsh
The weird irony of it is the English identifies English before they identify as British almost completely
Thanks to Brexit. The precious union only exists in a certain kind of Tories mind and of course the delusional British cosplayers in Northern Ireland

Only about 10% of the Welsh support Plaid Cymru. 90% of them don’t seem that alienated from the English ! !

downcow

jm08 wrote: »

To distinguish themselves from South and Central Americans. Those from USA and Canada are referred to as North Americans. America is a huge continent.

So is it the ‘ern that is upsetting you? Would you be happy if I referred to myself as north Irish ?

addaword

blinding wrote: »

But if you are from Northern Ireland you are Irish-British or Northern Irish-British.

Would you have anything against Sicilians who identify themselves as "Italian"?

Hamsterchops

blinding wrote: »

But if you are from Northern Ireland you are Irish-British or Northern Irish-British.

Or just British, or Britsh-Irish, or Ulster-Scots, or Northern Irish, or just Irish. Not sure you can preach to any population in the world as to what they should be. The Sicily example is a good one.

You tell the Sicilians they are not Italian, and you might well end up swimmin wit da fishes

blinding

10-15 years

addaword wrote: »

Would you have anything against Sicilians who identify themselves as "Italian"?

I’m inclined to agree with Sicilians on all matters. Kapiche;);)

FrancieBrady

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Francie, just because you don't want them to be British doesn't fix things for you, you know that.

I have no issue with how anyone wants to identify HC.

Yes, wouldn't it be great in the morning if we all woke up to find that all the Unionists & Loyalists in Northern Ireland had relinquished their Britishness in favour of being Irish Republicans

They are British, and they will remain so, and nothing we can say will change that.

Completely misunderstanding the point does not negate it HC.

You did precisely what I said the reason belligerent unionists won't currently accept the designation was.
They and you are so insecure they think they'll be kissing pictures of the pope.
Their recent ancestors Trimble, Paisley, Brookeborugh all had no problem being Irish.

downcow

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Britain is full of people of Irish heritage who are British and who know they'd be considered idiots if they described themselves as 'Irish Only'.

Be honest an awful lot Unionists hate the Irish language because it's a stark reminder that you live in Ireland and you can never ever get away from that fact.

I mean imagine being so bitter about the Irish language you go to the trouble of grinding an Irish word off a manhole cover. Sad bastards.

There are plenty of sad bastards around https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.newsletter.co.uk/news/bomb-was-attack-walkers-memory-1000628%3famp

Hamsterchops

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I have no issue with how anyone wants to identify HC. .
Their recent ancestors Trimble, Paisley, Brookeborugh all had no problem being Irish.

Irish yes, but in the overarching context of Britishness. Paisley said many times that he was a proud Irishman which is great, but he always said it in the context of being British.

Can't you understand that?

It's like we're still at the 1st hurdle of understanding each others beliefs, us Irish them British.

Hamsterchops

I don't know how we're ever going to unite with the North if we can't even get to grips with their nationality.

FrancieBrady

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Irish yes, but in the overarching context of Britishness. Paisley said many times that he was a proud Irishman which is great, but he always said it in the context of being British.

Can't you understand that?

It's like we're still at the 1st hurdle of understanding each others beliefs, us Irish them British.

He was Irish and identified as British. Every right under the sun to do it.
He wasn't insecure about it.

Why do you think in NI that they are so obsessed with the UJ? Like no other people's that identify as British. Those that identify as Irish and who are Irish by birth also, do it as well, but not nearly to the degree that Unionists do and then we have the spat when flying the flag was normalised.

Insecurity, no other reason in the world for it.

Junkyard Tom

30-40 years

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Paisley said many times that he was a proud Irishman which is great

What's great about it? No individual shoulders more responsibility for stoking the flames of conflict than that monster.

Junkyard Tom

30-40 years

downcow wrote: »

There are plenty of sad bastards around https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.newsletter.co.uk/news/bomb-was-attack-walkers-memory-1000628%3famp

Whataboutery and not remotely equivalent.

Does it bother you that the vast majority of names of locations in the north are derived of the Irish language?

Runaways

10-15 years

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Whataboutery and not remotely equivalent.

Does it bother you that the vast majority of names of locations in the north are derived of the Irish language?

Up Down!

jm08

20-30 years

downcow wrote: »

There are plenty of sad bastards around https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.newsletter.co.uk/news/bomb-was-attack-walkers-memory-1000628%3famp

Not the same thing at all. I wouldn't expect a statue to Eamonn De Valera/or the Pope to last too long looking down on the Shankill Road!

The biggest laugh of all was unionists forcing McDonalds to change a sign that said 'Yield' to 'Give Way', because 'Yield' is used in the Republic.

BonnieSituation

20-30 years

downcow wrote: »

So are you telling me that if the French government offered everyone in Northern Ireland a French passport if they wanted one. You would then tell us we were all definitely French?
It really is irrelevant to me what the ROI government offer me with regard to passports. It does not change who I am

Why do people even bother anymore when this is the level of deliberate beligerance you're dealing with.

It's a waste of time.

BonnieSituation

20-30 years

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Whataboutery and not remotely equivalent.

Does it bother you that the vast majority of names of locations in the north are derived of the Irish language?

We went through the "An Dún" thing a while ago.

It's rather pointless. I've just read the last 8 pages of nonsense and the strawmen, whataboutery and the sheer lack of intelligence shown was incredible.

If we start treating DC like we should all beligerent unionists, this place will get noticeably quieter. It'll be bliss.

Runaways

10-15 years

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Why do people even bother anymore when this is the level of deliberate beligerance you're dealing with.

It's a waste of time.

If it doesn’t change who he is By down Cows own logic it will make no difference to him if Ireland is united

Now we are getting somewhere

Fuascailteoir

Good man Keith. Still at it all these years later but the depth of discussion is still at the same level

blinding

10-15 years

I wonder does downcow regret his forbears coming to Ireland ? It looks like he has never settled in.

downcow

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

What's great about it? No individual shoulders more responsibility for stoking the flames of conflict than that monster.

Ironically I am with you on this junkyard and I can’t understand why so many on here are using him as a basis for their argument.
Although it would be scapegoating a little to place it all on him. There were many many others eg Adams, Maginnis, Adair, wright, etc etc

downcow

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Whataboutery and not remotely equivalent.

Does it bother you that the vast majority of names of locations in the north are derived of the Irish language?

Not in the slightest. I enjoy the names and their associated meanings. Part of my history and heritage.
You just don’t get it. I don’t dislike Irish. It’s how it is used. In a community like mine sf have been pushing for decades to make me feel an outsider and inferior (you can see it on here time and again).
I have nationalist friends who speak and love Irish and I think they should be given ample support to follow that interest. Which they are.
I guess you don’t dislike music but when it is used to make you feel inferior it’s completely inappropriate

downcow

jm08 wrote: »

Not the same thing at all. I wouldn't expect a statue to Eamonn De Valera/or the Pope to last too long looking down on the Shankill Road!

The biggest laugh of all was unionists forcing McDonalds to change a sign that said 'Yield' to 'Give Way', because 'Yield' is used in the Republic.

Didn’t know about this.
But I don’t think unionists would have the authority to demand such a change on McDs. But if McDs learnt, what you don’t seem to get, that it was a chill factor to many customers then I could see why they would change it.

downcow

BonnieSituation wrote: »

We went through the "An Dún" thing a while ago.

It's rather pointless. I've just read the last 8 pages of nonsense and the strawmen, whataboutery and the sheer lack of intelligence shown was incredible.

If we start treating DC like we should all beligerent unionists, this place will get noticeably quieter. It'll be bliss.

Get the belligerent blinkers off Bonnie

downcow

Michelle O’Neill was shocking on gmu bbc radio Ulster this morning.
Simply unbelievable. When she was completely stuck with the questions about the road map ahead she said it was not her responsibility. . The interviewer was shocked even by sf normal ducking. He said “you are the joint first minister of the executive!”
SF just simply are not ready for power. They can snipe and blame others but take zero responsibility.
Worth a listen She was on about 8.20am

If you ever let them into power in roi you will not have your sorrows to seek

munsterlegend

downcow wrote: »

Michelle O’Neill was shocking on gmu bbc radio Ulster this morning.
Simply unbelievable. When she was completely stuck with the questions about the road map ahead she said it was not her responsibility. . The interviewer was shocked even by sf normal ducking. He said “you are the joint first minister of the executive!”
SF just simply are not ready for power. They can snipe and blame others but take zero responsibility.
Worth a listen She was on about 8.20am

If you ever let them into power in roi you will not have your sorrows to seek

I doubt no matter what she said you’d be impressed. At least she turns up for interview as opposed to the PM of UK ducking and diving.

I am no supporter of SF but Mary Lou would rip to shreds any politician up north. I am surprised the DUP aren’t advising people to go to their pastor for a cure.