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How long before Irish reunification?

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    #8702
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,626 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    Runaways wrote: »
    Where to even start with that


    So you’re British when it suits you

    Laughable

    Not when it suits. All the time.

    same as I would not question the Irishness of those who accept payment from UK


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    #8703
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,626 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    munsterlegend wrote: »
    Talks about trying to welcome players from nationalist community who identify as Irish to play with the north and then refers to them as a British team. Shows his bona fides about anthem change.

    Its just how it is. They are a British team as are Scotland, wales and England


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    #8704
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    10-15 years
    downcow wrote: »
    Not when it suits. All the time.

    same as I would not question the Irishness of those who accept payment from UK


    So you’re a plastic brit

    Interesting

    One thing Emma’s victory has done is be a huge Victory for everyone in Northern Ireland

    Somehow I doubt more hardline unionists and DUP et cetera will see it that way though


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    #8705
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    10-15 years
    downcow wrote: »
    Its just how it is. They are a British team as are Scotland, wales and England


    They aren’t though

    If they were there be just one team. Britain. and there’s not there’s four


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    #8706
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 38,572 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Ulster Says No. It will never happen
    Runaways wrote:
    So you’re British when it suits you
    No he is using a legal loophole to make travelling easier just like anybody in the Republic of Ireland could get a British passport if your grandparents were born before the foundation of the Irish state which makes travel easier to Commonwealth countries.


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    #8707
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 38,572 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Ulster Says No. It will never happen
    Just on a UI, if it did happen I think we'd need a new flag and national anthem among many things that would have to change.
    I hope it doesn't happen in my lifetime but if it did there'd be so much that would have to change in the Republic to accommodate the Unionist supporters and make them feel welcome.


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    #8708
    daithi7
    Registered Users Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭daithi7


    We can't afford the nordies...

    And whether we should ever want to even consider it, is a very valid question imho....

    Their in fighting backwards looking ways and retarded economy, publically funded state. Good luck to them!!


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    #8709
    munsterlegend
    Registered Users Posts: 6,186 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    Runaways wrote: »
    They aren’t though

    If they were there be just one team. Britain. and there’s not there’s four

    True and even in the Olympics it’s GB & NI. Though most up there play for team Ireland anyway.


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    #8710
    munsterlegend
    Registered Users Posts: 6,186 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    daithi7 wrote: »
    We can't afford the nordies...

    And whether we should even want to is a very valid question imho....

    Their in fighting backwards looking ways and retarded economy, publically funded state. Good luck to them!!

    Unfortunately those that are extreme get a lot more attention than they warrant. I have met many moderate unionists who have lived and worked in Dublin who have had no issue going to Croke park and have little interest in religion. While they have a strong sense of British identity and believe they are better with the union they also are pragmatic and accept it may not always be that way.


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    #8711
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,626 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    munsterlegend wrote: »
    Unfortunately those that are extreme get a lot more attention than they warrant. I have met many moderate unionists who have lived and worked in Dublin who have had no issue going to Croke park and have little interest in religion. While they have a strong sense of British identity and believe they are better with the union they also are pragmatic and accept it may not always be that way.

    I think I tick all those boxes


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    #8712
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,626 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    One big eye-opener for me since getting involved in this forum, is the level of insecurity amongst many on here who aspire to a united Ireland. Their desperate need to convince anyone who is British lives in this island that they somehow are not British.
    I can't imagine the same people have the same need to convince a French person living here and holding a French passport, that they are actually not French.
    You need to relax, realise that the GFA has outlined what will happen if you ever get a majority that want united Ireland. I am actually not sure what you're trying to convince yourselves of


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    #8713
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 38,572 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Ulster Says No. It will never happen
    downcow wrote:
    I can't imagine the same people have the same need to convince a French person living here and holding a French passport, that they are actually not French.
    That's not the same thing at all. A person born in any part of Ireland that is loyal to and wants to be part of the French union is not French. They can be considered French Unionists but they are Irish or Northern Irish. Same as you can be considered a British Unionist. You are not British though imo, you are Northern Irish or Irish whichever suits you best.
    Being a British Unionist is your ideology not your nationality.


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    #8714
    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users Posts: 3,260 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Just on a UI, if it did happen I think we'd need a new flag and national anthem among many things that would have to change.
    I hope it doesn't happen in my lifetime but if it did there'd be so much that would have to change in the Republic to accommodate the Unionist supporters and make them feel welcome.

    Make them feel welcome :(

    Well if this thread is anything to go by they will either be wiped out, outbred or exiled to GB from whence they came a few hundred years ago, then we wouldn't have to even think about changing our beloved Anthem or flag (just to include them) :)

    PS: They are British.


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    #8715
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,202 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    Make them feel welcome :(

    Well if this thread is anything to go by they will either be wiped out, outbred or exiled to GB from whence they came a few hundred years ago,

    Where are you getting that in this thread?


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    #8716
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,626 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    eagle eye wrote: »
    That's not the same thing at all. A person born in any part of Ireland that is loyal to and wants to be part of the French union is not French. They can be considered French Unionists but they are Irish or Northern Irish. Same as you can be considered a British Unionist. You are not British though imo, you are Northern Irish or Irish whichever suits you best.
    Being a British Unionist is your ideology not your nationality.

    You must know the nonsense of what you're saying. I have a UK of GB & NI passport.
    So really you can think or wish whatever you like but I am clearly British.
    You are demonstrating exactly then security I am talking about.

    Maybe you could tell me what you think makes someone British?


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    #8717
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,202 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    downcow wrote: »
    You must know the nonsense of what you're saying. I have a UK of GB & NI passport.
    So really you can think or wish whatever you like but I am clearly British.
    You are demonstrating exactly then security I am talking about.

    Maybe you could tell me what you think makes someone British?

    And when you hand over your new Irish passport you are Irish.

    Passports are issued when you meet citizenship requirements which is what you will do to get an Irish one, English people who meet the requirements will get one too. Same with a British passport.


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    #8718
    blinding
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    10-15 years
    downcow wrote: »
    I would have no qualms about ‘using’ an Irish passport. I won’t feel the slightest bit more Irish, but I will have all the being it’s when I travel Europe to follow my beloved british team, Northern Ireland.
    It’s a no brainier to get one of you are eligible. Just really an enhanced insurance
    You’ll be grand in a United Ireland.


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    #8719
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    10-15 years
    downcow wrote: »
    I would have no qualms about ‘using’ an Irish passport. I won’t feel the slightest bit more Irish, but I will have all the being it’s when I travel Europe to follow my beloved british team, Northern Ireland.
    It’s a no brainier to get one of you are eligible. Just really an enhanced insurance
    They would be a United Kingdom of Britain and Northern Ireland team.


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    #8720
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 38,572 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Ulster Says No. It will never happen
    downcow wrote:
    You must know the nonsense of what you're saying. I have a UK of GB & NI passport. So really you can think or wish whatever you like but I am clearly British. You are demonstrating exactly then security I am talking about.
    I'm not for a United Ireland though. I have no insecurities as regards my it anybody else's nationality, ideology etc.
    You have it in your post there, GB and 'NI'. Surely it'd be just GB if you were a part of Great Britain?
    downcow wrote:
    Maybe you could tell me what you think makes someone British?
    Being born on the island of Britain.


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    #8721
    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users Posts: 3,260 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Talking of passports, there are different kinds depending on if you are a British citizen or not, and as regards UK citizens, they all have the same British passport in England, Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland.

    Overseas territories have their own versions of the British passport which is not the same as a UK one.

    eagle eye, what are you doing, who are you to tell a people what their Nationality is.


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    #8722
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,626 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    eagle eye wrote: »
    I'm not for a United Ireland though. I have no insecurities as regards my it anybody else's nationality, ideology etc.
    You have it in your post there, GB and 'NI'. Surely it'd be just GB if you were a part of Great Britain?


    Being born on the island of Britain.

    I was not born in Britain, nor do I live in Britain. I was born and live in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
    I am just not sure which bit of this you do not understand. Anyone born in the United Kingdom is British. If you are born in the Northern Irish bit then the ROI government have kindly guaranteed, that if you request it, they will provide you with an Irish passport.

    We can be either nationality, but our default position is British.

    Is there a piece of this you cannot get your head around.
    Next you'll be telling us that the people who live on Aran Island are not Irish?


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    #8723
    Runaways
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    10-15 years
    downcow wrote: »
    I think I tick all those boxes

    Eeehhhhhhh

    Your entire contribution to this thread and your own posting history Calls lie to that


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    #8724
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 38,572 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Ulster Says No. It will never happen
    Hamsterchops wrote:
    eagle eye, what are you doing, who are you to tell a people what their Nationality is.
    Your nationality is where you were born. If you are born on the island of Great Britain you are British, if you are born in the Isle of Man you are Manx, if you were born on the Orkneys you are Orcadian, Shetland born are Shetlanders ergo Northern Ireland born are Northern Irish or just Irish if they prefer.


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    #8725
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    10-15 years
    downcow wrote: »
    You must know the nonsense of what you're saying. I have a UK of GB & NI passport.
    So really you can think or wish whatever you like but I am clearly British.
    You are demonstrating exactly then security I am talking about.

    Maybe you could tell me what you think makes someone British?

    You also have an Irish passport according to yourself

    You are troll comedy gold down Cow


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    #8726
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 38,572 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Ulster Says No. It will never happen
    Runaways wrote:
    You also have an Irish passport according to yourself
    You are troll comedy gold down Cow
    He puts a lot more time and effort into his posts than you. I think this post of yours is a description of what you accuse him of.


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    #8727
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    10-15 years
    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    Talking of passports, there are different kinds depending on if you are a British citizen or not, and as regards UK citizens, they all have the same British passport in England, Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland.

    Overseas territories have their own versions of the British passport which is not the same as a UK one.

    eagle eye, what are you doing, who are you to tell a people what their Nationality is.

    You should go to London and try spend some Ulster bank £20 notes

    They won’t take them anywhere But yeah tell us about the precious union don’t make me laugh


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    #8728
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 38,572 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Ulster Says No. It will never happen
    Runaways wrote:
    They won’t take them anywhere But yeah tell us about the precious union don’t make me laugh
    More horse manure.Good man.


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    #8729
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    10-15 years
    eagle eye wrote: »
    He puts a lot more time and effort into his posts than you. I think this post of yours is a description of what you accuse him of.

    Everyone else takes him Relatively seriously he needs pointing at and laughing asked for the stupidity he very often comes out with


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    #8730
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,202 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    eagle eye wrote: »
    He puts a lot more time and effort into his posts than you. I think this post of yours is a description of what you accuse him of.


    Downcow just defeated his own argument re; Passports though. It was comedy gold to see it.


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    #8731
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 38,572 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Ulster Says No. It will never happen
    There's no need for anybody to troll him though. He is a long time around and deserves respect.


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