How long before Irish reunification?

Triangle

Runaways wrote: »

We spend three times more on the hse than ni would cost us annually

With the housing crisis, health crisis and climate crisis all needing investment. I think an ideology like investing in an United Ireland is way down on the vast majority of people's wish list of things to get done.

Runaways

10-15 years

Triangle wrote: »

With the housing crisis, health crisis and climate crisis all needing investment. I think an ideology like investing in an United Ireland is way down on the vast majority of people's wish list of things to get done.

We’re all aware of that and still a UI is overwhelming ffor yes in polls.
It doesn’t hhave to be either or
We can do all this at the same time
We already do

downcow

Runaways wrote: »

Post UI unionists will be grand and granted special ethic status protected in the constitution.

Up to them now to engage with the conversation and make their needs known or they’ll be left behind

This is all only going one way
Therell be a United Ireland
Folks would want to get used to it

It is a pity for your aspirations that every poll is head of the other direction

Runaways

10-15 years

We need not post that video of
DUP members shouting and roaring outside stormmont that Ulster would never forgive those who signed the GFA

On the very day it was signed

The woman in question is still in the DUP

Runaways

10-15 years

downcow wrote: »

It is a pity for your aspirations that every poll is head of the other direction

Your use of English never fails to amaze

CAre to link to your polls?

The final one here is from the uk

The Brits don t want Northern Ireland no matter what way you look at it

downcow

This will all melt away like every argument raised by Republicans this thread.
The latest 10 page rant about Northern Ireland not being a state has faded away as soon as the question was asked:
please explain why Scotland is a country and Northern Ireland is not?

downcow

Runaways wrote: »

Your use of English never fails to amaze

CAre to link to your polls?

The final one here is from the uk

The Brits don t want Northern Ireland no matter what way you look at it

Sometimes I just talked to my computer and it does the typing. Hence some silly mistakes

Hamsterchops

Runaways wrote: »

Obviously but also obvious to all what your post was attempting to do

What I'm despirately trying to do is to shoot down Francies assertion that violence paid off, and that Adams and Co were rewarded in the elections pre the 1998 agreement.

And so it was John Hume (SDLP) who made the agreement on behalf of the Nationalist side, and not Gerry Adams.

I remember this well.

SF may have overtaken the SDLP in the 2001 NI elections, but only after the PIRA had agreed to desist from their campaign of violence.

John Hume & Seamus Mallon led the SDLP as the largest Nationalist party in NI during the Troubles.

Runaways

10-15 years

downcow wrote: »

Sometimes I just talked to my computer and it does the typing. Hence some silly mistakes

Same
Havve a broken screen right now it’s such a pain

Redgirl82

Runaways wrote: »

We spend three times more on the hse than ni would cost us annually

So the plan is take money from the HSE, drive up death rate to pay for Northern Ireland?

Not really a great plan

jm08

20-30 years

Hamsterchops wrote: »

A picture with Bill Clinton.

Adams brought in from the cold, post agreement.

It wouldn't have happened without Adams and McGuinness, just like it didn't really happen until the DUP gave in (about 10 years later).

Redgirl82

Runaways wrote: »

Your use of English never fails to amaze

CAre to link to your polls?

The final one here is from the uk

The Brits don t want Northern Ireland no matter what way you look at it

Neither does the Rep of Ireland

downcow

Runaways wrote: »

Your use of English never fails to amaze

CAre to link to your polls?

The final one here is from the uk

The Brits don t want Northern Ireland no matter what way you look at it

Here you go - and I have given you an Irish News link on it so as you would not claim it was spin.
Also interestingly, the same poll shows that only 36% of people in Northern Ireland support an Irish language act - something else you have been claiming that I am some sort of extreme minority for opposing it.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/02/19/news/less-than-a-third-of-people-said-they-would-back-irish-unity-in-a-border-poll-1846078/

Runaways

10-15 years

Hamsterchops wrote: »

What I'm despirately trying to do is to shoot down Francies assertion that violence paid off, and that Adams and Co were rewarded in the elections pre the 1998 agreement.

And so it was John Hume (SDLP) who made the agreement on behalf of the Nationalist side, and not Gerry Adams.

I remember this well.

SF may have overtaken the SDLP in the 2001 NI elections, but only after the PIRA had agreed to desist from their campaign of violence.

John Hume & Seamus Mallon led the SDLP as the largest Nationalist party in NI during the Troubles.

You need to read about the Canary Wharf bomb
It caused £1.5 billion in damage
It forced the Brits to change tack and negotiate a peace
So yes violence did work
Hit them in the pocket hard meant they finnnally had to talk.
Telling that economic damage meant more to Britain than human
Lives lost

Lllooking over there now and they haven’t changed at all on that front

FrancieBrady

downcow wrote: »

This will all melt away like every argument raised by Republicans this thread.
The latest 10 page rant about Northern Ireland not being a state has faded away as soon as the question was asked:
please explain why Scotland is a country and Northern Ireland is not?

Definition of a Country
The basic definition of a country is a distinct political entity and a sovereign state. The International Organization for Standardization is the body that is tasked with determining the number of internationally-accepted countries in the world. There are about 206 sovereign countries in the world, 193 of which are members of the United Nations. Northern Ireland is not among these internationally-accepted countries and is instead considered as a province of the United Kingdom.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/is-northern-ireland-a-country.html

Hamsterchops

Runaways wrote: »

You need to read about the Canary Wharf bomb
It caused £1.5 billion in damage
It forced the Brits to change tack and negotiate a peace
So yes violence did work
Hit them in the pocket hard meant they finnnally had to talk.
Telling that economic damage meant more to Britain than human
Lives lost

Lllooking over there now and they haven’t changed at all on that front

With language like that I presume you are an IRA supporter...

landofthetree

Runaways wrote: »

You need to read about the Canary Wharf bomb
It caused £1.5 billion in damage
It forced the Brits to change tack and negotiate a peace
So yes violence did work
Hit them in the pocket hard meant they finnnally had to talk.
Telling that economic damage meant more to Britain than human
Lives lost

Lllooking over there now and they haven’t changed at all on that front

All the offered was a watered down version of Sunningdale plus loyalist/republican prisoners being let out. Nothing that wasn't on the table in the early 70s.

Now 22 years later NI is still British.


Also by your logic the IRA valued a UI over life. Also pedos like Liam Adams ahead of victims.

The reality is the likes of McGuiness surrendered to save his own ass. He was a dead man walking.

Runaways

10-15 years

Redgirl82 wrote: »

So the plan is take money from the HSE, drive up death rate to pay for Northern Ireland?

Not really a great plan

Who said that

You either have comprehension problems or are willfullly misrepresenting what is said

Over several topics too
Funny thing that

Runaways

10-15 years

Redgirl82 wrote: »

Neither does the Rep of Ireland

The two other polls attached prove you wrong

FrancieBrady

Hamsterchops wrote: »

What I'm despirately trying to do is to shoot down Francies assertion that violence paid off, and that Adams and Co were rewarded in the elections pre the 1998 agreement.

I never asserted that to begin with.

And so it was John Hume (SDLP) who made the agreement on behalf of the Nationalist side, and not Gerry Adams.

Jesus the delusion on this is bizarre.
The GFA ( the British- Irish agreement) was between the UK and Ireland and was signed by the Taoiseach and the British Pm...nobody else.

John Hume did NOT make any agreement on behalf of nationalists.
John Hume signed up to the Multi Party Agreement on behalf of the party he led, the SDLP, as did Gerry Adams for SF and Trimble for The UUP.

I remember this well.

You don't 'remember' any such thing because it never happened. Like you did on the 'support for SF' you have deluded yourself.

SF may have overtaken the SDLP in the 2001 NI elections, but only after the PIRA had agreed to desist from their campaign of violence.

Completely and profoundly wrong.

Like downcow, when faced with the actual backed up facts, you decide 'not to engage'.

Runaways

10-15 years

Hamsterchops wrote: »

With language like that I presume you are an IRA supporter...

You’re gas

And wrong. Yet again
Wouldn’t support them then or now

BBut by all means try evvade and ignore what I said and make accusations

You llot are so predictable

Same lame insults same inability to actually debate or even construct a point

blinding

10-15 years

After a few years in a United Ireland Unionists and everyone else will be saying what the hell was all the fuss about ! !

Hamsterchops

FrancieBrady wrote: »

John Hume did NOT make any agreement on behalf of nationalists.
John Hume signed up to the Multi Party Agreement on behalf of the party he led, the SDLP, as did Gerry Adams for SF and Trimble for The UUP.

And who's hands did Bono hold aloft?

Answer that one Francie, if you can.

FrancieBrady

Hamsterchops wrote: »

And who's hands did Bono hold aloft?

Answer that one Francie, if you can.

Bono?

WTF has Bono got to do with it?

Bono gets on another populist bandwagon...so fecking what?

YOU stated (wrongly again) that Hume 'made the agreement on behalf of nationalists'.

Will you withdraw this as I have shown the truth of the matter - Hume signed the Multi Party Agreement (CLUE is in the title of the agreement) on behalf of the party he represented The SDLP.

*Nobody is negating the work and leap Hume made to recognise who needed to be at the table to achieve anything.

jm08

20-30 years

downcow wrote: »

This will all melt away like every argument raised by Republicans this thread.
The latest 10 page rant about Northern Ireland not being a state has faded away as soon as the question was asked:
please explain why Scotland is a country and Northern Ireland is not?

This should explain it to you.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/is-northern-ireland-a-country.html



In short, Northern Ireland has never been a country, while Scotland (and Ireland) have been (Kingdom of Scotland, Kingdom of Ireland, Principality of Wales) were united in various unions with the Kingdom of England).


Furthermore, the International Organisation for Standardization, under the UK lists Scotland as a Country and Northern Ireland a Province. Scotland has a Parliament while Northern Ireland has an Assembly. Scotland's Parliament seems to have more powers than either the NI or Welsh Assemblies.

Runaways

10-15 years

jm08 wrote: »

This should explain it to you.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/is-northern-ireland-a-country.html



In short, Northern Ireland has never been a country, while Scotland (and Ireland) have been (Kingdom of Scotland, Kingdom of Ireland, Principality of Wales) were united in various unions with the Kingdom of England).


Furthermore, the International Organisation for Standardization, under the UK lists Scotland as a Country and Northern Ireland a Province. Scotland has a Parliament while Northern Ireland has an Assembly. Scotland's Parliament seems to have more powers than either the NI or Welsh Assemblies.

Would love if downcow et al would actually read and respond to the this



Alas they disappear when presented with facts

Hamsterchops

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Bono?

WTF has Bono got to do with it?

Bono gets on another populist bandwagon...so fecking what?

YOU stated (wrongly again) that Hume 'made the agreement on behalf of nationalists'.
in the title of the agreement) on behalf of the party he represented The SDLP.

John Hume was the leader of Northern Ireland Nationalism, while Adams was a unsavoury character who demanded to be included in the talks, otherwise he may not request that his mates disarm. Adams will never be half that man that Hume was...

PS: The SDLP was the biggest Nationalist NI party at the time of the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement.

FrancieBrady

Hamsterchops wrote: »

John Hume was the leader of Northern Ireland Nationalism, while Adams was a unsavoury character who demanded to be included in the talks, otherwise he may not request that his mates disarm. Adams will never be half that man that Hume was...

PS: The SDLP was the biggest Nationalist NI party at the time of the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement.

So you have zilch to back up that Hume signed up on 'behalf of Nationalists'.

Hume signed up on behalf of The SDLP.

Now you double down on deluded notions that Adams 'demanded to be included'?

Hume's achievement for which he deserves much praise, (even if his own party resisted him and forced him to do a solo run on it) was to persuade SF to come to the table. But now you want to take that away from him. Bizarre.

I was checking a fact there and came across this, which shows exactly what they SDLP in the person of Seamus Mallon was 'concerned' about in the talks.
Suprisingly it wasn't a fear that the talks would break down or that peace wouldn't be achieved it was:

“[Deputy leader Seamus] Mallon made clear SDLP awareness of Sinn Féin’s strategy of gobbling them up politically.”

Mallon was bitter about that until the end. the 'party' came before peace and stability, even in the cauldron of the negotiations. (He shoulda brought Bono in to save them. )

Hamsterchops

There's no debate to be had.

At the time of the GFA 1998, the SDLP was the largest NI Nationalist party. SF (who supported violence) did not emerge as the largest Nationalist/ Republican party until 2001, after the killing had stopped.....

FACT.

Just accept it Francie.

Edgware

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So you have zilch to back up that Hume signed up on 'behalf of Nationalists'.

Hume signed up on behalf of The SDLP.

Now you double down on deluded notions that Adams 'demanded to be included'?

Hume's achievement for which he deserves much praise, (even if his own party resisted him and forced him to do a solo run on it) was to persuade SF to come to the table. But now you want to take that away from him. Bizarre.

I was checking a fact there and came across this, which shows exactly what they SDLP in the person of Seamus Mallon was 'concerned' about in the talks.
Suprisingly it wasn't a fear that the talks would break down or that peace wouldn't be achieved it was:



Mallon was bitter about that until the end. the 'party' came before peace and stability, even in the cauldron of the negotiations. (He shoulda brought Bono in to save them. )

Seamus Mallon had more Republicanism in his little finger than Adams had in his whole body. Adams has no concept of the true meaning of Republicanism