How long before Irish reunification?

BonnieSituation

20-30 years

eagle eye wrote: »

I put the Republic of Ireland first so I'm a Republican and I'll own that. I'm not a patitionist s you call it either, I'm against it in the short to medium term for financial and security reasons, not forever.

I've finally got to a laptop so have the opportunity to put up links. So here you go....
This is a study from Trinity College which puts the cost at £30 billion
I'm not believing any figures from a politician that's been proven to be bull.

You're a republican because you say so?

That word you're trying to own already has a well understood definition. Are you going to try and "claim it back"?

There is a perfectly defined word for you, Partitionist. You are a Partitionist. I don't see why this is now an issue.

BonnieSituation

20-30 years

downcow wrote: »

Redgirl. The problem with you is that you are producing clear factual evidence. My experience is that there is a small number of Unionist haters on here who detest clear factual evidence.
You are showing great patience with them

Where's the clear factual evidence?

BonnieSituation

20-30 years

downcow wrote: »

The only real Republican is one who agrees with Bonnie's belief of what landmass it should constitute. I think he is telling you that the Republic of Ireland is not a republic

So today's strawman is redefining the word republican?

You're not a unionist, because you don't want to see Ireland unified and because I say so.

See, we can all play this game.

BonnieSituation

20-30 years

BloodyBill wrote: »

There is so much at stake that the best option is to do nothing at all. Arent Ireland and Northern Ireland getting on just grand as we are? Little violence and people getting on with their lives. The Catholic population seems to have regained their confidence. However they really need to row in behind Stormont and not undermine the Institutions. These spats over the Irish language were unedifying. And Dont bring up unufication at all would be my advice.
I dread the day that there will ever be a need to have a referendum on unification. Theres nothing to gain except strife. As Sean would say 'up here in the UK' things are going allright in 2020

So you've nothing to worry about from a referendum.

eagle eye

Ulster Says No. It will never happen

BonnieSituation wrote:

There is a perfectly defined word for you, Partitionist. You are a Partitionist. I don't see why this is now an issue.

A partitions no at is somebody who doesn't want a UI, that doesn't include me as I've said. I'm against it short and medium term for security and financial reason not forever.

BonnieSituation wrote:

That word you're trying to own already has a well understood definition. Are you going to try and "claim it back"?

People who have wanted a UI for many years have always been known as nationalists to me.

BonnieSituation wrote:

You're a republican because you say so?

I'm a Republican bevause that's the best description of somebody who puts the Republic of Ireland first.


And I notice you have no comments as regards the links I put up to the Trinity study or the debunking of SF's costing of a UI.

BonnieSituation

20-30 years

eagle eye wrote: »

A partitions no at is somebody who doesn't want a UI, that doesn't include me as I've said. I'm against it short and medium term for security and financial reason not forever.


People who have wanted a UI for many years have always been known as nationalists to me.



I'm a Republican bevause that's the best description of somebody who puts the Republic of Ireland first.


And I notice you have no comments as regards the links I put up to the Trinity study or the debunking of SF's costing of a UI.

Oh you saw through my ignorance. Dammit, got me again.

I haven't read it yet, I will in time.

There's so much to unpack.

I'm just very curious about your dancing on a pin because of this Republican v Partitionist nonsense. You're now adding Nationalist into the mix for good measure. Did you only figure this out as a line of argument this past weekend? Because I've called you a Partitionist before and you didnt bring this new nomenclature up.

eagle eye

Ulster Says No. It will never happen

BonnieSituation wrote:

Because I've called you a Partitionist before and you didnt bring this new nomenclature up.

I really couldn't care less what you call me l. I know what I am and that's all that matters to me.

Redgirl82

downcow wrote: »

Redgirl. The problem with you is that you are producing clear factual evidence. My experience is that there is a small number of Unionist haters on here who detest clear factual evidence.
You are showing great patience with them

Would I like a unified Ireland? yes but once it caters for everyone in Ireland. North, South, East, West. Of course critical are unionist. I think that was clear in the Good Friday that everyone had to agree.

I do not want to have a Unified Ireland where are vilifying a whole community who as as much part of Ireland as everyone else.

Or a Unified Ireland which ends up with huge sections of North in a worse position than they are in today.

Redgirl82

BonnieSituation wrote: »

You're a republican because you say so?

That word you're trying to own already has a well understood definition. Are you going to try and "claim it back"?

There is a perfectly defined word for you, Partitionist. You are a Partitionist. I don't see why this is now an issue.

Why do you think it is up to you to call people XYZ?

BonnieSituation

20-30 years

eagle eye wrote: »

I really couldn't care less what you call me l. I know what I am and that's all that matters to me.

You're not coming in here and redefining words. It's bizarre.

BonnieSituation

20-30 years

Redgirl82 wrote: »

Why do you think it is up to you to call people XYZ?

I now define all of the words?

Oh my God. Will you please stop.

jm08

20-30 years

eagle eye wrote: »

And I notice you have no comments as regards the links I put up to the Trinity study or the debunking of SF's costing of a UI.

An interesting read. The major problem they have with NI is the lack of investment in particular in infrastructure and education (which results in a skills shortage) and one of the main reasons why NI is not attracting FDI. They say these require major investment and that the British Government are the ones who should cough up for them!


As for the other link - the conclusion:

Conclusion
While there may be some truth to Sinn Fein’s claim – considering all the variables – that reunification might not be as costly for the citizens of the Republic of Ireland as normally believed, in the short term several economic studies point towards a higher initial cost than £2.7 billion. We therefore conclude that the claim is false.

In other words, everyone is guessing.

eagle eye

Ulster Says No. It will never happen

BonnieSituation wrote:

You're not coming in here and redefining words. It's bizarre.

You won't decide what I am or am not. I'll decide what I want to be.

BonnieSituation

20-30 years

Redgirl82 wrote: »

Would I like a unified Ireland? yes but once it caters for everyone in Ireland. North, South, East, West. Of course critical are unionist. I think that was clear in the Good Friday that everyone had to agree.

I do not want to have a Unified Ireland where are vilifying a whole community who as as much part of Ireland as everyone else.

Or a Unified Ireland which ends up with huge sections of North in a worse position than they are in today.

Why would parts of the north be worse off in a UI?

BonnieSituation

20-30 years

eagle eye wrote: »

You won't decide what I am or am not. I'll decide what I want to be.

Good for you. But you don't get to redefine words. You don't get to do that.

eagle eye

Ulster Says No. It will never happen

jm08 wrote:

In other words, everyone is guessing.

No, they didn't say that. All they say is that SF's figure is wrong and it will he more expensive than that.

jm08

20-30 years

eagle eye wrote: »

You won't decide what I am or am not. I'll decide what I want to be.

As an Irish republican, do you identify with the 1916 Proclaimation?

eagle eye

Ulster Says No. It will never happen

BonnieSituation wrote:

Good for you. But you don't get to redefine words. You don't get to do that.

Partitionism is a word that was used for those who wanted a border back at the start of the last century.
Anybody who wants things to remain as they are are not partitionists. They are not looking to partition anything.
So I'm not redefining words, I'm just correcting it's use here.

jm08

20-30 years

eagle eye wrote: »

No, they didn't say that. All they say is that SF's figure is wrong and it will he more expensive than that.

How much more expensive?

eagle eye

Ulster Says No. It will never happen

I put up a link to a very good study and it estimates it at £30 billion.

BonnieSituation

20-30 years

eagle eye wrote: »

Partitionism is a word that was used for those who wanted a border back at the start of the last century.
Anybody who wants things to remain as they are are not partitionists. They are not looking to partition anything.
So I'm not redefining words, I'm just correcting it's use here.

You're correcting the use of Partitionist by redefining Republican?

Dig up.

eagle eye

Ulster Says No. It will never happen

BonnieSituation wrote:

You're correcting the use of Partitionist by redefining Republican?

My last post doesn't mention anything about Republicanism.

jm08

20-30 years

eagle eye wrote: »

I put up a link to a very good study and it estimates it at £30 billion.

I can't find where it says £30 billion (in the Trinity Study). All I can come up with is:

On the basis of the 2016 figures, in a united Ireland, if Northern Ireland did not take on a share of the UK’s existing net liabilities, the total Northern Ireland deficit would have amounted to around £6.9 billion or around €8.4 billion.If, instead they did take on a share of the UK’s net liabilities the deficit would be £8 billion (€9.8 billion)

BonnieSituation

20-30 years

eagle eye wrote: »

My last post doesn't mention anything about Republicanism.

You've been calling yourself a republican for the last few hours. You can't be for real!

eagle eye

Ulster Says No. It will never happen

jm08 wrote:

I can't find where it says £30 billion (in the Trinity Study). All I can come up with is:

Page 35 or 36 I think. Somewhere around there for sure.

eagle eye

Ulster Says No. It will never happen

BonnieSituation wrote:

You've been calling yourself a republican for the last few hours. You can't be for real!

Well I just explained to you what a partitionist actually is and you haven't refuted that.

Redgirl82

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Why would parts of the north be worse off in a UI?

Read the thread. This was already discussed in detail

BonnieSituation

20-30 years

eagle eye wrote: »

Well I just explained to you what a partitionist actually is and you haven't refuted that.

Literally, what?

You've spent hours trying yourself in knots trying to call yourself a Republican and getting shirty when you're called a Partitionist.

You're now saying that a Partitionist is solely someone who wanted Partition in the earlier part of the 20th century and not someone who wants a continuation of the British border in Ireland ie. the continued existence of the status quo of partition. I have to refute that, but yet we need to accept your (re)definition of a Republican?

Honestly man, do you ever read this stuff before you post it?

BonnieSituation

20-30 years

Redgirl82 wrote: »

Read the thread. This was already discussed in detail

Was it now? Grand. If you can't easily find it it must not be worth discussing further and we'll have to take your word on it? Isn't that how this game works?

eagle eye

Ulster Says No. It will never happen

BonnieSituation wrote:

You're now saying that a Partitionist is solely someone who wanted Partition in the earlier part of the 20th century and not someone who wants a continuation of the British border in Ireland ie. the continued existence of the status quo of partition. I have to refute that, but yet we need to accept your (re)definition of a Republican?

Yes, a partitionist is a person who wants to create a partition not somebody who doesn't want to create a partition.
If you want to use the word you could call yourself an unpartitionist maybe.