How long before Irish reunification?

BonnieSituation

20-30 years

eagle eye wrote: »

Yes, a partitionist is a person who wants to create a partition not somebody who doesn't want to create a partition.
If you want to use the word you could call yourself an unpartitionist maybe.

Please just stop. This is becoming embarrassing now.

eagle eye

Ulster Says No. It will never happen

BonnieSituation wrote:

Please just stop. This is becoming embarrassing now.

Yes it's embarrassing for you that's wrong in your use of the word.

jm08

20-30 years

eagle eye wrote: »

Page 35 or 36 I think. Somewhere around there for sure.

Thanks. Found it.

Based on the experience in dealing with the financial crisis in Ireland, to fund this transfer would require a fiscal adjustment in Ireland amounting to cuts or tax increases of €20 billion to €30 billion22.

Isn't that saying how much it would cost to continue funding a subvention on our own with no contribution or investment from UK?

BonnieSituation

20-30 years

eagle eye wrote: »

Yes it's embarrassing for you that's wrong in your use of the word.

Honestly, please stop.

eagle eye

Ulster Says No. It will never happen

jm08 wrote:

Isn't that saying how much it would cost to continue funding a subvention on our own with no contribution or investment from UK?

It's talking in annual terms there not just initially.

Brendan Bendar

jm08

20-30 years

eagle eye wrote: »

Yes, a partitionist is a person who wants to create a partition not somebody who doesn't want to create a partition.
If you want to use the word you could call yourself an unpartitionist maybe.

I think this is a fairly accurate description from Wiki.

The Derry Journal has described partitionism as "a criticism of those in the south who pay lip-service to the ideal of Irish unity but who are smugly comfortable with the 26 county Republic".[1]

Likewise, in his book Luck and the Irish, R. F. Foster used the term partitionism to refer to what Bernard O'Donoghue described as "the tacit acceptance in the South of a border that worked to its economic advantage".[2][3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partitionism

eagle eye

Ulster Says No. It will never happen

BonnieSituation wrote:

Honestly, please stop.

Just admit your use of the word partitionist is incorrect. Be honest with yourself and everybody.

Redgirl82

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Was it now? Grand. If you can't easily find it it must not be worth discussing further and we'll have to take your word on it? Isn't that how this game works?

Read the thread.....thats how it works.

jm08

20-30 years

eagle eye wrote: »

It's talking in annual terms there not just initially.

Its only one of many scenarios that it has come up with.

Junkyard Tom

30-40 years

It would be quite hilarious to witness the collection of oddballs, partitionists, crypto-unionists and actual unionists that would stand together to oppose the ending of partition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lfy5Esue_ls

BonnieSituation

20-30 years

eagle eye wrote: »

Just admit your use of the word partitionist incorrect. Be honest with yourself and everybody.

Okay? And you're a republican? Yeah?

Honestly, my use of words on here is always deliberate. It is not incorrect to call you, former denizen Blanch152 or even RedGirl a Partitionist.

You want partition to continue. You're a Partitionist. Seriously, what's your problem with accepting that?

Typically, in Eagle Eye style is to double down on nonsense and create a new battle.

So today we went from you calling yourself a republican, for some unknown reason, then me telling you that you can't just decide the meaning of words "just cos", and then because that was gaining no traction, you decided that Partitionist doesn't mean what we all have heretofore accepted it to mean for a century and now it means something more narrow and solely refering to the initial act of partition in the 1920s.

So this is where we are.

Honestly, it's maddening having to engage at this level.

Junkyard Tom

15-20 years

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

It would be quite hilarious to witness the collection of oddballs, partitionists, crypto-unionists and actual unionists that would stand together to oppose the ending of partition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lfy5Esue_ls

Support for it polls usually well over 70%,sometimes into the 80s aswell in the free state??

Its baffling to think,partionists think they can speak for us all,when they are a dying breed as support for utd ireland ramps up among younger generations

BonnieSituation

20-30 years

Redgirl82 wrote: »

Read the thread.....thats how it works.

Thank you for explaining how a thread works. Most people engage when they have substantive points to make.

I don't recall any part of a post explaining how parts of the North would be worse off, so I asked where that was. That's how these things work.

If you had the courage of your convictions you'd have posted it by now instead of going back and forth with me about how I should go look for it.

Redgirl82

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Thank you for explaining how a thread works. Most people engage when they have substantive points to make.

I don't recall any part of a post explaining how parts of the North would be worse off, so I asked where that was. That's how these things work.

If you had the courage of your convictions you'd have posted it by now instead of going back and forth with me about how I should go look for it.

Read the thread....

Honestly, it's maddening having to engage at this level

eagle eye

Ulster Says No. It will never happen

Deleted User wrote:

If you favour partition above reunification....surely this is partitionist??

I don't want to split anything up so I'm not a partitionist and I'm in favour of a United Ireland at some stage in the future.

Brendan Bendar

Redgirl82 wrote: »

Read the thread....

Honestly, it's maddening having to engage at this level

Get used to it.........it’s only starting.


Buckle up.

Redgirl82

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Get used to it.........it’s only starting.


Buckle up.

jh79

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If you favour partition above reunification....surely this is partitionist??

(If this description upsets you,its some introspection required,not lashing out at other posters)

It is funny though when those from the Republic are labelled as partitionist when they currently have zero influence on partition yet MON and the rest of the UK branch of SF are taking part in a 6 county pseudo government, on the board of a 6 county police force and even attending COBRA meetings on COVID!

jh79

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They want to be pulling plug on this rubbish

The criteria set out for a border poll has been met imo,time to sh1t or get off the pot for the brits

No hasn't. It has to be likely to succeed.

Redgirl82

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishcentral.com/news/politics/northern-ireland-does-not-support-united-ireland-poll.amp

Interesting what polls say

Redgirl82

Deleted User wrote: »

Quite an interesting anylsis of this exact poll from slugger otoole (trad unionist blog forum)

https://sluggerotoole.com/2020/02/19/the-mystery-of-the-shy-nationalists-online-and-face-to-face-polling-on-irish-unity-continues-to-give-different-results/

So in other words these polls are useless?

FrancieBrady

eagle eye wrote: »

I put up a link to a very good study and it estimates it at £30 billion.

Deleted User wrote: »

Quite an interesting anylsis of this exact poll from slugger otoole (trad unionist blog forum)

https://sluggerotoole.com/2020/02/19/the-mystery-of-the-shy-nationalists-online-and-face-to-face-polling-on-irish-unity-continues-to-give-different-results/

We can all guess why that is.

Redgirl82

15-20 years

Redgirl82 wrote: »

So in other words these polls are useless?

No

But the descrepancy between online and in-person needs to be accounted for

(its believed anon is more accurate ala red.c polls,as these closest represent polling on day,this is fairly basic stuff,id have taught)

Redgirl82

Deleted User wrote: »

No

But the descrepancy between online and in-person needs to be accounted for

(its believed anon is more accurate ala red.c polls,as these closest represent polling on day,this is fairly basic stuff,id have taught)

So basically the poll that gives you the answer You want is right but the poll that doesn’t is wrong?

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

No

But the descrepancy between online and in-person needs to be accounted for

(its believed anon is more accurate ala red.c polls,as these closest represent polling on day,this is fairly basic stuff,id have taught)

Nothing is 'basic' when you have the usual posters piling into the thread claiming that somebody who hasn't produced a single verifiable fact - has produced all he facts.

It is also bizarre to see a report presented by eagle eye that begins with a figure that is based on what the subvention is now, and claims that report confirms their opinion.

FrancieBrady

Redgirl82 wrote: »

So basically the poll that gives you the answer You want is right but the poll that doesn’t is wrong?

If 'Slugger O'Toole' run by the notoriously pro Unionist Mick Fealty can be honest about it, why can you not?

Redgirl82

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If 'Slugger O'Toole' run by the notoriously pro Unionist Mick Fealty can be honest about it, why can you not?

What difference does it make who runs the site? Your obsessed with religion. I thought we got over that with Good Friday.

jh79

What % would mean likely to exceed to ye? I reckon 60%. 5% for margin of error and 5% as a buffer.

FrancieBrady

Redgirl82 wrote: »

What difference does it make who runs the site? Your obsessed with religion. I thought we got over that with Good Friday.

Where did I mention his religion?