How long before Irish reunification?

Randy Archer

jm08 wrote: »

The problem is that this independent Northern Ireland would not be a member of the EU.

You are nuts if you think that any sane nationalist or unionist (small n & u) would even contemplate this.


It would be an absolute disgrace for the ROI to abandon about 1 million of its citizens.

How would ROI be abandoning its citizens ? It’s citizens live in ROI. ROI has no power over any other area.Irish Citizens of other areas, foreign countries , remain Irish citizens and are free to come here ,live here and contribute to this country .

1 million ? There is only 1.8 million up there, barely half consider themselves are Irish only

Redgirl82

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Time for you to do some research.

Anyone agreeing to this and NOT knowing what would happen has made an awful mistake and will need to get the GFA changed.

The Good Friday never allowed for a United Ireland. It allowed a poll/referendum as I have pointed out numerous times here.

Section 1. Status of Northern Ireland.

It is hereby declared that Northern Ireland in its entirety remains part of the United Kingdom and shall not cease to be so without the consent of a majority of the people of Northern Ireland voting in a poll held for the purposes of this section in accordance with Schedule 1.
But if the wish expressed by a majority in such a poll is that Northern Ireland should cease to be part of the United Kingdom and form part of a united Ireland, the Secretary of State shall lay before Parliament such proposals to give effect to that wish as may be agreed between Her Majesty’s Government in the United Kingdom and the Government of Ireland.

FrancieBrady

Redgirl82 wrote: »

The Good Friday never allowed for a United Ireland. It allowed a poll/referendum as I have pointed out numerous times here.

Section 1. Status of Northern Ireland.

It is hereby declared that Northern Ireland in its entirety remains part of the United Kingdom and shall not cease to be so without the consent of a majority of the people of Northern Ireland voting in a poll held for the purposes of this section in accordance with Schedule 1.
But if the wish expressed by a majority in such a poll is that Northern Ireland should cease to be part of the United Kingdom and form part of a united Ireland, the Secretary of State shall lay before Parliament such proposals to give effect to that wish as may be agreed between Her Majesty’s Government in the United Kingdom and the Government of Ireland.

And...if a majority vote for a UI...a UI will happen.

Bend it, twist it, shake it...that is what anyone who voted for the GFA, voted for.

I know it is tough for you guys as the time approaches, but please remain democrats.

FrancieBrady

15-20 years

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And...if a majority vote for a UI...a UI will happen.

Bend it, twist it, shake it...that is what anyone who voted for the GFA, voted for.

I know it is tough for you guys as the time approaches, but please remain democrats.

Its great watching pretend nationlists rattled as they realise,a utd ireland is coming and they are near powerless to stop it

jh79

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Imo we should look after our citizens anywhere in the world,espaially on this island


The island is ireland,the country you refer to is the free state

You mean the Republic of Ireland.

eagle eye

Ulster Says No. It will never happen

FrancieBrady wrote:

Know what?

Lmfao, you don't even know what you wrote, what I quoted?

Redgirl82

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And...if a majority vote for a UI...a UI will happen.

Bend it, twist it, shake it...that is what anyone who voted for the GFA, voted for.

I know it is tough for you guys as the time approaches, but please remain democrats.

Lets make it simple for you Franice

The Good Friday Agreement did not provide a Unitied Ireland

It allowed fo a vote on a United Ireland, if the people of Northern Ireland or Rep of Ireland vote no then it will stay as is.

Do you agree?

jh79

15-20 years

jh79 wrote: »

You mean the Republic of Ireland.

I mean the free state.....but,yeah call it,whatever pleases you

Randy Archer

Deleted User wrote: »

Imo we should look after our citizens anywhere in the world,espaially on this island


The island is ireland,the country you refer to is the free state

Let’s stick with Facts. Ill informed opinion doesn’t count ,! There are enough idiots around here ,dumb enough to think what you said is actually correct.

Citizens who don’t live and pay their taxes here, are not our problem . We can’t even afford to look after our own here. Any Irish citizen abroad is more than welcome to come back here .

The Free State was DISBANDED in 1947. A Republic was declared . We are A sovereign independent nation . Those lads up North are Brits!

Nordies who keep waffling about Free State (something achieved by Southern men who didn’t hide under the bed ,unlike Northerners ! ) are never taken seriously

Ireland, described as the Republic of Ireland, has zero jurisdiction over 6 counties that form part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

You can go back to Narnia land now

eagle eye

Ulster Says No. It will never happen

Deleted User wrote:

Its great watching pretend nationlists rattled as they realise,a utd ireland is coming and they are near powerless to stop it

Love your use of the British shortened version for United.
No chance it's happening anytime soon. We've been through why it won't happen already today. Go back and have a read.

eagle eye

Ulster Says No. It will never happen

Deleted User wrote:

I mean the free state.....but,yeah call it,whatever pleases you

Yeah I take offense to you calling my country anything other than the republic of Ireland. I'm a Republican and proud of it.

Randy Archer

15-20 years

Randy Archer wrote: »

Let’s stick with Facts. Ill informed opinion doesn’t count ,! There are enough idiots around here ,dumb enough to think what you said is actually correct.

Citizens who don’t live and pay their taxes here, are not our problem . We can’t even afford to look after our own here. Any Irish citizen abroad is more than welcome to come back here .

The Free State was DISBANDED in 1947. A Republic was declared . We are A sovereign independent nation . Those lads up North are Brits!

Nordies who keep waffling about Free State (something achieved by Southern men who didn’t hide under the bed ,unlike Northerners ! ) are never taken seriously

Ireland, described as the Republic of Ireland, has zero jurisdiction over 6 counties that form part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

You can go back to Narnia land now

The people up north with an irish passport are irish (and entitled to be so)


To.me anyway,the island is ireland,dublin hopefully for not much longer only has juristiction over the 26 counties.....

like a majority,in the majority of the 6 counties favour reunification,how anyone can call whats going on there,anything other than an occupation is beyond me

Randy Archer

Deleted User wrote: »

Its great watching pretend nationlists rattled as they realise,a utd ireland is coming and they are near powerless to stop it

1. It’s not coming, no where near it ,so don’t hold your breath . No one is even seriously talking about it ,not even Shinners , ie properly discussing what kind of UI it would be

2. They can do plenty to stop it ,actually, they have a vote

The state of the economy will wake people up to cold realities . The opinion and vote of the peasant class is and never did matter, they won’t be footing the bills

eagle eye

15-20 years

eagle eye wrote: »

Yeah I take offense to you calling my country anything other than the republic of Ireland. I'm a Republican and proud of it.

A republican,happy to see largr tracts of our country occupied,by same country what caused famine and ruin here


The 6 counties has failed utterly to point it decended into civil war,its only future is as part of a utd ireland


Your free to claim to be a republican,much like berie claimes to be a socialist it seems

jh79

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I mean the free state.....but,yeah call it,whatever pleases you

I'll stick to its official title, the Republic of Ireland, leave that slang term to the insecure republicans.

FrancieBrady

Redgirl82 wrote: »

Lets make it simple for you Franice

The Good Friday Agreement did not provide a Unitied Ireland

It allowed fo a vote on a United Ireland, if the people of Northern Ireland or Rep of Ireland vote no then it will stay as is.

Do you agree?

Absolutely.

Nobody ever claimed in a post here that the GFA 'would provide a UI'...you are lying again.

The GFA has within it a mechanism for a border poll. If that Border Poll returns a majority in favour of a UI, the two sovereign governments (INCLUDING yours) have committed to deliver a UI.

Do you agree?

Randy Archer

15-20 years

Randy Archer wrote: »

1. It’s not coming, no where near it ,so don’t hold your breath . No one is even seriously talking about it ,not even Shinners , ie properly discussing what kind of UI it would be

2. They can do plenty to stop it ,actually, they have a vote

The state of the economy will wake people up to cold realities . The opinion and vote of the peasant class is and never did matter, they won’t be footing the bills

Meh....if your so sure,put your money,where your mouth is and support calls for a border poll


Seems to me,most contarians run scared of standing over their views in public

Randy Archer

Deleted User wrote: »

The people up north with an irish passport are irish (and entitled to be so)


To.me anyway,the island is ireland,dublin hopefully for not much longer only has juristiction over the 26 counties.....

like a majority,in the majority of the 6 counties favour reunification,how anyone can call whats going on there,anything other than an occupation is beyond me

They live outside the country, just like the Irish born living in Oz or New York, they are NOT paying tax in this country .... they are not our problem, of NI leave the EU . They are more than free to come down here

Again, no one, I repeat no one wants to hear your opinion ,when you don’t understand the concept of facts. Building an argument or an opinion ignorant of facts is a waste of time . We heard you the first time

Passports are handed out like confetti now a days. I doubt when Ian Junior or Sammy signs passport appLication forms for Unionists claiming their passport, either of them genuinely believe or desire to be Irish citizens . The passport is used as a passport of convenience


I would not even bother entertaining your nonsense about “occupation “ suffice to say, Good Friday Agreement is Sunningdale for the slow learners . No ride csn always come down here . Ah. Less , they will miss their sectarian banter, tins of tennants ,reading the Daily record and realising that they have more in common with lads in Glasgow than they have with Dubs, Galwegians and Cork boyoS

Randy Archer

15-20 years

Randy Archer wrote: »

They live outside the country, just like the Irish born living in Oz or New York, they are NOT paying tax in this country .... they are not our problem, of NI leave the EU . They are more than free to come down here

Again, no one, I repeat no one wants to hear your opinion ,when you don’t understand the concept of facts. Building an argument or an opinion ignorant of facts is a waste of time . We heard you the first time

Passports are handed out like confetti now a days. I doubt when Ian Junior or Sammy signs passport appLication forms for Unionists claiming their passport, either of them genuinely believe or desire to be Irish citizens . The passport is used as a passport of convenience


I would even bother entertaining your nonsense about “occupation “ suffice to say, Good Friday Agreement is Sunningdale for the slow learners . No ride csn always come down here . Ah. Less , they will miss their sectarian banter, tins of tennants ,reading the Daily record and realising that they have more in common with lads in Glasgow than they have with Dubs, Galwegians and Cork boyoS

Mate,anyone with a passport is legally a citizen,

quite why you want to claim they arent is brilliant and entertaining,but an highly inefficent use of your time


Yous seem rattled as fcuk though

Randy Archer

Deleted User wrote: »

Meh....if your so sure,put your money,where your mouth is and support calls for a border poll


Seems to me,most contarians run scared of standing over their views in public

Place your head under my foot, I will stand over both .

A broke bum like you ought not to tell people what to do with their money, but that’s peasants for ya .

Why would any clown support calls for any referendum that he knows will lose. ? Have you Shinners not learned your lesson from demanding a needless Presidential Election that cost the public millions ?

Why would anyone help those head bangers push for a border poll which neither the British or Irish government want to deal with ?

You seem to love the idea of instigating more violence up there .

Face it ,even Shinners are not seriously calling for one

Not one single election ,up North, be it local, Westminster, or MLA , have Republicans /Nationalists won an over all majority over the various Unionist parties .

eagle eye

Ulster Says No. It will never happen

Deleted User wrote:

Mate,anyone with a passport is legally a citizen,

I'm an EU citizen, are people in Northern Ireland holding an Irish passport EU citizens?

eagle eye

15-20 years

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm an EU citizen, are people in Northern Ireland holding an Irish passport EU citizens?

Yes

Though hopefully the eu will crash and burn and take down rest of monarchies and neo-libs with it,coming outta this virus

jh79

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes

Though hopefully the eu will crash and burn and take down rest of monarchies and neo-libs with it,coming outta this virus

Your not really thinking this through without the support of a strong EU an UI will never happen.

FrancieBrady

Randy Archer wrote: »

Let’s stick with Facts. Ill informed opinion doesn’t count ,! There are enough idiots around here ,dumb enough to think what you said is actually correct.

Citizens who don’t live and pay their taxes here, are not our problem . We can’t even afford to look after our own here. Any Irish citizen abroad is more than welcome to come back here .

The Free State was DISBANDED in 1947. A Republic was declared . We are A sovereign independent nation . Those lads up North are Brits!

Nordies who keep waffling about Free State (something achieved by Southern men who didn’t hide under the bed ,unlike Northerners ! ) are never taken seriously

Ireland, described as the Republic of Ireland, has zero jurisdiction over 6 counties that form part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

You can go back to Narnia land now

The Republic of Ireland has many responsibilities as a signatory of the GFA and it ancillary agreements.
They have these responsibilities because of the Irish people living in NI.

Sharing of sovereignty
1) North/South Ministerial Council - NI Executive and Irish cabinet to meet as equals.

Joint implementation of policy on:

inland waterways
food safety
special EU programmes
minority languages (i.e. Irish Gaelic and Ulster Scots)
coastal waters
trade and business development
commitment to co-operate on:
transport
agriculture
education
health
environment
tourism
2) British-Irish Council (BIC) (also known as "Council of the Isles" - modeled on Nordic Council) British and Irish governments, devolved institutions in Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales, representatives of the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands.
An assembly for dialogue, rather like the Balkan Stability Pact

3) British-Irish Intergovernmental Conference

regular summit meetings between British and Irish governments to discuss issues not covered by NI Executive (and thus outside N/S Council remit)

Randy Archer

15-20 years

Randy Archer wrote: »

Place your head under my foot, I will stand over both .

A broke bum like you ought not to tell people what to do with their money, but that’s peasants for ya .

Why would any clown support calls for any referendum that he knows will lose. ? Have you Shinners not learned your lesson from demanding a needless Presidential Election ?

Why would anyone help those head bangers push for a border poll which neither the British or Irish government want to deal with ?

You seem to love the idea of instigating more violence up there .

Face it ,even Shinners are not seriously calling for one

Lol....running scared of having your view tested at ballot box....


Like,i said rattled

(Though where,have i said anything about insiggating violence??,its irrational to just make stuff up)

Redgirl82

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Absolutely.

Nobody ever claimed in a post here that the GFA 'would provide a UI'...you are lying again.

The GFA has within it a mechanism for a border poll. If that Border Poll returns a majority in favour of a UI, the two sovereign governments (INCLUDING yours) have committed to deliver a UI.

Do you agree?

Francie it’s ok....maybe less of the personal attacks

We all know you made mistakes

jh79

15-20 years

jh79 wrote: »

Your not really thinking this through without the support of a strong EU an UI will never happen.

Personally im ill-at-ease with.carryon of the EU as an entity and believe it has failed citizens who needed it over last year or two

Having to be shamed by cuban,and chinese doctors arriving,before sending any help to italy and turning a blind eye to police brutality in cathalonia has weakened it massively in my eyes

Redgirl82

15-20 years

Redgirl82 wrote: »

Francie it’s ok....maybe less of the personal attacks

We all know you made mistakes

There is no personal attack in post if his,you quoted?


Its quiet mean-spirited to claim,there is

FrancieBrady

Redgirl82 wrote: »

Francie it’s ok....maybe less of the personal attacks

We all know you made mistakes

Avoided the question and invented a mistake I made.

This is gas, we had another poster here used to do that...invent 'mistakes' that posters make and keep following them around claiming it. Bizarre behaviour. Can't think of her name.

I guess if I asked you what the 'mistake' was you'd do your usual and run away.

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

There is no personal attack in post if his,you quoted?


Its quiet mean-spirited to claim,there is

Again, Blaaz, I wouldn't worry about it.

This is what Leo does...tells lies in the Dáil about somebody in a rant and because a couple of acolytes share it on Whatsapp he thinks he has hit the zeitgeist. Meanwhile his polling figures plummet.