How long before Irish reunification?

Redgirl82

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Avoided the question and invented a mistake I made.

This is gas, we had another poster here used to do that...invent 'mistakes' that posters make and keep following them around claiming it. Bizarre behaviour. Can't think of her name.

I guess if I asked you what the 'mistake' was you'd do your usual and run away.

Deflection rate is unusually high tonight.

Redgirl82 wrote: »

What about all the people working in public sector that know a Unified Ireland will result on them getting fired? all the companies in the North who business model is based on been in the UK. The likes of parcel motel/DPD parcel wizard.

Are you going to say people working in these companies and know a Unified Ireland means them losing their jobs are belligerent unionists? some of these people could end up losing their house etc.

Maybe answer this? Thanks

Mortelaro

Ulster Says No. It will never happen

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm an EU citizen, are people in Northern Ireland holding an Irish passport EU citizens?

Yes,100%,they are EU citizens

Randy Archer

Deleted User wrote: »

Mate,anyone with a passport is legally a citizen,

quite why you want to claim they arent is brilliant and entertaining,but an highly inefficent use of your time


Yous seem rattled as fcuk though

We are not “mates” (how British of you)

No taxation, no representation !

You are claiming that Ulster Unionists who take An Irish passport see themselves as Irish Citizens ? 😂 Go back to Narnia Land !

Redgirl82

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Again, Blaaz, I wouldn't worry about it.

This is what Leo does...tells lies in the Dáil about somebody in a rant and because a couple of acolytes share it on Whatsapp he thinks he has hit the zeitgeist. Meanwhile his polling figures plummet.

Francie, wrong thread.

Randy Archer

15-20 years

Randy Archer wrote: »

We are not “mates” (how British of you)

No taxation, no representation !

You are claiming that Ulster Unionists who take An Irish passport see themselves as Irish Citizens ? 😂 Go back to Narnia Land !

Nah mate (closer to south ozzie really :pac: ),i said,if they have irish passports,legally they are citizens?


Like,quite why you want to argue this isnt case is beyond me


















How dafuq do you add proper emojis

Redgirl82

Randy Archer wrote: »

We are not “mates” (how British of you)

No taxation, no representation !

You are claiming that Ulster Unionists who take An Irish passport see themselves as Irish Citizens ? 😂 Go back to Narnia Land !

Unionist seemingly in Narnia don’t exist. If they do they should be insulted

Because that is going to be a roaring success

FrancieBrady

Redgirl82 wrote: »

Deflection rate is unusually high tonight.

What mistake did I make?

Maybe answer this? Thanks

Who has said anything about PS workers being fired? Are you going to fire them?

Why would somebody lose their house? I believe a UI will bring NI up in prosperity for all manner of reason.

jm08

20-30 years

eagle eye wrote: »

Do they pay taxes in the Republic if Ireland? No they don't, they pay their taxes to the UK.

They are still Irish citizens (and many in fact do contribute to the Irish tax system by working in the ROI). Something like 40,000 cross the border every day.

If they went on their own for a decade it would certainly help them.

They had 50 years on their own (up to 70s) and look at how that turned out!

You are going to force just under half the population of Northern Ireland into something they don't want. If you don't see the issue then you clearly don't give a continental for a lot of people.

And you are going to force just over half the population into something they dont wantl
Im happy to support a referendum and support the wishes of the majority. Clearly you are not.

I think the EU are obliged to accept them after having a hand in a border being placed between NI and Great Britain.

No. On their own they will have to meet the criteria for membership of the EU, just like all those aspirant countries in eastern europe.

You will be forcing a huge minority into something they don't want.
This is very serious, it's horrific to think you can force half a million people into something they don't want.

I won't be forcing anything on anyone. Just accept the outcome of a democratic vote expressed in a referendum.

Randy Archer

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The Republic of Ireland has many responsibilities as a signatory of the GFA and it ancillary agreements.
They have these responsibilities because of the Irish people living in NI.

Francie , Please ! A vast majority of the Good Friday Agreement was never implemented . It’s as useful as used up toilet roll

The DUP Line leading Unionist party , have refused to sit down at the proposed All Ireland Council ever since of existed

It’s evident that your legal understanding of these issues is non existent , but no where in what you said supports in any way the claim that Ireland could not “abandon” Irish citizens up north ,of or when Norn Iron leaves the EU .

FrancieBrady

Randy Archer wrote: »

You are claiming that Ulster Unionists who take An Irish passport see themselves as Irish Citizens ? 😂 Go back to Narnia Land !

What has it got to do with 'what they see themselves as?'

If they have a passport they are a citizen.

You do not need an Irish passport in order to be an Irish citizen but having an Irish passport is evidence that you are an Irish citizen.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/irish_citizenship/irish_citizenship_through_birth_or_descent.html

Randy Archer

15-20 years

Randy Archer wrote: »

Francie , Please ! A vast majority of the Good Friday Agreement was never implemented . It’s as useful as used up toilet roll

The DUP Line leading Unionist party , have refused to sit down at the proposed All Ireland Council ever since of existed

It’s evident that your legal understanding of these issues is non existent , but no where in what you said supports in any way the claim that Ireland could not “abandon” Irish citizens up north ,of or when Norn Iron leaves the EU .

Indeed you are correct...its time to.stop pretending it and devolution works,pull plug and reunify

FrancieBrady

Randy Archer wrote: »

Francie , Please ! A vast majority of the Good Friday Agreement was never implemented . It’s as useful as used up toilet roll

The DUP Line leading Unionist party , have refused to sit down at the proposed All Ireland Council ever since of existed

It’s evident that your legal understanding of these issues is non existent , but no where in what you said supports in any way the claim that Ireland could not “abandon” Irish citizens up north ,of or when Norn Iron leaves the EU .

Because Irish governments have reneged on their responsibilities does not absolve them of them Randy.

Do try and be consistent.

Mortelaro

Ulster Says No. It will never happen

Randy Archer wrote: »

We are not “mates” (how British of you)

No taxation, no representation !

You are claiming that Ulster Unionists who take An Irish passport see themselves as Irish Citizens ? 😂 Go back to Narnia Land !

If they have an Irish passport they have dual citizenship, yes but they would always identify as British
Ditto for Irish citizens with British passports

I think you are confusing the concept of citizenship with Residency
Irish passport holders living in the north are not Irish residents so not entitled to RoI social welfare
Some of them in border areas pay tax to Dublin as they work in the Republic but despite their Irish passport can't draw RoI benefits because their Residency is British

Randy Archer

Deleted User wrote: »

Lol....running scared of having your view tested at ballot box....


Like,i said rattled

(Though where,have i said anything about insiggating violence??,its irrational to just make stuff up)

Rattled ? 😂😂. If you had some semblance of intelligence, maybe, just maybe

You deluded, Ill informed and naive to believe that a campaign for a UI would be violence free up north ? Sweet Jesus .

Don’t be such a child. I know welfare leeches never have to worry about footing bills but surely you aren’t that stupid to ignore the obvious security and definite start of civil unrest amongst the Unionists up North .

You lot can barely even sit down together and govern. How many years have passed since GFA and yet the Peace Walls in Belfast dominate the skyline

When did Republicans and Nationalists out vote Unionists in an election up North ?

And you are dumb enough to think Republicans and Nationalists would win the argument and the vote and convince 51% of Nordies to join the Republic ?
😂😂😂🤫🤫


The fact that the ballot isn’t being called for highlights the lack of need for it . SF rightly don’t want it to happen in the foreseeable future .perhaps ask your friends why that is the case

jh79

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I believe a UI will bring NI up in prosperity for all manner of reason.

It would but at a massive cost and over quite a large time frame. The British invested feck all in the North bar the subvention and PS jobs neither of which stimulate an economy to any great extent.

Even a prosperous Republic would struggle to maintain NI and invest the required amount to stimulate growth. The Republic is/ will be borrowing crazy amounts due to COVID.

Other side is that SF want NI to be " a failed statlet" , they fear citizens of a functioning NI won't want change.

Junkyard Tom

30-40 years

I don't think the partitionists/unionists understand that Ireland is uniting by osmosis all the time. The idea of reimposing a frontier-like border is well outside the Overton Window and won't be coming back into view ever again.

The direction of travel is for Britain to do its own thing while the northeast becomes so stitched into the fabric of an all-Ireland system that reversing it will become practically impossible.

This is all heading in one direction and not a damn thing the partitionists and unionists can do about it save for ethnically cleansing the Irish people out of the north which won't be happening.

Randy Archer

15-20 years

Randy Archer wrote: »

Rattled ? 😂😂. If you had some semblance of intelligence, maybe, just maybe

You deluded, Ill informed and naive to believe that a campaign for a UI would be violence free up north ? Sweet Jesus .

Don’t be such a child. I know welfare leeches never have to worry about footing bills but surely you aren’t that stupid to ignore the obvious security and definite start of civil unrest amongst the Unionists up North .

You lot can barely even sit down together and govern. How many years have passed since GFA and yet the Peace Walls in Belfast dominate the skyline

When did Republicans and Nationalists out vote Unionists in an election up North ?

And you are dumb enough to think Republicans and Nationalists would win the argument and the vote and convince 51% of Nordies to join the Republic ?
😂😂😂🀫🀫


The fact that the ballot isn’t being called for highlights the lack of need for it . SF rightly don’t want it to happen in the foreseeable future .perhaps ask your friends why that is the case

As i said,running scared of putting your views before a referendum is clear for all to see


I suspect from.your post,your not even irish,failing to pick up on hints ,in my username attests to this


Up the path kid

Redgirl82

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What mistake did I make?





Who has said anything about PS workers being fired? Are you going to fire them?

Why would somebody lose their house? I believe a UI will bring NI up in prosperity for all manner of reason.

It’s ok, try reading the post again. I will wait

Randy Archer

Deleted User wrote: »

A republican,happy to see largr tracts of our country occupied,by same country what caused famine and ruin here


The 6 counties has failed utterly to point it decended into civil war,its only future is as part of a utd ireland


Your free to claim to be a republican,much like berie claimes to be a socialist it seems

We don’t give a **** about Northern Ireland, never have and never will

At no stage of history was the nation ever united under one Irish State or Irish Kingdom (On wine myths and waffle about High Kings of Ireland etc ). Muckers in Derry and Liam in Belfast Often have more in common with lads in Glasgow than they have with people in Dublin, Cork, Galway etc. Maybe an affinity with Donegal but even they are a law onto themselves

Waffling about abandoning them lol. Pity the Provos left it 50 + years late when it came to successful fighting while lads in Cork, Dublin, Tipp etc were fighting The Tans, Auxies and RIC

Those up North who see themselves as Irish, can come down here if they want to

You reek of a Yank, Plastic Paddy ,waffling about the Famine , which by the way, didn’t hurt much of Ulster ,Donegal aside . The south did their fighting in 1920 , Ulster did **** all

Redgirl82

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Because Irish governments have reneged on their responsibilities does not absolve them of them Randy.

Do try and be consistent.

What have the Northern Assembly done?

FrancieBrady

Redgirl82 wrote: »

It’s ok, try reading the post again. I will wait

I did. My answer is the same.

Now...what 'mistake' did I make or are you gonna keep on running?

Redgirl82

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I did. My answer is the same.

Now...what 'mistake' did I make or are you gonna keep on running?

So you don’t understand English. Will leave it with you so

I can’t be expected to teach you

FrancieBrady

Randy Archer wrote: »

We don’t give a **** about Northern Ireland, never have and never will

The great thing about your posts Randy...there is no need to read beyond the first line.

FrancieBrady

Redgirl82 wrote: »

So you don’t understand English. Will leave it with you so

I can’t be expected to teach you

What 'mistake'?

Redgirl82

15-20 years

Redgirl82 wrote: »

What have the Northern Assembly done?

Fcuk all....time to.pull the plug and reunify

Randy Archer

jh79 wrote: »

It would but at a massive cost and over quite a large time frame. The British invested feck all in the North bar the subvention and PS jobs neither of which stimulate an economy to any great extent.

Even a prosperous Republic would struggle to maintain NI and invest the required amount to stimulate growth. The Republic is/ will be borrowing crazy amounts due to COVID.

Other side is that SF want NI to be " a failed statlet" , they fear citizens of a functioning NI won't want change.

Funny how Francie hasn’t fleshed out in detail how he believes Norn Iron would prosper . Some decent farm land, sure, the odd whiskey distillery but what have they got that Dublin, Limerick Cork either don’t have, can’t provide or want .

How Has Donegal , Cavan and Monaghan fared in all these decades despite giving the country several high profile Ministers and Tainasite?

And Francie thinks Belfast and Derry will do better ? Lol

He thinks the likes of Healy Rae /O’Donghues and Lowry of this world are going to sit in Dáil Éireann and not get their big parish pump politics demands for the great people of Kerry n Tipp ? Lol

Da Dubs will still be creaming all the big industries going

FrancieBrady

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I don't think the partitionists/unionists understand that Ireland is uniting by osmosis all the time. The idea of reimposing a frontier-like border is well outside the Overton Window and won't be coming back into view ever again.

The direction of travel is for Britain to do its own thing while the northeast becomes so stitched into the fabric of an all-Ireland system that reversing it will become practically impossible.

This is all heading in one direction and not a damn thing the partitionists and unionists can do about it save for ethnically cleansing the Irish people out of the north which won't be happening.

Absolutely Tom.
Belligerent Unionism in the political form - The DUP realised fully and profoundly what the GFA was. That is why they hated it and still hate it.
It is why they have been separated abstractly from the Union.

They thought they could collapse the GFA with Brexit and made an utter tit of it all really.

Nobody is breaking the GFA not the belligerent Unionists and not the British.

Redgirl82

Deleted User wrote: »

Fcuk all....time to.pull the plug and reunify

No. Time for the parties in the North to step up.

Especially with FF/FG been some horrible/terrible parties. How could the good people of Northern Ireland be expected to deal with them :P:P:P:P

Redgirl82

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What 'mistake'?

Do we need every thread to descend into this stupidity to deflect

Redgirl82

15-20 years

Redgirl82 wrote: »

No. Time for the parties in the North to step up.

Especially with FF/FG been some horrible/terrible parties. How could the good people of Northern Ireland be expected to deal with them :P:P:P:P

Indeed havnt FF been promising to run canditadtes.with 20 odd years there now



Its a failed state in every metric,catchphrases and calling people to step-up isnt going to make it better??

Its never going to work,just stop trying to imagine it better,and get on with reunification.... expecting stormont to work,is childlike in its innocence


Its been near on quarter of a centruy powersharing.and its only getting worser and both sides more entrenched,pull the plug and reunify