How long before Irish reunification?

Junkyard Tom

30-40 years

eagle eye wrote: »

I'd have guessed that about you. I notice you were conveniently missing when we did talk about the difference between Pearse Doherty's teenage math and real arithmetic and economics.

Ooh I'm flattered that you missed me.

Regardless, a UI is about more than counting beans. I think the potential benefits far outweigh any downsides in more ways than just returns on GDP.

I don't expect you to understand that though as you seem obsessively fearful of having a lighter wallet.

eagle eye

Ulster Says No. It will never happen

Junkyard Tom wrote:

Regardless, a UI is about more than counting beans. I think the potential benefits far outweigh any downsides in more ways than just returns on GDP.

Yeah the benefits, let me see, financial hardship for years, half a million people hating being part of a UI, potential for a loyalist paramilitary rising.
Yeah no thanks.

Junkyard Tom wrote:

I don't expect you to understand that though as you seem obsessively fearful of having a lighter wallet.

My family and our medical and financial health are the most important thing to me like every family man.

Junkyard Tom

30-40 years

Don't be frightened, the vast majority of Unionists will get on with their lives and I predict they'd thrive in a United Ireland.

eagle eye wrote: »

Yeah the benefits, let me see, financial hardship for years, half a million people hating being part of a UI, potential for a loyalist paramilitary rising.

A parade of horribles is also a rhetorical device whereby the speaker argues against taking a certain course of action by listing a number of extremely undesirable events which will ostensibly result from the action. Its power lies in the emotional impact of the unpleasant predictions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parade_of_horribles#As_a_rhetorical_device

eagle eye wrote: »

My family and our medical and financial health are the most important thing to me like every family man.

None of us can separate the fortunes of our family units from wider society or living in a democratic society.

I don't want subsequent generations of my family to have to deal with the malign influence of the British state in Ireland which affects us all.

eagle eye

Ulster Says No. It will never happen

Junkyard Tom wrote:

Don't be frightened, the vast majority of Unionists will get on with their lives and I predict they'd thrive in a United Ireland.

There was a poll done where it was clear they want no part of a UI.

Junkyard Tom

30-40 years

eagle eye wrote: »

There was a poll done where it was clear they want no part of a UI.

They being Unionists? Unionists have no veto on a United Ireland. The sky will not fall and a vast majority of Unionists will just want to get on with their lives.

Don't be scared, there's great potential in Ireland. Unionists will help us to decouple the Irish State from the Catholic Church and people from the north will come to a UI with a higher expectation of public services which is no bad thing.

Hamsterchops

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I don't want subsequent generations of my family to have to deal with the malign influence of the British state in Ireland which affects us all.

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evil in nature or effect.
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For sure, get rid of them and their fecking NHS and their BBC, not forgetting their subversive ways & their public services. Get rid of the British state and her citizens, push them back onto their own island and leave us alone

Once we have some sea between us & them we'll be free of the malign influence of the evil British state & her evil empire.

Redgirl82

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

They being Unionists? Unionists have no veto on a United Ireland. The sky will not fall and a vast majority of Unionists will just want to get on with their lives.

Don't be scared, there's great potential in Ireland. Unionists will help us to decouple the Irish State from the Catholic Church and people from the north will come to a UI with a higher expectation of public services which is no bad thing.

Just read this thread and unionist will get a taste of what United ireland would be like. You have posters that refer to them as belligerent on every post and the plan is just to scrap the DUP once the SF brigade get what they want.

You have posters on here saying how great a unified ireland while also defending racist comments against Leo

The only hope for unionist is for SF to get shut down, then work with the proper Irish parties on how to create a United ireland.

Redgirl82

15-20 years

Redgirl82 wrote: »

Just read this thread and unionist will get a taste of what United ireland would be like. You have posters that refer to them as belligerent on every post and the plan is just to scrap the DUP once the SF brigade get what they want.

You have posters on here saying how great a unified ireland while also defending racist comments against Leo

The only hope for unionist is for SF to get shut down, then work with the proper Irish parties on how to create a United ireland.

Noone has defended racist comments


Why are you lying?

ILoveYourVibes

eagle eye wrote: »

There was a poll done where it was clear they want no part of a UI.

It's also clear that when a UI is really on the horizon they will have no choice.

I.E when Catholics out number Protestants. That will probably happen some day. Maybe not in my lifetime or my children's lifetime.

SF will get a poll on it in NI eventually ...give it 20 yrs or so.

Hamsterchops

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

SF will get a poll on it in NI eventually ...give it 20 yrs or so.

To "get a poll on it" doesn't necessarily mean winning it, but if they do get a poll on it (& win it) what then?

Orange & Green happy and United?

Junkyard Tom

30-40 years

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Get rid of the British state and her citizens

Wouldn't you just love it if I'd written that instead of you pulling it out of your arse.

Brendan Bendar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I think I will start calling you Riddles, Brendi. No idea what you are on about.
If it is some insinuation that I have used the 'West Brit' as an insult or a descriptor of people then just like Redgirl, Eagle Eye, downcow and few others, I will ask you to back that up by showing me where.

There are now that many running from requests to backup claims they have made, we could enter a team in the Olympics.

Francie, far be it from the Brenner from doing that.

Will I deliver popcorn and masks into Parnell Sq........ooops... forgot you have a good supply in there....couple of white shirts maybe then.

Trying to help here, a chara.

Hamsterchops

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Wouldn't you just love it if I'd written that instead of you pulling it out of your arse.

I don't even know what that means, but I do know that I don't like you or your Republican politics.

Hamsterchops

15-20 years

Hamsterchops wrote: »

I don't even know what that means, but I do know that I don't like you or your Republican politics.

Whats wrong with freedom,justice and equality for all??


The brits have had 100 years of northern ireland,near on a quarter of a century of power-sharing


It simply has failed,deosnt and wont ever work,sometime you will just have to admit it is a completly failed experiment

Hamsterchops

Deleted User wrote: »

Whats wrong with freedom,justice and equality for all??

The brits have had 100 years of northern ireland,near on a quarter of a century of power-sharing

It simply has failed,deosnt and wont ever work,sometime you will just have to admit it is a completly failed experiment

The point I've been making again & again & again is that the attachment to Britain is because of the people living in NI. They the Unionists, wish to be part of the UK, and it's for us to make our offer more attractive to them.

Britain would love to be rid of NI.

eagle eye

Ulster Says No. It will never happen

Junkyard Tom wrote:

They being Unionists? Unionists have no veto on a United Ireland. The sky will not fall and a vast majority of Unionists will just want to get on with their lives.

Polls say they don't want a UI.
I can say what your saying about nationalists remaining in the UK. I don't need to back it up just like you.

Junkyard Tom wrote:

Don't be scared, there's great potential in Ireland. Unionists will help us to decouple the Irish State from the Catholic Church and people from the north will come to a UI with a higher expectation of public services which is no bad thing.

We've already separated church and state.

Redgirl82

I though Sinn Fein wanted United ireland...

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/sinn-féin-under-fire-over-welfare-cuts-move-1.2435441?mode=amp

Fairly disgraceful carry on from Sinn Fein but no surprise

FrancieBrady

Hamsterchops wrote: »

The point I've been making again & again & again is that the attachment to Britain is because of the people living in NI. They the Unionists, wish to be part of the UK, and it's for us to make our offer more attractive to them.

Britain would love to be rid of NI.

Would you listen to yourself?

This is pure FG hatdoffing, simpering, 'glad to be of use' deferential bunk. John Bruton levels of it.

'Make our offer more attractive'??


How would you like to be a part of a state that has no intention of imposing it's bigotry and sectarianism on you the way the state you created did? But rather will make accommodation for you as we expect you to do for others, even if you are sitting there sulking

No? You don't want that? Well tough, because the majority of people on this island of Ireland want to have a go at that having learn't significant and painful lessons from the building of the state that eventually became this dynamic modern member of the EU...stand back and watch again while we do it.....and do try to remain peaceful.

Hamsterchops

15-20 years

Hamsterchops wrote: »

The point I've been making again & again & again is that the attachment to Britain is because of the people living in NI. They the Unionists, wish to be part of the UK, and it's for us to make our offer more attractive to them.

Britain would love to be rid of NI.

The attachment isnt to anyone benefit....it deosnt function as a state,its poverty and homelessness figures are a joke.....years onend with no government over modest compromises


Its lunacy to think it will ever work,


Reunification isnt going to happen until.a majority wants it anyway,so its ultimately what the people there,vote for

Randy Archer

Deleted User wrote: »

Dublins population increased in the famine?



Youve exposed noone.as a waffler,your free to claim you have,but your posts speak for themselves....regarding 20% of irish population dying/leaving is nothing to be proud of


It speaks volumes,that we had 6 famines,along with several mini-famines (one as late as 1912 in my area),and none since independance....the english arent fit to rule themselves,no mind part of our island

Wow , just wow .

Go find the post where I gave Dublin’s numbers . Chop chop

When did Dublin become part of Connacht and Munster ?

Dublin’s numbers weren’t uttered because ,as you said, the population increased. Dublin was clearly mentioned in the context of the Tan War

Dublin did not even have the biggest population on the island in 1841-1851 ,that was Cork . The fact that this has to be spelt out for you only highlights your ignorance

Well done in proving that there’s no end to your stupidity and pathetic attempt to make false claims through your loss poor Comprehension skills


20% is NOTHING compared to what Connacht suffered.

What is it about you Plastic Paddy Americans and the need to vomit out stuff that’s not remotely accurate or relevant ? Listen lad, you need remedial class , big time, perhaps try Ann and Barry books ,or Tara and Ben .

Typical Shinners

Randy Archer

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I never offered any opinion on the Famine at all, so what my knowledge of it is, is yet another invention by you, like your phantom 'argument' with Eagle Eye, I am not sure you are at all clear on what you have said and to who, tbh.

I called you out on your claim that you 'made a comparison' in your original remark...YOU DIDN'T and no amount of namecalling or invective is gonna make a comparison suddenly appear in that post.

Accept it and move on, because I am.
Your unfiltered anger and invective is mildly amusing in small dozes, no harm to you.

See that comment “two of the three of ye” . You weren’t referred to regarding claims on the famine. However ,you did come to join the other two to attempt to make claims that allegedly weren’t made by me ,despite the statements ,that you didn’t quote in full ,actually undermining you

Again, your poor comprehension and utter dishonesty ,is your problem


Unfiltered anger ? Not angry at all. I am bemused by your stupidity snd laughable attempt by you to take some high ground . You are being treated accordingly , with the utter contempt that you deserve

Know your place

Still haven’t explained with detail why you think Northern Ireland would prosper under a UI . THIS IS THE THIRD TIME that I have asked you to explain that; come on, along with your dreadful comprehension skills and your laughable understanding of the law (citizenship n GFA) give us a laugh with your business and commerce knowledge

Randy Archer

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I'd say you'd have a hard term differentiating between arithmetic and economics. I heard you have to take off your socks and shoes to count to twenty.

I would put much money on it son! Hard term ? Wow

The last Sentence bit ? Lol , makes no sense . Typical council estate shinner peasants , making up things as they go along

Mercifully, no one listens to the likes of you, Francie and Blaaz/Runaway ,our in the real world

RobMc59

10-15 years

Randy Archer wrote: »

I would put much money on it son! Hard term ? Wow

The last Sentence bit ? Lol , makes no sense . Typical council estate shinner peasants , making up things as they go along

Mercifully, no one listens to the likes of you, Francie and Blaaz/Runaway ,our in the real world

You're probably heading for some kind of warning or ban if you don't tone it down randy.

Randy Archer

Redgirl82 wrote: »

I though Sinn Fein wanted United ireland...

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/sinn-féin-under-fire-over-welfare-cuts-move-1.2435441?mode=amp

Fairly disgraceful carry on from Sinn Fein but no surprise

That was a few years ago ...

Sitting on the fence, that is what they do/did best.

The few powers they have in what is a glorified county council, they had back not just to London, but to a Tory party who aren’t too found of peasants and the riff raff in council houses and the unemployable

Suppose it suits them to now be able to sign along with their Southern Comrades and pretend to be socialists instead of taking tough decisions on welfare and budgeting the books (which, to be fair to them, they have been responsible )

FrancieBrady

Randy Archer wrote: »

See that comment “two of the three of ye” . You weren’t referred to regarding claims on the famine. However ,you did come to join the other two to attempt to make claims that allegedly weren’t made by me ,despite the statements ,that you didn’t quote in full ,actually undermining you

Again, your poor comprehension and utter dishonesty ,is your problem


Unfiltered anger ? Not angry at all. I am bemused by your stupidity snd laughable attempt by you to take some high ground . You are being treated accordingly , with the utter contempt that you deserve

Know your place

Still haven’t explained with detail why you think Northern Ireland would prosper under a UI . THIS IS THE THIRD TIME that I have asked you to explain that; come on, along with your dreadful comprehension skills and your laughable understanding of the law (citizenship n GFA) give us a laugh with your business and commerce knowledge

And you can ask a fourth and fifth time too.

No interest in discussing this with somebody that has anger issues and a fairly obvious and rampant inferiority complex.

BTW, if you find someone to discuss it with you, get the terminology correct - it's 'explain how Ireland will prosper?' The northern part will be a contributing part of a united island.

Randy Archer

RobMc59 wrote: »

You're probably heading for some kind of warning or ban if you don't tone it down randy.

And as usual ,those who told blatant lies and dishonestly cite people’s statements and make multiple of groundless claims will get away Scott free. Shinners clearly run the show now a days around here

Randy Archer

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And you can ask a fourth and fifth time too.

No interest in discussing this with somebody that has anger issues and a fairly obvious and rampant inferiority complex.

BTW, if you find someone to discuss it with you, get the terminology correct - it's 'explain how Ireland will prosper?' The northern part will be a contributing part of a united island.

You have zero interest answering it , period. I was not the only poster to do so.

Anger issues ? No, pointing out that you are a waffler Is not anger , spare us the faux outrage.

You got caught out with your piss poor understanding of the GFA ,despite lol, having the words to two clauses in front of you, and your knowledge of business etc is non existent . You would have responded to the other poster who also asked you to explain, but you wisely jumped onto another topic

Redgirl82

Randy Archer wrote: »

That was a few years ago ...

Sitting on the fence, that is what they do/did best.

The few powers they have in what is a glorified county council, they had back not just to London, but to a Tory party who aren’t too found of peasants and the riff raff in council houses and the unemployable

Suppose it suits them to now be able to sign along with their Southern Comrades and pretend to be socialists instead of taking tough decisions on welfare and budgeting the books (which, to be fair to them, they have been responsible )

I know a few years ago but they have been going on about a unified Ireland for how long? shows that in reality they want a Unified Ireland but someone else to look after it

Standard Sinn Fein. If a United Ireland happened tomorrow they would push for FF/FG to sort out all the issue while they sit in back ground complaining.

FrancieBrady

Redgirl82 wrote: »

I know a few years ago but they have been going on about a unified Ireland for how long? shows that in reality they want a Unified Ireland but someone else to look after it

Standard Sinn Fein. If a United Ireland happened tomorrow they would push for FF/FG to sort out all the issue while they sit in back ground complaining.

Was that press cutting handed out at a meeting someplace?

Somebody posted it on the FG thread or the SF this am too, asking about it as if it happened today.

It was dealt with by somebody else too.

Tokyo

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No interest in discussing this with somebody that has anger issues and a fairly obvious and rampant inferiority complex.

Mod: Crossing the line and you well know it. Take 24 hours off the thread and reconsider your posting style.


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Randy Archer wrote: »

You got caught out with your piss poor understanding of the GFA ,despite lol, having the words to two clauses in front of you, and your knowledge of business etc is non existent.

Mod: @Randy Archer - same goes for you - take 24 hours off the thread too, for the same reasons.