How long before Irish reunification?

facehugger99

Bambi wrote: »

Oh there's quite a few people starting to talk about it thanks to Brexit.

A couple of online Shinnerbots and their clappy seals?

Colour me worried.

_blaaz

10-15 years

facehugger99 wrote: »

A couple of online Shinnerbots and their clappy seals?

Colour me worried.

Id hardly call Dominic Grieve,the british attorney general a shinnerbot?



What is you cant grasp that people who cant stand sinn fein also want reunification? (Admittedely Dominic Grieve prob deosnt,but its pure head in sand stuff to say it isnt being discussed openly)

FrancieBrady

facehugger99 wrote: »

I've told you why, it's not my fault you can't comprehend it. It's not a realistic proposition. A bit of lip service to a UI costs nothing politically or economically.

If you think opposition to the notion won't mobilise if we are threatened by it, you are hilariously deluded.

Step outside your echo chamber lad. You'll be surprised how many of us there are.

You just handwaved it all away there.

Another question then, if you will ignore Taoisgh talking about it and numerous politicians.

Why hasn't a 'political voice' screamed that an all party committee working for months and producing a 1300 page report, modelling a United Ireland, was a waste of money?

NOT ONE SINGLE VOICE in dispute or criticism. The fact is partitionism has no political voice, despite claims made that it is a 'massive majority', the only politicians representing you are in fact Unionist politicians.

facehugger99

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You just handwaved it all away there.

Another question then, if you will ignore Taoisgh talking about it and numerous politicians.

Why hasn't a 'political voice' screamed that an all party committee working for months and producing a 1300 page report, modelling a United Ireland, was a waste of money?

NOT ONE SINGLE VOICE in dispute or criticism. The fact is partitionism has no political voice, despite claims made that it is a 'massive majority', the only politicians representing you are in fact Unionist politicians.

Most of the people who get up early and pay all the taxes don't have a political voice representing us. We're used to it.

There'll be plenty of us who'll make the trip to the ballet box in the unlikely event of a referendum though. Make no mistake about it.

FrancieBrady

facehugger99 wrote: »

Most of the people who get up early and pay all the taxes don't have a political voice representing us. We're used to it.

There'll be plenty of us who'll make the trip to the ballet box in the unlikely event of a referendum though. Make no mistake about it.

Name an 'issue' in modern Ireland that doesn't have a political voice talking about/representing it.

You cannot think that just shouting 'No, no no', is debate. I accept you have a point of view, now please back up that point of view.

facehugger99

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Name an 'issue' in modern Ireland that doesn't have a political voice talking about/representing it.

You cannot think that just shouting 'No, no no', is debate. I accept you have a point of view, now please back up that point of view.

I'm not your performing monkey lad and you don't get to define what is and isn't debate.

FrancieBrady

facehugger99 wrote: »

I'm not your performing monkey lad and you don't get to define what is and isn't debate.

I think those who do know what debate is, know what has happened here. Thanks.

_blaaz

10-15 years

facehugger99 wrote: »

I'm not your performing monkey lad and you don't get to define what is and isn't debate.

Tbf....this can only be interpeted as you dont have anything to support your viewpoint??



Quite ironic for someone accussing anyone who deosnt agree with em of being shinnerbots and living in echochamber!!


I do love internet logic though

FrancieBrady

Can any of those here opposed to a UI explain why in an age when we get people like Peter Casey taking political advantage of issues/or truthfully representing people(whatever your view of him may be) that an issue, which it is claimed has massive support (not to unite the island) has not found a political voice?

I have done some research on this and I cannot find anyone or any political party that is prepared to make it a part of their policy/manifesto's.

Secondary question is, who do you think (politician/party) might campaign against it?

_blaaz

10-15 years

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I have done some research on this and I cannot find anyone or any political party that is prepared to make it a part of their policy/manifesto's.

Secondary question is, who do you think (politician/party) might campaign against it?

Realistically though all main parties in ireland as part of their constitution a wish for reunification and any wishing to campaign againest it would also be wanting to change the constittuion of the state


Secondly,urban FG would tradionally been againest it,and would been tradional home for west-brits (i 100% apoligise to anyone if this phrase seems a slur,its not meant as one,i mean the literal definition of it)....

but they have been silenced and abandoned their position over carryon of brits in brexit negociations (just yesterday we had brit.politians on tv saying they shpuld come over here and either threathen or bribe the irish to make brexit easy for em)

facehugger99

Francie's confused why there's no campaign against a UI.

There's no campaign full stop.

Hilarious stuff.

Nobody cares.

facehugger99

_blaaz wrote: »

Secondly,urban FG would tradionally been againest it,and would been tradional home for west-brits (i 100% apoligise to anyone if this phrase seems a slur,its not meant as one,i mean the literal definition of it)....
)

For those readers playing the Shinnerbot drinking game, the phrase 'West Brit', means you need to take a shot of vodka.

FrancieBrady

_blaaz wrote: »

Realistically though all main parties in ireland as part of their constitution a wish for reunification and any wishing to campaign againest it would also be wanting to change the constittuion of the state


Secondly,urban FG would tradionally been againest it,and would been tradional home for west-brits (i 100% apoligise to anyone if this phrase seems a slur,its not meant as one,i mean the literal definition of it)....

but they have been silenced and abandoned their position over carryon of brits in brexit negociations (just yesterday we had brit.politians on tv saying they shpuld come over here and either threathen or bribe the irish to make brexit easy for em)

I get what you are saying about urban FG, but even suspecting some of them may be against it, they haven't actually spoken against it.

_blaaz

10-15 years

facehugger99 wrote: »

For those readers playing the Shinnerbots drinking game, the phrase 'West Brit', means you need to take a shot of vodka.

I take offence at your repeated labeling of me as a shinnerbot


But as i said i meant no slur/insult by saying west brit....but it surely true to say urban FG have a large element of those who favour closer relations to the british (this is usually cited as defintion of west-brit...nothing wrong per se with it as a position)




But ya,keep screaming shinnerbot at anyone,who deosnt agree with yous in an effort to incite trouble and shutbdown debate...your so transparent its hilarious

Stop moaning ffs

10-15 years

facehugger99 wrote: »

Francie's confused why there's no campaign against a UI.

There's no campaign full stop.

Hilarious stuff.

Nobody cares.

You spend an awful lot of time on this for someone who doesn’t care

armaghlad

10-15 years

facehugger99 wrote: »

Francie's confused why there's no campaign against a UI.

There's no campaign full stop.

Hilarious stuff.

Nobody cares.

I’m confused that nobody cares but yet here you are, caring. West Brit logic 😂

facehugger99

_blaaz wrote: »

I take offence at your repeated labeling of me as a shinnerbot

You quack like a duck mate.

Don't get offended when people call you a duck.

FrancieBrady

facehugger99 wrote: »

You quack like a duck mate.

Don't get offended when people call you a duck.

Do us a favour FH, you have said your piece, you are not interested/don't care enough to get into more detailed debate. Just leave the thread alone and stop with the mud slinging designed to get a row going?

facehugger99

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Do us a favour FH, you have said your piece, you are not interested/don't care enough to get into more detailed debate. Just leave the thread alone and stop with the mud slinging designed to get a row going?

You backseat modding now Francie?

FrancieBrady

facehugger99 wrote: »

You backseat modding now Francie?

Asking a favour.

Stop moaning ffs

10-15 years

You haven’t made a single debatable point though Hugger. It’s always vague and lame attempts to attack the poster.
Always.

You could actually add a lot from your position if you tried

facehugger99

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Asking a favour.

Very selective outrage lad.

Partitionist and West Brit is fine,

Shinnerbot bad.

FrancieBrady

facehugger99 wrote: »

Very selective outrage lad.

Partitionist and West Brit is fine,

Shinnerbot bad.

What?

Tokyo

Mod:

FrancieBrady, facehugger99 - for the sake of my sanity, can you please quit the childish back and forth and actually add something to the conversation?

Fan of Netflix

30-40 years

I love when the likes of Mary Lou, various Nordies and SFers start offering to give up the tricolour and our anthem, and make the 12th a holiday in some sort of deal to the loyalists. Who do they think they are?

That's our flag and anthem, it's not up for debate or used as a Sinn Fein football. Either join on our terms in much the same state as now or jog on.

Stop moaning ffs

10-15 years

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

I love when the likes of Mary Lou, various Nordies and SFers start offering to give up the tricolour and our anthem, and make the 12th a holiday in some sort of deal to the loyalists. Who do they think they are?

That's our flag and anthem, it's not up for debate or used as a Sinn Fein football. Either join on our terms in much the same state as now or jog on.

Haven’t seen this happen.
Where did she say this?

Fan of Netflix

30-40 years

And another thing, I think the Nordies and SFers are going to get a serious land when the referendum to give them voting rights in October is rejected.

Fan of Netflix

30-40 years

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Haven’t seen this happen.
Where did she say this?

https://www.thejournal.ie/union-jack-sinn-fein-4217648-Sep2018/

https://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-rejoining-the-commonwealth-4174082-Aug2018/

Stop moaning ffs

10-15 years

I think you need to read the Articles and not just the headlines

Dyr

facehugger99 wrote: »

A couple of online Shinnerbots and their clappy seals?

Colour me worried.

I was listening to notorious Shinner Paul Gosling and Justice Richard Humphreys (obviously a closet Provie) discussing a UI on the BBC. Fair play to those Shinnerbots they seem to be getting a lot of traction in the media these days