How long before Irish reunification?

eagle eye

Ulster Says No. It will never happen

FrancieBrady wrote:

To an aforementioned 'alien' visiting this country, what would they logically assume from that?

Everything that was done was about ending theb troubles, for peace. It wasn't done for a UI.

Kermit.de.frog

There is rampant economic inactivity in the north - far higher than here. The unemployment figures are hugely misleading as they are stripping out inactivity.

Derry, for example, has a huge percentage welfare dependent population. It's like Limerick on crack.

We'd have to take that on in a United Ireland.

I think the north needs to sort itself out first and grow before we can have a United Ireland.

Otherwise when faced with the stark figures in a referendum people in the south will say no.

janfebmar

braidman wrote: »

was ne temere not responsible for the decline of southern prods as well as emigration

The massacre / murder of innocent protestants a century ago in places like Co. Cork did not help, and there was burning out and intimidation of other protestants. Of course the attitude of the RC Church towards the protestant partner in mixed marriages was deeply sectarian too.

Stop moaning ffs

10-15 years

janfebmar wrote: »

The massacre / murder of innocent protestants a century ago in places like Co. Cork did not help, and there was burning out and intimidation of other protestants. Of course the attitude of the RC Church towards the protestant partner in mixed marriages was deeply sectarian too.

‘Massacre of innocent Protestants’

Where was this now?

facehugger99

Even the suggestion of bomb threats would impact on the FDI sector on which the ROI is extremely dependent.

Between the 10 billion a year that NI requires and the likelyhood of billions more being lost due to terrorism, the economic effects of a UI would wreck our country for generations, it may in fact never recover.

We would finally end up in the economic wasteland that SF/IRA have always dreamed of.


There will never be a UI and never be a Border Poll.

janfebmar

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

‘Massacre of innocent Protestants’

Where was this now?

West Cork a century ago, for example. Thankfully times have changed.

Stop moaning ffs

10-15 years

janfebmar wrote: »

West Cork a century ago, for example. Thankfully times have changed.

Literally the first I’ve ever heard of it.
Can you provide a link to some info please?

janfebmar

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Literally the first I’ve ever heard of it.
Can you provide a link to some info please?

It was always played down by the Irish state, and never taught at school. Google the Dunmanway murders, where 10 protestants were killed, for example, or read some of the accounts by historian Peter Hart. There were "burnings out", intimidation and murder of innocents in other parts of the country too.

Stop moaning ffs

10-15 years

janfebmar wrote: »

It was always played down by the Irish state, and never taught at school. Google the Dunmanway murders, where 10 protestants were killed, for example, or read some of the accounts by historian Peter Hart. There were "burnings out", intimidation and murder of innocents in other parts of the country too.

So it was in response to British auxillaries burning Cork and causing millions in damage and thousands of job losses and an ongoing series of violence by auxiliaries and Black and Tans against civilians.

Interesting.

_blaaz

10-15 years

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Literally the first I’ve ever heard of it.
Can you provide a link to some info please?

http://www.theirishstory.com/2011/11/01/peter-hart-and-the-dunmanway-killings-controversy/#.XSru2h7hSdM


This would be a relatively balanced anlysis of it...terrible stuff killing people



You Should be cautioned againest peter hart,he was found out to have made up sources before though (in relation to kilmichael ambush in tan war/WOI)....a google of other main names in article deosnt throw up any such issues

janfebmar

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

So it was in response to British auxillaries burning Cork and causing millions in damage and thousands of job losses and an ongoing series of violence by auxiliaries and Black and Tans against civilians.

So at least you acknowledge the mass sectarian murders of innocent protestants by Republicans took place. There was plenty of intimidation and harassment and "burnings out", as well as the odd murder, that never made the history books. The winning side was Republicans, they literally wrote the history book in the 26 counties.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

janfebmar wrote: »

It was always played down by the Irish state, and never taught at school. Google the Dunmanway murders, where 10 protestants were killed, for example, or read some of the accounts by historian Peter Hart. There were "burnings out", intimidation and murder of innocents in other parts of the country too.

The Sinn Fein leadership condemned that at the time.

In that war, by the way, the opposition burned and sacked many small towns and villages in Ireland, beginning with Tuam in County Galway in July 1920 and also including Trim, Balbriggan, Knockcroghery, Thurles and Templemore. The seiged Tralee to starve it in medieval fashion, shooting civilians, abducting and murdering civilians, they sacked cork destroying the city centre. Catholic’a were burnt out as government policy. A tank or armoured car roled onto a major game at Croke Park, pointed its gun at the crowd and killed civilians.

There’s much more.

Stop moaning ffs

10-15 years

janfebmar wrote: »

So at least you acknowledge the mass sectarian murders of innocent protestants by Republicans took place.

Ten isn’t ‘mass murder’. If you really think the Black and Tans alone were peace love and daisies and didn’t murder vastly more people than the ten you mentioned, you haven’t been listening.

janfebmar

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Ten isn’t ‘mass murder’. If you really think the Black and Tans alone were peace love and daisies and didn’t murder vastly more people than the ten you mentioned, you haven’t been listening.

I listened to people who were old when I was young, which is a very long time ago. Do not try to tell me what happened then.

Dyr

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Literally the first I’ve ever heard of it.
Can you provide a link to some info please?

It's a crock of **** that Peter Hart came up, the same fella who somehow managed to interview IRA veterans from beyond the grave:D

FrancieBrady

facehugger99 wrote: »

Even the suggestion of bomb threats would impact on the FDI sector on which the ROI is extremely dependent.

Between the 10 billion a year that NI requires and the likelyhood of billions more being lost due to terrorism, the economic effects of a UI would wreck our country for generations, it may in fact never recover.

We would finally end up in the economic wasteland that SF/IRA have always dreamed of.


There will never be a UI and never be a Border Poll.

So you invent a 'dreamland' and then tell us that it will never happen?

NI will not require 10 billion. It doesn't cost that even now as you well know.

_blaaz

10-15 years

Bambi wrote: »

It's a crock of **** that Peter Hart came up, the same fella who somehow managed to interview IRA veterans from beyond the grave:D

Il have you clairvoyance,is a legtimate historical method of research


:pac:

FrancieBrady

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

The Sinn Fein leadership condemned that at the time.

In that war, by the way, the opposition burned and sacked many small towns and villages in Ireland, beginning with Tuam in County Galway in July 1920 and also including Trim, Balbriggan, Knockcroghery, Thurles and Templemore. The seiged Tralee to starve it in medieval fashion, shooting civilians, abducting and murdering civilians, they sacked cork destroying the city centre. Catholic’a were burnt out as government policy. A tank or armoured car roled onto a major game at Croke Park, pointed its gun at the crowd and killed civilians.

There’s much more.

Don't be stopping Janfebmar plucking yet another set of victims out of the context of what was happening, to exploit in her Brits Good, Irish Bad narrative.

janfebmar

Bambi wrote: »

It's a crock of **** that Peter Hart came up, the same fella who somehow managed to interview IRA veterans from beyond the grave:D

There were a lot more than a few innocent protestants murdered and burnt out and intimidated, that much is known. Hart was not all wrong.

Stop moaning ffs

10-15 years

janfebmar wrote: »

I listened to people who were old when I was young, which is a very long time ago. Do not try to tell me what happened then.

You only seem to be aware of one particular side of it. That’s not really how this works.

_blaaz

10-15 years

janfebmar wrote: »

Hart was not all wrong.

Tbf he justs make crazy sh1t up for attention......hes the gemma odoherty of historians


Is the fact he's only one running with your version of events,the least bit concerning for yous??

janfebmar

Republicans here only seem to be aware of one particular side of it. Indoctrination, it is called. Sad but true.

dudara

janfebmar wrote: »

I listened to people who were old when I was young, which is a very long time ago. Do not try to tell me what happened then.

As someone who grew up in mid-West cork, home of IRA flying columns, I similarly heard many stories from older people. We can choose to dwell on these stories, losing ourselves in a past we were not part of and carrying on their mistakes, or we can move forwards and not see the world through their lens.

I know which approach I prefer.

FrancieBrady

Republicans here were not even discussing it until you came in to exploit the victims on one side...yet again. And somehow it is Republicans that are 'unaware'. :D:rolleyes:

Stop moaning ffs

10-15 years

janfebmar wrote: »

Republicans here only seem to be aware of one particular side of it. Indoctrination, it is called. Sad but true.

We have a far better grasp of our history and identity than our British pals do of theirs or ours. That’s not indoctrination. That’s learning from the past and not repeating it and moving forward. Exactly because of past British atrocities in Ireland is why you’ll see this referendum sail through once it’s called.
You mightn’t like that but it won’t affect your day to day so don’t worry too much.

FrancieBrady

dudara wrote: »

As someone who grew up in mid-West cork, home of IRA flying columns, I similarly heard many stories from older people. We can choose to dwell on these stories, losing ourselves in a past we were not part of and carrying on their mistakes, or we can move forwards and not see the world through their lens.

I know which approach I prefer.

That is the problem with the partitionist mindset. Because it doesn't affect them physically they can ignore the violence and will do nothing to prevent it happening again or cyclically as it has here because of partition.
This time, it has the potential to begin again because of British lack of awareness or care for this island. That lack of care is plain for all to see now...even Unionists imo

Stop moaning ffs

10-15 years

Chilling read. UVF using women and kids as shields to build bonfires.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1150043563985690624?s=21

janfebmar

dudara wrote: »

As someone who grew up in mid-West cork, home of IRA flying columns, I similarly heard many stories from older people.

And yet many people are not even aware of the sectarian mass murder of protestants, and the intimidation and burnings out. History is often taught in our schools as " sure, the IRA were great lads altogether"

dudara

janfebmar wrote: »

And yet many people are not even aware of the sectarian mass murder of protestants, and the intimidation and burnings out. History is often taught in our schools as " sure, the IRA were great lads altogether"

Many people are well aware of the burning of the grand houses and the murder of members of the Royal Irish Constabulary. It was a war of Independence, it was not pretty and there were atrocities on both sides. But that was then and this is now.

FrancieBrady

janfebmar wrote: »

And yet many people are not even aware of the sectarian mass murder of protestants, and the intimidation and burnings out. History is often taught in our schools as " sure, the IRA were great lads altogether"

Just because people 100 years later dont go trawling for specific victims to exploit doesn't for a second mean that they don't know it was a time of conflict/war that saw atrocities committed by all.