How long before Irish reunification?

facehugger99

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Brexit going ahead will speed up the chances and likelihood of a border poll.

Brexit could easily be the thing that unites Ireland.

Taking on an economic basket case will be the last thing we’ll choose in the event of a hard brexit. You’re so far divorced from reality it’s actually hilarious.

RobMc59

10-15 years

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Brexit going ahead will speed up the chances and likelihood of a border poll.

Brexit could easily be the thing that unites Ireland.

A no deal brexit would probably create the best conditions for a possible UI but would Ireland want it?A brexit with a deal makes the possibility less clear and the UK remaining probably means there would`nt be a UI imo.

_blaaz

10-15 years

facehugger99 wrote: »

Taking on an economic basket case will be the last thing we’ll choose in the event of a hard brexit. You’re so far divorced from reality it’s actually hilarious.

Meh id vote for it.....dont want to see my friends/relatives from.both sides tied to that sinking ship or trapped behind a border




Have you actually provided data to support your viewpoint....or are you taking it as a given people wont vote for something over taxes....because the surge in vote for green party suggests otherwise,surely?

(Or the near record levels of pro eu sentiment,given we are due to pay more.and more into it??)

bobbysands81

facehugger99 wrote: »

Taking on an economic basket case will be the last thing we’ll choose in the event of a hard brexit. You’re so far divorced from reality it’s actually hilarious.

Any chance you’ll answer the questions directed at you. You’re talking in generalizations and refuse to back up anything you say with anything resembling fact. Your opinion is that, an opinion, it’s not a fact no matter how much you want it to be.

I’m surprised you’ve not been pulled up for trolling yet given the standard of your replies.

The truth is that every sector of society in every age group in every geographical location in the Republic appears to be in favour of a United Ireland. You’ve produced nothing to back up any assertions you’ve made.

FrancieBrady

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Any chance you’ll answer the questions directed at you.You’re talking in generalizations and refuse to back up anything you say with anything resembling fact.

Not to mention having a remarkable crystal ball which seems to see things totally differently to every poll going. It even converts 37% to a 'massive majority. :rolleyes:

FrancieBrady

janfebmar wrote: »

Brexit could make everyone in Ireland a lot worse off too. and cause violence and division.

Which is why the sensible people see the solution as unification. This solving most of our problems, all of the UK's in terms of getting out of the EU, and the EU's problems with securing it's borders.

Absolutely sensible solution for everyone bar a few belligerent Unionists and even fewer partitionists.

facehugger99

bobbysands81 wrote: »

I’m surprised you’ve not been pulled up for trolling yet given the standard of your replies.
.

Why not report me, see how you get on?

Maybe you’d be more comfortable in an echo chamber? There’s probably a safe space for lads like yourself that don’t like a harsh dose of reality when dreaming of a UI.

FrancieBrady

facehugger99 wrote: »

Why not report me, see how you get on?

Maybe you’d be more comfortable in an echo chamber? There’s probably a safe space for lads like yourself that don’t like a harsh dose of reality when dreaming of a UI.

You keep talking about this 'reality' but offer nothing real to back it up. Not a single political voice is in line with you and a few other regular keyboard partitionists.

_blaaz

10-15 years

facehugger99 wrote: »

Why not report me, see how you get on?

Maybe you’d be more comfortable in an echo chamber? There’s probably a safe space for lads like yourself that don’t like a harsh dose of reality when dreaming of a UI.

Its hardly echo chamber seeking to want people to back up their opioions they keep shouting over everyone else?

Junkyard Tom

30-40 years

If a crash-out Brexit happens then a United Ireland could be an effective rescue mission for the north - there'd be a strengthened moral argument to add to the historic one.

FrancieBrady

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

If a crash-out Brexit happens then a United Ireland could be an effective rescue mission for the north - there'd be a strengthened moral argument to add to the historic one.

I think it becomes an imperative to rescue us to. Especially farming.

bobbysands81

facehugger99 wrote: »

Why not report me, see how you get on?

Maybe you’d be more comfortable in an echo chamber? There’s probably a safe space for lads like yourself that don’t like a harsh dose of reality when dreaming of a UI.

I’m trying to debate with you but you’re offering nothing back.

Your idea of debate is akin to sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting that you’re not listening.

facehugger99

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I think it becomes an imperative to rescue us to. Especially farming.

Post up something real to back that up Francie - you know not spoof, some actual budgeted figures of how a UI will be better off in a Brexit scenario than the current arrangement. Include all the costs and benefits

Go into as much detail as you can manage - good lad.

_blaaz

10-15 years

facehugger99 wrote: »

Post up something real to back that up Francie - you know not spoof, some actual budgeted figures of how a UI will be better off in a Brexit scenario than the current arrangement. Include all the costs and benefits

Go into as much detail as you can manage - good lad.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.irishexaminer.com/business/united-irish-economy-could-deliver-boost-of-36bn-388959.html



The most conservative scenario is based over 15 years....


But is tied to perpetual econmoic growth,something im.skeptical of.....im.a fan of nz style growth,which places public first,econmy second

FrancieBrady

facehugger99 wrote: »

Post up something real to back that up Francie - you know not spoof, some actual budgeted figures of how a UI will be better off in a Brexit scenario than the current arrangement. Include all the costs and benefits

Go into as much detail as you can manage - good lad.

Well, this forum is not the place for the detail you require, but contrary to the 'nothingness' you have supplied to back your points, there is loads of info out there, from which you can form a view.
Everybody is working on these scenarios, Brexit and a UI. Nobody seems to be working on rejection of a UI bar Unionists though.
https://www.teagasc.ie/media/website/publications/2018/BSAS_Hanrahan_Brexit_Ireland.pdf

https://www.ifa.ie/brexit/

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/brexit-and-irish-beef-farms-whats-the-potential-impact/

https://dbei.gov.ie/en/Publications/Publication-files/Ireland-and-the-Impacts-of-Brexit.pdf

https://www.politico.eu/article/ireland-no-deal-brexit-tariff-fears/

facehugger99

_blaaz wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.irishexaminer.com/business/united-irish-economy-could-deliver-boost-of-36bn-388959.html



The most conservative scenario is based over 15 years....


But is tied to perpetual econmoic growth,something im.skeptical of.....im.a fan of nz style growth,which places public first,econmy second

Arf, the report that was debunked pages ago in this very thread?:D

You know all the figures were made up in that report, yeah?

Even Francie is distancing himself from it after getting his arse handed to him the last time he tried to peddle it on here.

eagle eye

Ulster Says No. It will never happen

FrancieBrady wrote:

Absolutely sensible solution for everyone bar a few belligerent Unionists and even fewer partitionists.

You say a few unionists, how many is a few?

facehugger99

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Well, this forum is not the place for the detail you require, but contrary to the 'nothingness' you have supplied to back your points, there is loads of info out there, from which you can form a view.
Everybody is working on these scenarios, Brexit and a UI. Nobody seems to be working on rejection of a UI bar Unionists though.
https://www.teagasc.ie/media/website/publications/2018/BSAS_Hanrahan_Brexit_Ireland.pdf

https://www.ifa.ie/brexit/

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/brexit-and-irish-beef-farms-whats-the-potential-impact/

https://dbei.gov.ie/en/Publications/Publication-files/Ireland-and-the-Impacts-of-Brexit.pdf

https://www.politico.eu/article/ireland-no-deal-brexit-tariff-fears/

I didn't ask you to post up reports saying that Brexit will be bad for us - any idiot knows thats the case.

I asked you to post up something to back up what you actually said -

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I think it becomes an imperative to rescue us to. Especially farming.

Don't be trying to move the goalposts or wriggle out if it by posting up irrelevant links

Funny how this forum is not the place for detail when you're the one being called on to provide it :rolleyes:

FrancieBrady

eagle eye wrote: »

You say a few unionists, how many is a few?

The vast majority of Unionists will accept a UI (reluctantly of course).
The are democrats ultimately, as far as I can see. Their political representatives have said this as well.

_blaaz

10-15 years

facehugger99 wrote: »

Arf, the report that was debunked pages ago in this very thread?:D

You know all the figures were made up in that

Where debunked??


Tbf any future looking into report is going to made up/projected figures,surely??(seems a spurious reason to dismiss something yous looked for?)



As i said,i remain skeptical of perpetual growth/econmic growth for sake of it.....but it deos seem to me ar least,ive provided (or attempted to) some evidence as opposed to shouting over everyone,thinking opioion is fact and screaming shinnerbot at people who dare question it?

eagle eye

Ulster Says No. It will never happen

FrancieBrady wrote:

The vast majority of Unionists will accept a UI (reluctantly of course). The are democrats ultimately, as far as I can see. Their political representatives have said this as well.

Have you proof of this? Links to support your statement there?

FrancieBrady

facehugger99 wrote: »

I didn't ask you to post up reports saying that Brexit will be bad for us - any idiot knows thats the case.

I asked you to post up something to back up what you actually said -



Don't be trying to move the goalposts or wriggle out if it by posting up irrelevant links

Farming will be massively harmed by Brexit and because the island will have to different jurisdictions. Read the reports.

That is what I said. There will also be impacts on business in general too. A whole island economy in the EU will insulate us from a lot of the negative effects. Have you not been listening to the discussion for the last three years?

janfebmar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Well, this forum is not the place for the detail you require, but contrary to the 'nothingness' you have supplied to back your points, there is loads of info out there, from which you can form a view.
Everybody is working on these scenarios, Brexit and a UI. Nobody seems to be working on rejection of a UI bar Unionists though.
https://www.teagasc.ie/media/website/publications/2018/BSAS_Hanrahan_Brexit_Ireland.pdf

https://www.ifa.ie/brexit/

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/brexit-and-irish-beef-farms-whats-the-potential-impact/

https://dbei.gov.ie/en/Publications/Publication-files/Ireland-and-the-Impacts-of-Brexit.pdf

https://www.politico.eu/article/ireland-no-deal-brexit-tariff-fears/

So you would have no hard figures on how the country could afford the many billions it takes to keep N I going, even with public sector wages there being less than here as they are now.
I opened up one of your links at random and all it said was the UK was our biggest customers / market for agricultural product, being 40% of our exports. Seems like if Brexit goes ahead our farmers may not sell as much in to the UK as they do currently, so I think we could have other things to worry about, especially if and when interest rates rise on our huge national debt.

facehugger99

_blaaz wrote: »

Where debunked??


Tbf any future looking into report is going to made up/projected figures,surely??(seems a spurious reason to dismiss something yous looked for?)



As i said,i remain skeptical of perpetual growth/econmic growth for sake of it.....but it deos seem to me ar least,ive provided (or attempted to) some evidence as opposed to shouting over everyone,thinking opioion is fact and screaming shinnerbot at people who dare question it?

Current arrangement suits me fine - I don't need to convince anyone of anything because I'm not proposing to change anything.

If you think some makey-uppy report constitutes any kind of 'evidence' of the economic benefits or a UI, you're deluded.

Rest assured, smarter people than you or me will crunch the numbers if the time ever comes, the fact that they haven't yet is an illustration of how remote a possibility of it ever actually happening is.

facehugger99

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Farming will be massively harmed by Brexit and because the island will have to different jurisdictions. Read the reports.

That is what I said. There will also be impacts on business in general too. A whole island economy in the EU will insulate us from a lot of the negative effects. Have you not been listening to the discussion for the last three years?

It's apparent you have nothing to back up your statements - once again you've been caught out spoofing.

_blaaz

10-15 years

facehugger99 wrote: »

Current arrangement suits me fine - I don't need to convince anyone of anything because I'm not proposing to change anything.

Tbf its obvious to anyone reading thread,you dont have anything to support your viewpoint

If you think some makey-uppy report constitutes any kind of 'evidence' of the economic benefits or a UI, you're deluded.

as ive said any report into future econmic performances,will surely use projected figures??....quite why this is earth shatterinf to you...is something you have to come.to terms with

Rest assured, smarter people than you or me will crunch the numbers if the time ever comes, the fact that they haven't yet is an illustration of how remote a possibility of it ever actually happening is.

Id be suprised if the dept of finace hasnt already tbh

FrancieBrady

eagle eye wrote: »

Have you proof of this? Links to support your statement there?

Poll in 2014 shows that 75% of the people of NI would accept a vote for unity.

https://www.ark.ac.uk/nilt/2014/Political_Attitudes/FUTURE1.html

FrancieBrady

facehugger99 wrote: »

It's apparent you have nothing to back up your statements - once again you've been caught out spoofing.

janfebmar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Poll in 2014 shows that 75% of the people of NI would accept a vote for unity.

https://www.ark.ac.uk/nilt/2014/Political_Attitudes/FUTURE1.html

That means up to a whopping 25 % of the people would not. You better pray a vote for a United Ireland will not happen.

_blaaz

10-15 years

janfebmar wrote: »

That means up to a whopping 25 % of the people would not. You better pray a vote for a United Ireland will not happen.

Nothing quite undermines democracy like saying 25% should run roost over 75% of population with threat of violence