How long before Irish reunification?

Feisar

Ulster Says No. It will never happen

Is there anything wrong with NI being NI?

As a Mexican that has lived and worked there the people have their own culture and identity. Like no point in asking for a rasher sambo on the Falls Road!

janfebmar

_blaaz wrote: »

I still fail to see moral difference between killing someone if your in an army/police or if your in a paramilitary??

Killing people is immoral irregardless


Either your againest violence/gunmen or your not imo

(kinda sickened i missed being the 1916 post :pac: .....kudos odhinn)

Do you still have no sympathy for poor Jerry McCabe and other Gardai / army shot by illegal paramilitaries? If the security forces of a democratically elected government / state cannot defend themselves or the state, then surely it would only be a short step then to an illegal army or paramilitaries taking over?

20-30 years

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_blaaz

10-15 years

janfebmar wrote: »

Do you still have no sympathy for poor Jerry McCabe and other Gardai / army shot by illegal paramilitaries? If the security forces of a democratically elected government / state cannot defend themselves or the state, then surely it would only be a short step then to an illegal army or paramilitaries taking over?

Like i said...no sympathy for.gunmen tbh,we've had enough that here


Why your struggling to accept a differing opioion to yours is beyond me......you cant critise paramilitaries for violence while supporting army.and armed police imo (and vice versa)




(Congrats on the 1922 post btw,to.mark irish independance)

janfebmar

_blaaz wrote: »

Like i said...no sympathy for.gunmen tbh,we've had enough that here

But do you think - seemingly you do - that a detective Garda, highly respected in the community, and part of whose job it was to protect financial institutions from large scale armed robbery by armed gangs, was a "gunman"? You are putting armed detectives / armed Gardai on the same moral platform as those people who murdered him?

_blaaz

10-15 years

janfebmar wrote: »

You are putting armed detectives / armed Gardai on the same moral platform as those people who murdered him?

Only on same moral platform...if theyve killed someone?


Killing is immoral imo,guns are designed to kill,people who carry guns have immoral intent/ability to kill,which itself is immoral


Now that being said abortion is also killing and immoral,and i barely voted for that,

So my views on morality are skewed,could be subject to inquiry

Time

30-40 years

_blaaz wrote: »

Only on same moral platform...if theyve killed someone?


Killing is immoral imo,guns are designed to kill,people who carry guns have immoral intent/ability to kill,which itself is immoral


Now that being said abortion is also killing and immoral,and i barely voted for that,

So my views on morality are skewed,could be subject to inquiry

Would you consider your self a bit of an anarchist? It seems like your kind of against the idea of the states right to violence which kind of underpins the enforceability of laws etc.. on society

_blaaz

10-15 years

Time wrote: »

Would you consider your self a bit of an anarchist? It seems like your kind of against the idea of the states right to violence which kind of underpins the enforceability of laws etc.. on society

Tbh im not too into political theory/buying into idelogys

Like id be broadly nationlist/republican but can see inherent flaws in it....

be broadly leftish in outlook but can see how people get on board with trump/alt-right too

Be very understanding of how/why many people got on board with brexit etc,but dispise farage and johnson and what they stand for.....

same as with europe broadly agree with lot of what its aims is......but can see the glaring faults.and issues facing it going forward,some of which to.me are near insurmontable



As for being anarchist/fasist....i can see how people find either attractive.....but i believe a government/police force operate by consent and shouldnt force laws/rules onto society....IE...this green wave (while.i support it)...if it isnt done properly will backfire and be met with rightful contempt


but in reality...i just like.a good discussion based on factual info,not misrepresentation of info.....

Lads critising paramilitaries while ignoring/excusing security forces doing similar/in many cases even helping other paramilitaries do similar need calling out imo



(Sorry for long rambling post)

cj maxx

Feisar wrote: »

Is there anything wrong with NI being NI?

As a Mexican that has lived and worked there the people have their own culture and identity. Like no point in asking for a rasher sambo on the Falls Road!

Smart ass. Just because you lived for a while the north you think it ok to call those in the republic Mexicans, ****ing sap !!

eagle eye

Ulster Says No. It will never happen

_blaaz wrote:

I taught they should been sent down for murder tbh and released under the gfa

But they had guns so you shouldn't feel sorry for them and they shouldn't be released under any agreement based on your opinion of people who carry guns.

_blaaz

10-15 years

eagle eye wrote: »

But they had guns so you shouldn't feel sorry for them

I dont feel sympathy for em??

and they shouldn't be released under any agreement based on your opinion of people who carry guns.

And nowhere have i said anything approaching this ...get some sleep your imagination is running away with you :pac:

eagle eye

Ulster Says No. It will never happen

_blaaz wrote:

And nowhere have i said anything approaching this ...get some sleep your imagination is running away with you

You said they should be released under the GFA.

FrancieBrady

eagle eye wrote: »

You said they should be released under the GFA.

Why are you people suddenly trying to re-negotiate the GFA. Didn't you know all this at the time...releases and majorities etc?
People were released from both sides, that was the deal.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They wish to change the 'majority' required to 85% or higher...add an option no political voice has asked for, for starters.
And most partitionists here don't care what the majority vote for if it 'costs' them, nor do they care that people are still dying.

People are still dying because they are being killed, that is on those doing the killing, as it always was.

eagle eye

Ulster Says No. It will never happen

FrancieBrady wrote:

Why are you people suddenly trying to re-negotiate the GFA. Didn't you know all this at the time...releases and majorities etc? People were released from both sides, that was the deal.

The guy said he didn't feel sorry for Gerry McCabe because he was carrying a gun. I asked him if he felt sorry for the murderers and he came back saying they should get released under the GFA. That's hypocritical of him.
And as for the GFA deal, those guys had no need to kill Gerry McCabe, it appeared to many that it was actually a hit and not just something that happened during a robbery. They should all still be in jail doing life.

FrancieBrady

eagle eye wrote: »

The guy said he didn't feel sorry for Gerry McCabe because he was carrying a gun. I asked him if he felt sorry for the murderers and he came back saying they should get released under the GFA. That's hypocritical of him.
And as for the GFA deal, those guys had no need to kill Gerry McCabe, it appeared to many that it was actually a hit and not just something that happened during a robbery. They should all still be in jail doing life.

The time to object was at the vote for the GFA.

If you didn't read it/understand it, perhaps you should have.

Victims families on both sides had to swallow very very hard so that we all could live in some kind of peace.

eagle eye

Ulster Says No. It will never happen

FrancieBrady wrote:

Victims families on both sides had to swallow very very hard so that we all could live in some kind of peace.

This is ridiculous. It's understandable that people were released for stuff that happened which involved both sides of the conflict. This whole incident was criminality no matter what way you look at it. It was a robbery and then a Garda was shot. This had nothing to do with the conflict.

FrancieBrady

eagle eye wrote: »

This is ridiculous. It's understandable that people were released for stuff that happened which involved both sides of the conflict. This whole incident was criminality no matter what way you look at it. It was a robbery and then a Garda was shot. This had nothing to do with the conflict.

I didn't negotiate the deal, but I voted for it.
I haven't once regretted that and I haven't once cherrypicked a released prisoner from any side to complain about either. Because I knew what I was agreeing to and what it would entail.

eagle eye

Ulster Says No. It will never happen

FrancieBrady wrote:

I didn't negotiate the deal, but I voted for it. I haven't once regretted that and I haven't once cherrypicked a released prisoner from any side to complain about either. Because I knew what I was agreeing to and what it would entail.

That's not the reason and you well know it but don't want to admit it here.
It's clear you are, or at least were, an IRA sympathiser at the very least.

_blaaz

10-15 years

eagle eye wrote: »

You said they should be released under the GFA.

Yes??
As 100s more were

_blaaz

10-15 years

eagle eye wrote: »

The guy said he didn't feel sorry for Gerry McCabe because he was carrying a gun. I asked him if he felt sorry for the murderers and he came back saying they should get released under the GFA. That's hypocritical of him.

You do know there were literally 100s of murderers released undwr the gfa,right??

And as for the GFA deal, those guys had no need to kill Gerry McCabe, it appeared to many that it was actually a hit and not just something that happened during a robbery. They should all still be in jail doing life.

Why in your opioion is a gaurds life,worth more than anyone else killed in troubles....yous accuse me of hyprocrisy while holding this belief??

janfebmar

eagle eye wrote: »

This is ridiculous. It's understandable that people were released for stuff that happened which involved both sides of the conflict. This whole incident was criminality no matter what way you look at it. It was a robbery and then a Garda was shot. This had nothing to do with the conflict.

The pira were stealing, not for the first and last time, from you and me, because who had to foot the bill for the massive bank and post office robberies at the end of the day, and pay for the extra security to protect them?

Fionn1952

15-20 years

Feisar wrote: »

Is there anything wrong with NI being NI?

As a Mexican that has lived and worked there the people have their own culture and identity. Like no point in asking for a rasher sambo on the Falls Road!

To be fair, theres not a person on the falls who would use the phrase rather sambo, but nor is there anyone who wouldn't understand it if you asked for it.

People from Donegal, Cork, Mayo and Dublin all have different cultures and identities and all. So what?

_blaaz

10-15 years

janfebmar wrote: »

The pira were stealing, not for the first and last time, from you and me, because who had to foot the bill for the massive bank and post office robberies at the end of the day, and pay for the extra security to protect them?

The fact there was nothing stolen/no effort to steal anything is ultimately what undermines your post imo


It politically suited everyone involved SF,the government etc etc to claim it as a robbery,but it was no such thing imo

janfebmar

_blaaz wrote: »

The fact there was nothing stolen/no effort to steal anything is ultimately what undermines your post imo

You are aware the pIRA carried out dozens of bank robberies in this state during the troubles? And the pIRA gang were not carrying loaded AK47 machine guns for the fun of it?

_blaaz

10-15 years

janfebmar wrote: »

You are aware the pIRA carried out dozens of bank robberies in this state during the troubles? And the pIRA gang were not carrying loaded AK47 machine guns for the fun of it?

I am.aware of this??


Surely to call it a robbery would require something to be stolen/effort made to rob...


Call a spade a spade...it was a pure and utter hit

janfebmar

_blaaz wrote: »

I am.aware of this??


Surely to call it a robbery would require something to be stolen/effort made to rob...


Call a spade a spade...it was a pure and utter hit

An attempted robbery. You think the murder of a Garda was a "hit" and you have no sympathy for the Garda involved. Says it all.

_blaaz

10-15 years

janfebmar wrote: »

An attempted robbery

It wasnt an attempted robbery?


Do you not think there should been some effort to.actually rob the van to be called an attempted robbery??

Quite why you wish to absolve the pira of intentionly killing a gaurd is beyond me and smacks of just being entrenched and going againest obvious facts

janfebmar

_blaaz wrote: »

It wasnt an attempted robbery?


Do you not think there should been some effort to.actually rob the van to be called an attempted robbery??

Quite why you wish to absolve the pira of intentionly murdering a gaurd is beyond me

So the armed pIRA gang , who shot the Garda you have no sympathy for, were doing what exactly or on what sort of a mission when they shot the poor garda?

It does not really matter if it was an attempted robbery or whatever, the pira gang shot the detective Garda and you have no sympathy for the Garda and think he should have been shot because he was an armed Guard

_blaaz

10-15 years

janfebmar wrote: »

So the armed pIRA gang , who shot the Garda you have no sympathy for, were doing what exactly or on what sort of a mission when they shot the poor garda?

They went out to kill him(well i believe it was his collegue who.was targeted)....with an upcoming ceasefire was a settling of old scores


.btw i have no.sympathy for those who killed him.either (its fair retarded this needs saying)......i believe the circumstances and motivations for killing need examining and it would take fair level of delusion to think this wasnt a targeted killing