How long before Irish reunification?

RobMc59

10-15 years

Fionn1952 wrote: »

If they don't think a UI is a good idea, they aren't Republicans. This isn't a criticism of them, they're absolutely entitled to not favour unification.....but by definition, they aren't Republican, in the Irish sense.

To be fair though, I don't think your, 'border county inlaws' exist, any more than you're just an unbiased English bloke trying to get a little bit of information.

That`s quite a funny theory you have fionn-I don`t have to prove what I say is true to you but apart from the fact my wife is from Drogheda(which is in Louth,a border county)My family are originally from the East Donegal/Derry area,my family name is also on the Ulster Covenant-the reason I was interested in your boards name is because it is a name associated with my own family name.

facehugger99

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You are part of the Can Pay, Won't Pay set, useless to society but the first to whinge...always.

:rolleyes:

Have the personal insults against posters who don't share your narrow fundamentalist views not gotten a bit old at this stage Francie?

FrancieBrady

facehugger99 wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Have the personal insults against posters who don't share your narrow fundamentalist views not gotten a bit old at this stage Francie?

How is it an insult?...you have been speaking for people you claim will not pay for a UI.

Why is it when people get it pointed it out to them that they are 'such and such' they get so offended?

People who Can Pay and Won't Pay for what the majority wish to do (i.e. in the event of a majority vote for a UI) are useless to a society.

We all pay for things we don't benefit from...that is part of your social contract.

facehugger99

FrancieBrady wrote: »

People who Can Pay and Won't Pay for what the majority wish to do (i.e. in the event of a majority vote for a UI) are useless to a society.

Very strange talk from your again Francie.

Last week you spoke of relocating the Protestant population form Northern Ireland post-unification.

Now you throw around phrases such as "useless to society" at those who don't share your rather curious views.

Your choice of language provides a telling glimpse into your ways of thinking - far more so than you would wish I suspect.

I'll leave it for a Mod to determine it's appropriateness - personally I find it's echos of other 20th century political philosophies very disturbing.

FrancieBrady

facehugger99 wrote: »

Very strange talk from your again Francie.

Last week you spoke of relocating the Protestant population form Northern Ireland post-unification.

Now you throw around phrases such as "useless to society" at those who don't share your rather curious views.

Your choice of language provides a telling glimpse into your ways of thinking - far more so than you would wish I suspect.

I'll leave it for a Mod to determine it's appropriateness - personally I find it's echos of other 20th century political philosophies very disturbing.

I asked what partitionists proposed to do about those who said they couldn't live in a UI while those with the means (Arlene Foster ) were able to leave.

Apart from a desperate attempt to portray that as ethnic cleansing, partitionists don't have a proposal. Like they said to those origninally partitioned, it is like it or lump it, apparently.

Laois_Man

Ulster Says No. It will never happen

Mary Lou is going far with this today.....talking about a debate on a United Ireland joining the commonwealth, changing the national anthem and changing the Ireland flag!

https://twitter.com/JOEdotie/status/1156991626385985537

Water John

Any UI would require a major rethink on all our structures and trappings.
The tricolour for example is a fairly recent invention. Before that we had green and before that St. Patrick's Blue was the colour associated with the island.
We certainly would have regional Govn't structures. Someone might say we're a small country for such but the political reality needs it.
A new anthem would also have to be inclusive and maybe less about blood and war. Our anthem too is a recent composition.

FrancieBrady

Laois_Man wrote: »

Mary Lou is going far with this today.....talking about a debate on a United Ireland joining the commonwealth, changing the national anthem and changing the Ireland flag!

https://twitter.com/JOEdotie/status/1156991626385985537

She's being controlled by wizened bitter old men with long white beards polishing Kalashnikov's, (ooh matron!) living in the hills of Antrim somewhere, allegedly.

axlmac

Ulster Says No. It will never happen

I'm a prod from the north in a mixed marriage with - dare I say it - a southern Catholic. Even had the priest and the minister administer the wedding.

Not sure if that gives me more of an insight - but after all the hours and minutes (sober and on the sesh) - I've spent thinking and debating this topic I've made two obersations:

1. I believe the most effective way to unity is normalising the day to day stuff - e.g. Doing business across the border, going to uni across the border, competing at sporting events across the border, pulling birds from across the border (alas those days, few and far between, are over) rather than the grand political / demographic announcements / demonstrations etc etc

This leads to my second observation:

2. Your views change/evolve as you get older and see life - and other people's lives - from a different perspective (i.e. I'm no longer the rabid republican I was at 16... Yeah who knew a prod could even be one) but I do still believe in the fundamental benefits of unity.

Anyway that's my two cents... Back to my pint.

blinding

10-15 years

Laois_Man wrote: »

Mary Lou is going far with this today.....talking about a debate on a United Ireland joining the commonwealth, changing the national anthem and changing the Ireland flag!

https://twitter.com/JOEdotie/status/1156991626385985537

Might I suggest one of the conditions is that no one will have to listen to Mary Lou .:eek:

She’d turn you to Unionism with whiskey :eek:

blinding

10-15 years

axlmac wrote: »

I'm a prod from the north in a mixed marriage with - dare I say it - a southern Catholic. Even had the priest and the minister administer the wedding.

Not sure if that gives me more of an insight - but after all the hours and minutes (sober and on the sesh) - I've spent thinking and debating this topic I've made two obersations:

1. I believe the most effective way to unity is normalising the day to day stuff - e.g. Doing business across the border, going to uni across the border, competing at sporting events across the border, pulling birds from across the border (alas those days, few and far between, are over) rather than the grand political / demographic announcements / demonstrations etc etc

This leads to my second observation:

2. Your views change/evolve as you get older and see life - and other people's lives - from a different perspective (i.e. I'm no longer the rabid republican I was at 16... Yeah who knew a prod could even be one) but I do still believe in the fundamental benefits of unity.

Anyway that's my two cents... Back to my pint.

What makes you think the voice of reason is in any way useful in Irish political discussion ?:eek:

Are you some sort of undesirable anarchist

Dyr

Water John wrote: »

Any UI would require a major rethink on all our structures and trappings.
The tricolour for example is a fairly recent invention. Before that we had green and before that St. Patrick's Blue was the colour associated with the island.
We certainly would have regional Govn't structures. Someone might say we're a small country for such but the political reality needs it.
A new anthem would also have to be inclusive and maybe less about blood and war. Our anthem too is a recent composition.

Saint Patrick's blue and St Patrick's Saltire are British inventions

trashcan

Water John wrote: »

A new anthem would also have to be inclusive and maybe less about blood and war. Our anthem too is a recent composition.

As long as it's not Irelands Call :eek:

Alternative Ulster anyone ?:cool:

facehugger99

Laois_Man wrote: »

Mary Lou is going far with this today....

If there's one thing the recent elections have shown, nobody really gives a sh;te what that foghorn-voiced idiot thinks.

_blaaz

10-15 years

Laois_Man wrote: »

Mary Lou is going far with this today.....talking about a debate on a United Ireland joining the commonwealth, changing the national anthem and changing the Ireland flag!

https://twitter.com/JOEdotie/status/1156991626385985537

Personally wouldnt support any of these....but should be open for debate in reunification talks surely


Hardly unreasonable to expect everyones voice to be heard and all views/opipions thrashed out???
(except horrible trolls who think a UI should be blocked as it would give unionists a voice and have resorted to just.simply abusing other posters,in effort to get thread shut down)

facehugger99

20-30 years

facehugger99 wrote: »

You’re so far divorced from reality it’s actually hilarious.

facehugger99 wrote: »

Shinnerbot nonsense with makey-uppey figures

facehugger99 wrote: »

you are hilariously deluded.

facehugger99 wrote: »

You quack like a duck mate.

Don't get offended when people call you a duck.

facehugger99 wrote: »

You should get away from the echo-chambers you hang around in and realise just how far outside the norms of society your hardline ultra-nationalist views are.

facehugger99 wrote: »

Well, your opinion on matters unification can safely be dismissed as an irrelevance.

facehugger99 wrote: »

Your opinion isn't worth a wet fart in a thunderstorm.

facehugger99 wrote: »

It must be a great frustration that the little revenge-porn fantasies you have for the Unionists will never be realised.

facehugger99 wrote: »

Awww - he learned how to read.

I'm so proud of you - you're a big boy now :pac:

Let me know if you need your hand held during any other bits.

facehugger99 wrote: »

...your little Shinnerbot wet-dream.... Shinnerbot pipe-dream... the most hardened Shinnerbots know deep down....SF/IRA...pan-nationalists....The kind of 'sure it'll be grand' approach might go down well in Shinnerbot-central.... (you manage the remarkable feat of calling other posters in this thread who disagree with you 'Shinners' or 'Shinnerbots' in no fewer than 17 posts. Impressive.)

We don't do irony, but:

facehugger99 wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Have the personal insults against posters who don't share your narrow fundamentalist views not gotten a bit old at this stage Francie?

facehugger99

20-30 years

facehugger99 wrote: »

Couldn't care less TBH.

Not my concern.

facehugger99 wrote: »

Nobody cares.

facehugger99 wrote: »

nobody else really gives a ****e about a UI on a day-to-day basis, other than the Shinners.

With a staggering 187 posts in a thread about Irish reunification, you seem to care very, very deeply. The level of self-awareness here is formidable.

janfebmar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You are part of the Can Pay, Won't Pay set, useless to society but the first to whinge...always.

Says the person who whinges most about "partition" and "partionists".

facehugger99

[Deleted User] wrote: »

With a staggering 187 posts in a thread about Irish reunification, you seem to care very, very deeply. The level of self-awareness here is formidable.

Great you have such interest in my posts. Keep reading them, you might learn something.

BTW if you're staggered by my post count, don't look at Francie's, you might get a stroke or something.

I'd trawl through your posts if I didn't have anything better to do, but most of them bore me TBH.

FrancieBrady

facehugger99 wrote: »

Great you have such interest in my posts. Keep reading them, you might learn something.

BTW if you're staggered by my post count, don't look at Francie's, you might get a stroke or something.

I'd trawl through your posts if I didn't have anything better to do, but most of them bore me TBH.

I care about a UI, you claim you don't.

Which of your posts is there something to 'learn' in btw...the 37% is a 'vast majority' one? :D

eire4

facehugger99 wrote: »

There might be some vague background aspiration but nobody else really gives a ****e about a UI on a day-to-day basis, other than the Shinners.

You can even see it evidenced on this thread with the same 3-4 Shinnerbot clappy-seals fervently thanking each other's posts.


If people were ever asked to put their own tax-euros toward it it would be soundly defeated.

I have never voted Sinn Féin and I care deeply about a united Ireland and firmly believe it would be a good for all the people on our island. Your against it thats fine thats your opinion but just that your opinion.

blinding

10-15 years

I see Leo is going to see Boris .... to beg him to keep the North .

FrancieBrady

blinding wrote: »

I see Leo is going to see Boris .... to beg him to keep the North .

Where are you seeing that?

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I care about a UI, you claim you don't.

Which of your posts is there something to 'learn' in btw...the 37% is a 'vast majority' one? :D

It is clear that you do care about a united Ireland, but to such an extent that you seem determined to shout down any contrary view by dominating every thread on the subject and demonising opposition to a united Ireland.

You have never conceded that a reasonable opinion is that it is far too soon for a united Ireland, it will cost too much, and the current status quo is an acceptable compromise endorsed in the GFA by referenda North and South.

eire4 wrote: »

I have never voted Sinn Féin and I care deeply about a united Ireland and firmly believe it would be a good for all the people on our island. Your against it thats fine thats your opinion but just that your opinion.

It seems that Sinn Fein are in even greater electoral trouble than I thought. Not even the United Ireland supporters on here are voting for them.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

It is clear that you do care about a united Ireland, but to such an extent that you seem determined to shout down any contrary view by dominating every thread on the subject and demonising opposition to a united Ireland.

I haven't shouted down anybody. I think Fuaranach has compiled a neat summation of who is doing the shouting here.

You have never conceded that a reasonable opinion is that it is far too soon for a united Ireland, it will cost too much, and the current status quo is an acceptable compromise endorsed in the GFA by referenda North and South.


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I will never concede it because it isn't acceptable.

The GFA has been stagnated by the DUP and that is why it has come to a full stop.

It was intended that the GFA was a process working towards a test of the electorate with a border poll.

facehugger99

blanch152 wrote: »

It seems that Sinn Fein are in even greater electoral trouble than I thought. Not even the United Ireland supporters on here are voting for them.

It's always surprising the amount of posters that align with SF on almost every issue and yet are not SF voters.

Francie has 22,000 posts, I don't think I've ever read one which didn't agree with SF policy or was even mildly critical of SF and yet he doesn't even vote for them apparently :pac: - he must be spoiled for choice when it comes to election time

facehugger99

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It was intended that the GFA was a process working towards a test of the electorate with a border poll.

The GFA provided a fig-leaf to terrorists who had been soundly defeated and were forced to give up their arms.

It also removed the ROI's constitutional claim on NI, ensuring than any unification process would require a referendum in the Republic, effectively protecting the electorate from ever having to take on the cost of NI.

You think it was a road map to a UI - that's actually hilarious:D:D:D - it achieves the complete opposite!

_blaaz

10-15 years

blanch152 wrote: »

It seems that Sinn Fein are in even greater electoral trouble than I thought. Not even the United Ireland supporters on here are voting for them.

Tbf it just highlights how out of touch yous are?
(Kinda like how peter casey polled 70 odd percent on boards but barely got out of 20 irl,climb out of your echo chamber)


Sinn fein are a joke....but a utd ireland is favoured by all the main political parties in the free state

_blaaz

10-15 years

facehugger99 wrote: »

You think it was a road map to a UI - that's actually hilarious:D:D:D - it achieves the complete opposite!

The GFA allows for no further strententhing of the union between uk and ni


And it allows further and further integration and cross border cooperation with the free state....it might be painfully slow and destained to failure (dissidents are building up.serious capabilities and stormont is finished imo)....but by letter of law and any interpetation its a road map to ui as it sets out whats required


Its only 32 pages ffs....have you not red it yet

FrancieBrady

Here we go again...we cannot come up with an argument...let's focus on Francie. :D:D

I can see it now in the debates on a UI, a pro UI politician in full flow when he is interrupted with...'BUT FRANCIE HAS 20,000 POSTS, He's a SHINNER BOT. Vote No Vote No! It's a conspiracy!'.