How long before Irish reunification?

markodaly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If you think the people who live on the Ennis Rd. in Limerick are exactly the same as those who live on Ailesbury Rd in Dublin, then god love ya.

The people who live on those streets would not classify themselves as Unionist or British. This is the difference between those in Limerick and Carlow and those in Antrim and Down.

You may as well say that we are exactly the same as those in Devon and Cornwall.

James Brown

10-15 years

markodaly wrote: »

The people who live on those streets would not classify themselves as Unionist or British. This is the difference between those in Limerick and Carlow and those in Antrim and Down.

You may as well say that we are exactly the same as those in Devon and Cornwall.

I've relatives born and raised in Devon would consider themselves Irish, but they aren't looking to have all the road signage as gaeilge.

FrancieBrady

janfebmar wrote: »

And people born in Tenerife and Lanzarote are Canarian as well as Spanish. People born in Sicily are Sicilian as well as Italian.

Exactly. So no reason that Irish people who identify as British cannot live in a UI. In fact only 18% of the total amount of Unionists say the 'cannot live in one'. A tiny amount of the whole, even in yours and Facehuggers maths.

FrancieBrady

markodaly wrote: »

The people who live on those streets would not classify themselves as Unionist or British. This is the difference between those in Limerick and Carlow and those in Antrim and Down.

You may as well say that we are exactly the same as those in Devon and Cornwall.

The people living in all those streets have one thing in common, they are all Irish.
The Belfast Unionist is as different to a Belfast Nationalist as an Ailesbury Rd surgeon is to a Ennis Rd shopkeeper. D
Same peoples, different outlooks and political allegiances separated by a stupid and failed partition.

The fact you thought Carson was an Ulsterman should have immediately alerted you to review your opinions mark.

janfebmar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Exactly. So no reason that Irish people who identify as British cannot live in a UI. In fact only 18% of the total amount of Unionists say the 'cannot live in one'. A tiny amount of the whole, even in yours and Facehuggers maths.

And a lot more than 18% of unionists do not want to live in one either, when they could live in a United Kingdom.

Now any chance you could answer the questions on your relocation of Protestants / resettlement grant scheme Francie? You promoted the idea, up to you to expand on it.

FrancieBrady

janfebmar wrote: »

And a lot more than 18% of unionists do not want to live in one either, when they could live in a United Kingdom.

The last poll that asked the question...'Could you live in a UI?' 18% of Unionists said they couldn't.
Which means that 82% will live in a UI. They might vote against it, but if a UI gets a majority, they are clearly indicating they would accept it.

Which is, as I have always said on here, how I find most Unionists, democratic and pragmatic.

RobMc59

10-15 years

Deleted User wrote: »

facehugger99 wrote: »

Meh.

We know it will cost several billions per annum - that's enough to scupper the idea for the vast majority of the Republic's voters.

Seriously, how do you "know" this? There's a great deal of assumptions that the *current* British subsidy of £11 billion will continue. With the English facing a very bleak economic future, they will not have the money to prop up this last small remnant of their Irish colony.

As Brexit shows very, very clearly, the English will suit themselves and Unionists in NI must like it or lump it. Politically, the English will need all the money they can get to shore up English areas and there's no way they could now get away with that enormous £11 billion handout to what Harold Wilson famously described as "spongers".

By the time reunification happens, it is far more probable that the Unionists will be long over the days of an £11 billion handout so there will be much less, if anything, for the Irish/EU/US to replace. A far more substantial issue than alleged financial costs is what to do with the mass of undereducated loyalist dregs of Ballymoney, Larne & Portadown. The French brought
800,000 of their self-declared "French" Pied-Noir settlers back to France in the 1960s so perhaps there's a precedent for the 100,000 or so hardliners. It seems like Johnny Adair and other loyalists already set that trend 10-15 years ago when they moved permanently to Britain.

Anybody who believes the rightwing English Tories/Brexiteers will not put an English Brexit ahead of Ulster Unionists' desire to remain in the UK needs to listen to this:

https://mobile.twitter.com/bbcspotlightni/status/1113199323838390272

Alot of posts about ethnic cleansing have been deleted but #167 and following posts are still there and make sickening reading.

markodaly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The people living in all those streets have one thing in common, they are all Irish.

They may be born on the island of Ireland, but their identity is not yours to subjugate into a box. The GFA enshrined that right to anyone born in the North that they can declare themselves and identify themselves as Irish or British ( or both ). I presume you voted for the GFA so you accept that the people in the North can identify themselves as British or Irish.

What you are trying to do here and the rhetoric you employ is actually against the spirit of the GFA.

Your Irish Nationalist supremacy views are well known (Need I need to pull up the quote that you made light of Kingsmill? )

In other words, the people living in the North are largely by and large not exactly the same as those living in Co. Clare or Co. Waterford.

Own your mistake and move on, and don't bore us with another 500 trite posts on this topic.

markodaly

RobMc59 wrote: »

Alot of posts about ethnic cleansing have been deleted but #167 and following posts are still there and make sickening reading.

Yes, a bizarre turn of events, that was, that posters would advocate setting up some sort of fund or grant to repatriate Unionists to Britain.
Depraved stuff to be honest and not surprised the Mods deleted it.

It gives an insight into the mindset though.

James Brown

10-15 years

RobMc59 wrote: »

Alot of posts about ethnic cleansing have been deleted but #167 and following posts are still there and make sickening reading.

The fact nobody advocated it but a few chancers falsely claimed they did was the issue.
Suggesting the British government might fund the relocation of any Unionist that might want it is not ethnic cleansing by the way.
Any Unionist who thinks the Tories genuinely care for them is very naive IMO.

FrancieBrady

markodaly wrote: »

They may be born on the island of Ireland, but their identity is not yours to subjugate into a box. The GFA enshrined that right to anyone born in the North that they can declare themselves and identify themselves as Irish or British ( or both ). I presume you voted for the GFA so you accept that the people in the North can identify themselves as British or Irish.

Absolutely...how many times do i have to say, I have no problem whatsoever with how people wish to identify. But as their prominent spokespeople have said, they are Irish people who identify as British.

What you are trying to do here and the rhetoric you employ is actually against the spirit of the GFA.

It most certainly isn't. The GFA refers to the 'island of Ireland and it's people who live there' I.E. 'IT IS FOR PEOPLE OF IRELAND TO DECIDE THEIR FUTURE...' etc etc.

Could you be anymore profoundly wrong mark?

Your Irish Nationalist supremacy views are well known (Need I need to pull up the quote that you made light of Kingsmill? )

Is this another lie, in the vein of 'I advocated ethnic cleansing?'

In other words, the people living in the North are largely by and large not exactly the same as those living in Co. Clare or Co. Waterford.

Own your mistake and move on, and don't bore us with another 500 trite posts on this topic.

See above on the GFA...on which we all got to vote, because we are all the same...Irish people.

FrancieBrady

Matt Barrett wrote: »

The fact nobody advocated it but a few chancers falsely claimed they did was the issue.
Suggesting the British government might fund the relocation of any Unionist that might want it is not ethnic cleansing by the way.
Any Unionist who thinks the Tories genuinely care for them is very naive IMO.

Still no answer from any of the people blatantly lying about what they propose to do for the 18% who say they 'cannot live in a UI'.

We have to take it that they will just ignore them as they are abandoned by their political reps, with the means to move.

RobMc59

10-15 years

Matt Barrett wrote: »

RobMc59 wrote: »

Alot of posts about ethnic cleansing have been deleted but #167 and following posts are still there and make sickening reading.

The fact nobody advocated it but a few chancers falsely claimed they did was the issue.
Suggesting the British government might fund the relocation of any Unionist that might want it is not ethnic cleansing by the way.
Any Unionist who thinks the Tories genuinely care for them is very naive IMO.

Get your head out of the sand Matt and read the posts I've mentioned.

James Brown

10-15 years

RobMc59 wrote: »

Get your head out of the sand Matt and read the posts I've mentioned.

I have not seen anything advocating ethnic cleansing. I've been following the thread. I don't buy the outrage from others on here either. It's pathetic.

janfebmar

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Any Unionist who thinks the Tories genuinely care for them is very naive

Any Unionist who thinks Shin Feiners genuinely care for them is even more naive. The Tories put blood , sweat, tears and money in to Northern Ireland, and many were murdered and injured by the IRA.

Francie though has a grest " resettlement grant" scheme planned to resettle people he does not want in his new Ireland out of the country, but despite probing he will not reveal how it will be funded.

FrancieBrady

janfebmar wrote: »

Any Unionist who thinks Shin Feiners genuinely care for them is even more naive. The Tories put blood , sweat, tears and money in to Northern Ireland, and many were murdered and injured by the IRA.

Francie though has a grest " resettlement grant" scheme planned to resettle people he does not want in his new Ireland out of the country, but despite probing he will not reveal how it will be funded.

What do you propose to do for people who say they 'couldn't live in a UI' jan?

blinding

10-15 years

Anyone know where Arlene is going . She’ll certainly drag down the happiness co-effecient.....

James Brown

10-15 years

janfebmar wrote: »

Any Unionist who thinks Shin Feiners genuinely care for them is even more naive. The Tories put blood , sweat, tears and money in to Northern Ireland, and many were murdered and injured by the IRA.

Francie though has a grest " resettlement grant" scheme planned to resettle people he does not want in his new Ireland out of the country, but despite probing he will not reveal how it will be funded.

Best bit of whataboutery all day.
Do you know any Unionists who think Sinn Fein is looking after their interests?

The IRA?
The Tories couldn't give tuppence ha' penny about Paddy, including any paddy thinks he's one of their own.

I've no interest in how Francie's comment from several weeks ago might be funded. If you or I haven't costed the funding for a no deal Brexit does that mean it won't happen?

janfebmar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What do you propose to do for people who say they 'couldn't live in a UI' jan?

It's not going to happen so a hypothetical question. What would I do for them - that would depends on the new Ireland and how hostile it would be or otherwise to those people the extremist Republicans still despise.

Now Francie, how would you fund your proposed ethnic cleansing scheme if this time you used the carrot ( "relocation grants") instead of the stick?

RobMc59

10-15 years

janfebmar wrote: »

It's not going to happen so a hypothetical question. What would I do for them - that would depends on the new Ireland and how hostile it would be or otherwise to those people the extremist Republicans still despise.

Now Francie, how would you fund your proposed ethnic cleansing scheme if this time you used the carrot ( "relocation grants") instead of the stick?

Jan,I don`t think it matters what the extremist republican "out-there" brigade and their plans for ethnic cleansing,"assisted relocation" or whatever moniker they put on it-ordinary Irish people would`nt go along with it anyway-their extremists views can be filed along side the moonies or any other bunch of deluded crackpots.:rolleyes:

FrancieBrady

The interesting thing about this discussion again is that if you go across the panel: the southern Irish partitionist has no political voice.

https://www.facebook.com/sinnfein/videos/2285862958155896/UzpfSTUxMjMyMTUxODg3ODYwNToyMTkxMzU5MjA3NjQxNDg2/

blinding

10-15 years

It will be interesting to see how long FFG can stop Irish Re-Unification .

They certainly have done a very good job up to now . The Demographics of the North will make this more and more difficult for them .

FrancieBrady

blinding wrote: »

It will be interesting to see how long FFG can stop Irish Re-Unification .

They certainly have done a very good job up to now . The Demographics of the North will make this more and more difficult for them .

The grand parents of a Taoiseach that won't want to be the one to deliver a UI have not even been born yet.

Not a hope in hell a Taoiseach will not go for it once a border poll is called.

blinding

10-15 years

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The grand parents of a Taoiseach that won't want to be the one to deliver a UI have not even been born yet.

Not a hope in hell a Taoiseach will not go for it once a border poll is called.

In the event of a border poll in the next 10 / 15 years , FFG will spend their time telling the Southern Irish electorate how much it will cost to make sure that this electorate do not vote for it . They have done a great job standing in the way of Irish Re-Unification up until now . Why would they change their spots ?

rainybillwill

When we are all Muslims

blinding

10-15 years

rainybillwill wrote: »

When we are all Muslims

Praise be to Paddy Allah ! ! !

FrancieBrady

blinding wrote: »

In the event of a border poll in the next 10 / 15 years , FFG will spend their time telling the Southern Irish electorate how much it will cost to make sure that this electorate do not vote for it . They have done a great job standing in the way of Irish Re-Unification up until now . Why would they change their spots ?

Leo seems to be talking about it every chance he gets. It is front and centre now and that is only going to gather momentum as no deal approaches.

blanch152

blinding wrote: »

In the event of a border poll in the next 10 / 15 years , FFG will spend their time telling the Southern Irish electorate how much it will cost to make sure that this electorate do not vote for it . They have done a great job standing in the way of Irish Re-Unification up until now . Why would they change their spots ?

They won’t need to.

Unlike the North, we have a referendum commission that will be required to spell out exactly how much it costs.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

We can play this silly game all day, here's my go at that:

If you think the people who live on the Ennis Rd. in Limerick are exactly the same as those who live on Ailesbury Rd in Dublin, then god love ya.

There are no 2 people in Ireland 'exactly' the same. But anyone born on this island begins life exactly the same as everybody else born on the island...they are ALL Irish.

Hmmm, so you are now denying the separate ethnic identity of travellers as well as the separate ethnic identity of both British and Northern Irish people born on this island.

Your post takes bigotry to a new level.

Being born on this island means you are entitled to be Irish, it doesn’t mean that you are Irish. There is a huge difference and that was recognised in the GFA.

Once again, when you strip away the layers, you see the bigoted racist aspect of Irish republicanism raise its ugly head.

munsterlegend

blinding wrote: »

In the event of a border poll in the next 10 / 15 years , FFG will spend their time telling the Southern Irish electorate how much it will cost to make sure that this electorate do not vote for it . They have done a great job standing in the way of Irish Re-Unification up until now . Why would they change their spots ?

There won’t be any border poll unless the Irish government actually agree to having one. It’s not just a British govt decision who will liaise with the Dublin govt.