UHW Mortuary

azimuth17

Max Powers wrote: »

Time to start using that brain.

Max, you presume too much. That post from Gardner is contemptible.

Gardner

Max Powers wrote: »

Time to start using that brain.

There still is no evidence that there was closed coffin funerals. Until this is proven and put in the public arena then everything else is just personal opinion or rumour. Fact!

The mortuary needs to be upgraded. Fact!

The second letter is a game changer. Fact!

Skelton is a poor journalist. Always was and always will be. There is no vendetta against him. Like above it's a personal opinion. If all going to plan his potential career change (just like the rumours above) after next GE might work out better for him

Aquos76

Gardner wrote: »

Skelton is a poor journalist. Always was and always will be. There is no vendetta against him. Like above it's a personal opinion. If all going to plan his potential career change (just like the rumours above) after next GE might work out better for him

It's clear that Halligan and his supporters really hate Darren...which to the majority of other people will mean that he's actually doing a good job.

He broke the Mortuary story, the North Quays story, the Vans story, The Council Credit Cards story, the courthouses cost story, and those are just the ones off the top of my head. Im biased because he's my brother, but jaysus, if he's a poor journalist, can you tell me what a good one is?

debok

Gardner wrote: »

There still is no evidence that there was closed coffin funerals. Until this is proven and put in the public arena then everything else is just personal opinion or rumour. Fact!

The mortuary needs to be upgraded. Fact!

The second letter is a game changer. Fact!

Skelton is a poor journalist. Always was and always will be. There is no vendetta against him. Like above it's a personal opinion. If all going to plan his potential career change (just like the rumours above) after next GE might work out better for him

Personally speaking I had a family member who had to have a closed casket. We were told issues with the post mortem were the reason but now it makes you think. At the time you don't think to ask questions you just trust what the people are telling you.
Why do you have such a thing against Skelton? In fairness he's only working for a local paper what do you expect Pulitzer prizes. He does his job and has highlighted alot in waterford.

JohnC.

Halligan seems strangely quiet on this one considering how vocal he likes to be at other times.

mooseknunkle

Aquos76 wrote: »

It's clear that Halligan and his supporters really hate Darren...which to the majority of other people will mean that he's actually doing a good job.

He broke the Mortuary story, the North Quays story, the Vans story, The Council Credit Cards story, the courthouses cost story, and those are just the ones off the top of my head. Im biased because he's my brother, but jaysus, if he's a poor journalist, can you tell me what a good one is?

To be fair if he hadnt "broke" those stories someone else would of, at the end of the day its a local newspaper in a small city in Ireland,no matter what story is on the front page 70yr old Peggy from cannon street is still going to buy it to see the death notices or Tommy Walsh from johns park will still buy it to get the local sports info,the same people will still buy the munster or n&s every week no matter whats on the front or who writes it.

Ill give him credit with the mortuary story but as soon as he picked it up the Irish times had it and that was that,id doubt the sales went through the roof with that story on the front page either.

And before you start accusing me of been a Halligan supporter too im not in anyway political,just adding a bit of perspective to this.

DLS_75

Irish times owns and prints the news and star so I’m assuming that’s how they had it.

hard to agree with the local paper element thoigh - you’d have to wonder how they’re still going

Aquos76

mooseknunkle wrote: »

To be fair if he hadnt "broke" those stories someone else would of, at the end of the day its a local newspaper in a small city in Ireland,no matter what story is on the front page 70yr old Peggy from cannon street is still going to buy it to see the death notices or Tommy Walsh from johns park will still buy it to get the local sports info,the same people will still buy the munster or n&s every week no matter whats on the front or who writes it.

Ill give him credit with the mortuary story but as soon as he picked it up the Irish times had it and that was that,id doubt the sales went through the roof with that story on the front page either.

And before you start accusing me of been a Halligan supporter too im not in anyway political,just adding a bit of perspective to this.

I’m certainly not going to accuse you of being a Halligan supporter, you are entitled to your opinion. The reason why I labelled that towards Gardner is he has always had a problem with Darren. I don’t agree with you about if he didn’t break those stories, then someone else one. That could be labelled at any journalist in that case. Local papers are without a doubt dying off, that’s not to say there still isn’t a place for them though.

Oxter

. If you have ever been in UHW, you'll know it is one of the most underfunded, understaffed, poorly run hospitals in the country.[/quote]

Thats why it needs a bigger morgue.

mooseknunkle

Aquos76 wrote: »

I’m certainly not going to accuse you of being a Halligan supporter, you are entitled to your opinion. The reason why I labelled that towards Gardner is he has always had a problem with Darren. I don’t agree with you about if he didn’t break those stories, then someone else one. That could be labelled at any journalist in that case. Local papers are without a doubt dying off, that’s not to say there still isn’t a place for them though.

I think hes good at what he does for what it worth and it did come across wrong in me saying anyone would of broke them stories,there will always be a place for local newspapers but in what capacity remains to be seen i guess.

azimuth17

Forgive me in advance folks, but I have to say that this thread now bears the faint aroma of begrudgery or damning with faint praise towards Darren Skelton. He was the one who followed the story from the start and issued the FoI request. The News and Star is owned by the Irish Times. they picked his story from last weeks N&S (it would have been a hard not to miss it, as I believe they print it in Dublin) and everything followed from their front page article. The News and Star and Darren have been acknowledged everywhere and in every media outlet that carried the story including Sean O'Rourke, Mary Wilson, Pat Leahy, Gene Kerrigan, Matt Cooper. Ivan Yates etc. It is relatively easy for those who follow the story on line to belittle Mr Skelton's work and contribution towards doing what has been a public service to UHW and the four consultants. The Pulitzer Prize winning commentariat here probably have not seen the forensic detail he went into in the paper because they just don't read papers any more?
Credit where credit is due .

fricatus

^^^
Well said

Max Powers

azimuth17 wrote: »

Forgive me in advance folks, but I have to say that this thread now bears the faint aroma of begrudgery or damning with faint praise towards Darren Skelton. He was the one who followed the story from the start and issued the FoI request. The News and Star is owned by the Irish Times. they picked his story from last weeks N&S (it would have been a hard not to miss it, as I believe they print it in Dublin) and everything followed from their front page article. The News and Star and Darren have been acknowledged everywhere and in every media outlet that carried the story including Sean O'Rourke, Mary Wilson, Pat Leahy, Gene Kerrigan, Matt Cooper. Ivan Yates etc. It is relatively easy for those who follow the story on line to belittle Mr Skelton's work and contribution towards doing what has been a public service to UHW and the four consultants. The Pulitzer Prize winning commentariat here probably have not seen the forensic detail he went into in the paper because they just don't read papers any more?
Credit where credit is due .

Faint aroma...a typical Irish stink more like

Deiseen

azimuth17 wrote: »

Forgive me in advance folks, but I have to say that this thread now bears the faint aroma of begrudgery or damning with faint praise towards Darren Skelton. He was the one who followed the story from the start and issued the FoI request. The News and Star is owned by the Irish Times. they picked his story from last weeks N&S (it would have been a hard not to miss it, as I believe they print it in Dublin) and everything followed from their front page article. The News and Star and Darren have been acknowledged everywhere and in every media outlet that carried the story including Sean O'Rourke, Mary Wilson, Pat Leahy, Gene Kerrigan, Matt Cooper. Ivan Yates etc. It is relatively easy for those who follow the story on line to belittle Mr Skelton's work and contribution towards doing what has been a public service to UHW and the four consultants. The Pulitzer Prize winning commentariat here probably have not seen the forensic detail he went into in the paper because they just don't read papers any more?
Credit where credit is due .

Spot on. Some dopes on here.

Oxter

Deiseen wrote: »

Spot on. Some dopes on here.

Darren Skelton"s initial Foi request was refused as "it wasnt in the public interest".

This has echoes of the CervicalCheck attempted coverup.

Would the Hse reveal how many other Foi requests hsve been refused?

debok

State post mortems being moved from uhw.gardai can't risk contamination of bodies.
But I thought leo said it wasnt true.!!!!

Uriel.

debok wrote: »

State post mortems being moved from uhw.gardai can't risk contamination of bodies.
But I thought leo said it wasnt true.!!!!

To be fair to the Taoiseach, that's not what he said. He said certain claims had not been verified at the time. In truth he'd have been better off couching it in slightly different terms.
I'd say the Taoiseach knows full well that there are many specialist interests in the medical and health world and you need to be cautious with claims being made. In this case, the claims being made were accurate and not exaggerated.

erica74

Oxter wrote: »

. If you have ever been in UHW, you'll know it is one of the most underfunded, understaffed, poorly run hospitals in the country.

Thats why it needs a bigger morgue.[/quote]

And the rest. 2 floors of that new building out the front will be for palliative care. Surely they understand the link between palliative care and a morgue which is not up to standards and not big enough for the current demand.

greenspurs

More evidence Leo ?

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/calls-for-independent-inquiry-into-mortuary-facilities-at-waterford-hospital-922682.html

debok

Uriel. wrote: »

To be fair to the Taoiseach, that's not what he said. He said certain claims had not been verified at the time. In truth he'd have been better off couching it in slightly different terms.
I'd say the Taoiseach knows full well that there are many specialist interests in the medical and health world and you need to be cautious with claims being made. In this case, the claims being made were accurate and not exaggerated.

He's leader of the country. He should have only spoken when he knew full facts

Uriel.

debok wrote: »

He's leader of the country. He should have only spoken when he knew full facts

Perhaps, perhaps not. It doesn't change your inaccurate statement of what he said.

debok

Uriel. wrote: »

Perhaps, perhaps not. It doesn't change your inaccurate statement of what he said.

Perhaps, perhaps not. He said there was no evidence but there was evidence he just chose not to believe it. 4 pathologist s evidence. To me that seems like he said it wasn't true. Anywho they need new mortuary since 2004 so I'd safely say it's got a lot worse in the 15 years. Let's hope it gets done this time

Oxter

erica74 wrote: »

Thats why it needs a bigger morgue.

And the rest. 2 floors of that new building out the front will be for palliative care. Surely they understand the link between palliative care and a morgue which is not up to standards and not big enough for the current demand.[/quote]


The latest hse proposal is to adapt the heating boiler to burn bodies, eliminate the morgue and give the relarives a jar of ashes, saving everyone money.

Harry Palmr

The latest hse proposal is to adapt the heating boiler to burn bodies, eliminate the morgue and give the relarives a jar of ashes, saving everyone money.

Don't be a moron Oxter

So then the scandal that isn't has prompted the arrival of big walk in fridge today and the signing off on a replacement mortuary due

https://www.wlrfm.com/2019/05/09/90336/

Minister for Health Simon Harris

I thank the consultants in Waterford, as I did during the week, for bringing forward their concerns and for doing so in the appropriate manner and engaging with hospital management. There is no doubt there is a need for a new mortuary in Waterford. That need is well accepted and has been well accepted for a long number of years, and it is about time we moved on it.

I want to say three things in regard to this matter, and I thank colleagues from the south east for raising it. First, on Friday, the temporary additional refrigeration facilities for the mortuary will arrive at the hospital in Waterford. My understanding, from memory, is that this will increase the refrigeration facilities from six to 13 and, I believe, will end the situation of bodies on trolleys in corridors. It is important we have dignity in regard to death.

Second, I spoke again to hospital management today and I have given the absolute go-ahead for the tender to issue in regard to the permanent build for the mortuary. I understand that will take a number of weeks in terms of processes, European rules and the like, but the go-ahead is in place and that new mortuary will be funded in the capital plan which I will publish shortly.

Third, Deputy Cullinane is correct in that I believe there is a need for a review. There is a need for questions to be answered in regard to how the mortuary operates and how we make sure best practice is in place. I want to take a couple of days to get this right. I want to take a couple of days in regard to the terms of reference and who should carry out that review. I am happy to hear from colleagues in the south east and anyone who wants can send me submissions on the matter.

Oxter

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Don't be a moron Oxter

So then the scandal that isn't has prompted the arrival of big walk in fridge today and the signing off on a replacement mortuary due

https://www.wlrfm.com/2019/05/09/90336/

Are you a Spin Doctor?

Harry Palmr

Nope but I have one of their albums.

Oxter

Waterford Regional Hospital changed its nane 5 years ago and now needs to expand its mortuary.

Buzz words like "centre of excellence" and "best practise" used.

Mobile fridges are normally used as morgues in disaster zones. What other scandals are the hse covering up?

The only doctors the hse pays properly are the Spin Doctors, and plenty of them.

vriesmays

It's a mortuary not a morgue.

Oxter

vriesmays wrote: »

It's a mortuary not a morgue.

Thanks for your pedantic comment.

friendlyfun

Oxter wrote: »

Waterford Regional Hospital changed its nane 5 years ago and now needs to expand its mortuary.

Buzz words like "centre of excellence" and "best practise" used.

Mobile fridges are normally used as morgues in disaster zones. What other scandals are the hse covering up?

The only doctors the hse pays properly are the Spin Doctors, and plenty of them.

Goebels would be proud of their propaganda.