Incident at P&E Boarding Kennels

anewme

Or look up the lady who had her lurcher returned to her covered in bite puncture marks.

Spon Farmer

If the company has been mistreating animals, how has it been getting away with it?

There are stories on social media now but where were they before?

If I had a dog that was mistreated or even if I was suspicious I would hound that company into the ground.

And whether the staff or owner of this kennel were up to no good or not, I flabbergasted that anyone would think that presenting that "package" to the owner was acceptable behaviour? It just boggles the mind.

The young lady did right contacting RTÉ or kicking up enough fuss to get their attention.

holliehobbie

Where is he getting all the dogs he 'rehomes'? Why is he sending labrador puppies over to the UK? Is he robbing the dogs? Getting the puppies from puppy farms? Why are none of the dogs microchipped, vaccinated, or neutered before they are rehomed? Isn't it illegal not to have dogs/puppies microchipped? Why has he unvaccinated dogs and puppies in with the dogs he is boarding?

Millem

holliehobbie wrote: »

Where is he getting all the dogs he 'rehomes'? Why is he sending labrador puppies over to the UK? Is he robbing the dogs? Getting the puppies from puppy farms? Why are none of the dogs microchipped, vaccinated, or neutered before they are rehomed? Isn't it illegal not to have dogs/puppies microchipped? Why has he unvaccinated dogs and puppies in with the dogs he is boarding?

I think the dogs going to the uk are a different rescue....a legitimate breed specific one.
The dogs are Irish dogs from pounds etc and they board with him while getting their vaccs etc. This rescue didn’t used to rehome in Ireland but I think it does now. The rescue used to use kennels near the airport but changed when the co ordinator changed.


As for “second chance rescue” I think that is something he started himself....I have no idea.

Whatever happened to the dog....putting in a bag like that and not contacting the owner is not acceptable.

Spon Farmer

Millem wrote: »

I think the dogs going to the uk are a different rescue....a legitimate breed specific one.
The dogs are Irish dogs from pounds etc and they board with him while getting their vaccs etc. This rescue didn’t used to rehome in Ireland but I think it does now. The rescue used to use kennels near the airport but changed when the co ordinator changed.


As for “second chance rescue” I think that is something he started himself....I have no idea.

Whatever happened to the dog....putting in a bag like that and not contacting the owner is not acceptable.

I can't wrap my head around that.

IF the dog died through no fault of the owner or staff how can they have been so lacking in compassion for the the owner that they would think it was okay to present her with her pet like this.

IF there is mistreatment going on how they be so stupid as to draw attention to it like this.

Millem

Spon Farmer wrote: »

I can't wrap my head around that.

IF the dog died through no fault of the owner or staff how can they have been so lacking in compassion for the the owner that they would think it was okay to present her with her pet like this.

IF there is mistreatment going on how they be so stupid as to draw attention to it like this.

I totally agree.
I can’t fathom the way the poor dog was wrapped in a bag.
Also not contacting the owner is totally wrong. I am sure a family member of friend would of gone to the kennel at any stage to collect the dog and bring to the vets.

Spon Farmer

Millem wrote: »

I have used them for maybe 9/10 years.....never had any trouble.
Another rescue also uses/used them before dogs go to UK. Not sure if they still do?
It is so awful what happened. Why didn’t he call the vet that is 5/10 minutes away.
I am sure the vet would of held onto the dog until the owner came home.

With regard to the other story with the cremation....I find that very strange? I would be interested to find out what vet cremated the animal. Two months ago I had to pts one of my dogs and I got her cremated......I can’t remember the cost but it was a few hundred euro.

The owner claimed on the news that a/the vet told them to wrap the dog like that.

The stupidity of it blows my mind far more than the lack of decency.

Spon Farmer

Millem wrote: »

I totally agree.
I can’t fathom the way the poor dog was wrapped in a bag.
Also not contacting the owner is totally wrong. I am sure a family member of friend would of gone to the kennel at any stage to collect the dog and bring to the vets.

And the masking tape.

Imagine the poor young woman having to cut that open to see the dog.:mad:

borderlinemeath

borderlinemeath wrote: »

The only time that Parvo has been mentioned is a quote that apparently came from the kennel owner. Lets say the poor dog did contract Parvo - how did she get it? Even if she was vaccinated but immunocompromised, she would have had to catch it from either another boarding dog, or more likely one of the many strays and "rescue" dogs that are taken in. Extremely bad animal husbandry keeping paying guests in close contact with possible virus carrying "rescue babys in my care".



Now, again, even if the dog had contracted Parvo, and had to be kept separate, aren't kennels are meant to have quarantine quarters for such occurences? If he contacted a vet and there was a risk of parvo outbreak, what dog was the cause of it? He would have had to attend a vet with the dog that brought in the parvo in the first place, where's that detail? And ANY vet worth their veterinary licence would have opened out of hours to take the poor dogs body to keep in cold storage to prevent a parvo outbreak.



And finally. No phonecall, no words of compassion, no warning but "here's your dog in wrapped up". I mean look at the state of the package? How can you comprehend that this was a 25kg dog? And that to just hand her over like this with zero information and nothing since is professional behaviour?

Absolutely true about quarantine, and it is very bad practice keeping non-vaccinated “rescues” in proximity to “hotel guests”. I’ve worked in DSPCA kennels and the hotel dogs, general rescue dogs and unwell ones and all kept separately, with known infectious cases being put in isolation, but all given great personal attention.

As regards the no phone call etc, it seems that all this unfortunate business took place as the owner was making her journey home. It’s not clear how many times Cullen tried to contact her, had she got her phone turned on etc. it was necessary to tightly seal the remains, which were leaking blood., but a more respectful outer cover and a sympathetic approach and full explanation would have gone a long way to ameliorate a tragic situation. I think it all hinges on the way the owner was dealt with when she went to collect her pet.

anewme

Deleted User wrote: »

Absolutely true about quarantine, and it is very bad practice keeping non-vaccinated “rescues” in proximity to “hotel guests”. I’ve worked in DSPCA kennels and the hotel dogs, general rescue dogs and unwell ones and all kept separately, with known infectious cases being put in isolation, but all given great personal attention.

As regards the no phone call etc, it seems that all this unfortunate business took place as the owner was making her journey home. It’s not clear how many times Cullen tried to contact her, had she got her phone turned on etc. it was necessary to tightly seal the remains, which were leaking blood., but a more respectful outer cover and a sympathetic approach and full explanation would have gone a long way to ameliorate a tragic situation. I think it all hinges on the way the owner was dealt with when she went to collect her pet.

What is clear though that Cullen snuck out the side door and drove off and left someone else to hand back the parcel rather than face the customer and face up to his responsibilities.

borderlinemeath

Deleted User wrote: »

Absolutely true about quarantine, and it is very bad practice keeping non-vaccinated “rescues” in proximity to “hotel guests”. I’ve worked in DSPCA kennels and the hotel dogs, general rescue dogs and unwell ones and all kept separately, with known infectious cases being put in isolation, but all given great personal attention.

As regards the no phone call etc, it seems that all this unfortunate business took place as the owner was making her journey home. It’s not clear how many times Cullen tried to contact her, had she got her phone turned on etc. it was necessary to tightly seal the remains, which were leaking blood., but a more respectful outer cover and a sympathetic approach and full explanation would have gone a long way to ameliorate a tragic situation. I think it all hinges on the way the owner was dealt with when she went to collect her pet.

Is this your assertion that the owner of P&E tried to contact the dog owner? Or has he stated that somewhere? If he has by all means link to this information. Because it seems that this situation has only gone public due to the absolute refusal of P&E to communicate with the dogs owner. Her review was removed and no information or even the excuse that the vet had "told" them to do this due to alleged parvo was relayed by anyone at P&E to the owner.



Also did P&E try to contact the lady whos dog they cremated? Because she arrived to collect her dog and didn't even get a body, he was cremated without her permission.

terryduff12

If this had happened to my dog, i wouldn't like too be in these guys shoes right now. A scene from the shield tv show comes to mind with some car tyres.

MrMusician18

Spon Farmer wrote: »

And the masking tape.

Imagine the poor young woman having to cut that open to see the dog.:mad:

Not to be pedantic, but it was packing tape not masking tape.

terryduff12 wrote: »

If this had happened to my dog, i wouldn't like too be in these guys shoes right now. A scene from the shield tv show comes to mind with some car tyres.

:rolleyes: yeah sure. You'd beat them with your keyboard yeah...

Dial Hard

MrMusician18 wrote:

Not to be pedantic, but it was packing tape not masking tape.

That's exactly what you're being. What difference does it make???

SusieBlue

I hope they take the owner to court & sue him for all he has.

Absolutely disgraceful treatment of an innocent animal.
I got a lump in my throat when I read that the poor thing didn't even have any food in his belly, its bad enough that they neglected the medical care & packaged him up like rubbish, they didn't even fulfill their most basic care requirement of feeding the dogs in their charge.

They were entrusted to care for these much loved pets and instead they showed nothing but indifference & cruelty.
These people should be prosecuted.

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I see Mr Cullen has responded in various media articles detailing how he is now the recipient of hate mail, death threats, his children threatened and fears he may lose his business.

I do not agree with threats of violence but I surely hope he loses his business.

borderlinemeath

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I see Mr Cullen has responded in various media articles detailing how he is now the recipient of hate mail, death threats, his children threatened and fears he may lose his business.

I do not agree with threats of violence but I surely hope he loses his business.

I don't agree either. The thousands of posts that are all across social media are littered with threats and expletives and the information and other victims are getting lost in it. I have to say, I can't recall much made against his family other than threats to himself as the face of it all.



Although while it's does garner sympathy from a neutral audience that threats are being made to his children, what also seems to be the case is that they are adults and work there too. His son works in the kennels and one of the daughters is an on site groomer. So technically these children are complicit in his misdemeanor.

Bannasidhe

Millem wrote: »

I think the dogs going to the uk are a different rescue....a legitimate breed specific one.
The dogs are Irish dogs from pounds etc and they board with him while getting their vaccs etc. This rescue didn’t used to rehome in Ireland but I think it does now. The rescue used to use kennels near the airport but changed when the co ordinator changed.


As for “second chance rescue” I think that is something he started himself....I have no idea.

Whatever happened to the dog....putting in a bag like that and not contacting the owner is not acceptable.

FYI - Second Chance Rescue is in Clare and not associated with Paddy Cullen. He runs Second Chance Pets.

tretorn

SusieBlue wrote: »

I hope they take the owner to court & sue him for all he has.

Absolutely disgraceful treatment of an innocent animal.
I got a lump in my throat when I read that the poor thing didn't even have any food in his belly, its bad enough that they neglected the medical care & packaged him up like rubbish, they didn't even fulfill their most basic care requirement of feeding the dogs in their charge.

They were entrusted to care for these much loved pets and instead they showed nothing but indifference & cruelty.
These people should be prosecuted.

Maybe the dog was so sick he wouldnt eat.

You are making up an awful lot of unsubstantiated allegations in your post.

Have you plenty of money to pay for legal fees should you be sued.

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tretorn wrote: »

Maybe the dog was so sick he wouldnt eat.

You are making up an awful lot of unsubstantiated allegations in your post.

Have you plenty of money to pay for legal fees should you be sued.

Everything the user posted has been substantiated by media reports.

Yet you come here to make a dig. You should be ashamed of yourself. The victims here are the pets and families whose pets have been abused or died. Not the business owner in whose care they were.

Shameful of you. Truly shameful.

Spon Farmer

tretorn wrote: »

Maybe the dog was so sick he wouldnt eat.

You are making up an awful lot of unsubstantiated allegations in your post.

Have you plenty of money to pay for legal fees should you be sued.

I don't know why the dog died or whether the other claims of mistreatment are true or not, but the treatment of the body and owner is surely proof that these people are, at the very least, in the wrong line of business.

borderlinemeath

tretorn wrote: »

Maybe the dog was so sick he wouldnt eat.

You are making up an awful lot of unsubstantiated allegations in your post.

Have you plenty of money to pay for legal fees should you be sued.

You're making a lot of assumptions too.


If the dog was "so sick he wouldn't eat", it's best practice to attend a vet. If the dog was dangerously ill, an out of hours veterinary service could have been used. It's a professional kennel set up, these procedures are standard practice.

If and it's a big "If" the owner decided to sue, who to choose? There's thousands of posts that are absolutely disgusted at this situation stating the same thing. And also, it would be shining a spotlight onto his alleged other "rescue" practices that I'm sure he'd much rather was kept under wraps.



No vet saw the dog until the owner brought the "package" to her own vet.

tretorn

borderlinemeath wrote: »

You're making a lot of assumptions too.


If the dog was "so sick he wouldn't eat", it's best practice to attend a vet. If the dog was dangerously ill, an out of hours veterinary service could have been used. It's a professional kennel set up, these procedures are standard practice.

If and it's a big "If" the owner decided to sue, who to choose? There's thousands of posts that are absolutely disgusted at this situation stating the same thing. And also, it would be shining a spotlight onto his alleged other "rescue" practices that I'm sure he'd much rather was kept under wraps.



No vet saw the dog until the owner brought the "package" to her own vet.

Really, every dog owner runs to the vet with their credit card if the dog refuses to eat.

Dog kennels are probably like creches and nursing homes, you pay your money and your relative or dog or cat or whatever is one of a large number there. The food will be put down in front of whoever is meant to eat it and the the plates are collected, if you want to eat eat and if you dont your be dog sat or child minded or old person sat in a chair and no one will give a hoot.

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tretorn wrote: »

Really, every dog owner runs to the vet with their credit card if the dog refuses to eat.

Dog kennels are probably like creches and nursing homes, you pay your money and your relative or dog or cat or whatever is one of a large number there. The food will be put down in front of whoever is meant to eat it and the the plates are collected, if you want to eat eat and if you dont your be dog sat or child minded or old person sat in a chair and no one will give a hoot.

Christ, such ignorance.

borderlinemeath

tretorn wrote: »

Really, every dog owner runs to the vet with their credit card if the dog refuses to eat.

So which is it? A dog that is too sick to eat, or an over reacting owner? You're flipping all over the place here.

Dog kennels are probably like creches and nursing homes, you pay your money and your relative or dog or cat or whatever is one of a large number there. The food will be put down in front of whoever is meant to eat it and the the plates are collected, if you want to eat eat and if you dont you will be dog sat or child minded or old person sat in a chair and no one will give a hoot.

Full of assumptions again as to what can happen in kennels. Or that everyone who works in the industry is as lacking in empathy as the owners of this one appear to be.


The dog was supplied with medication. Written and oral instructions, medication twice a day. The kennels clearly ignored the instructions and medication as it was not present in the dogs system in the autopsy results.

Millem

Why is it only coming out now when this happened over Christmas?

coolisin

tretorn wrote: »

Really, every dog owner runs to the vet with their credit card if the dog refuses to eat.

Dog kennels are probably like creches and nursing homes, you pay your money and your relative or dog or cat or whatever is one of a large number there. The food will be put down in front of whoever is meant to eat it and the the plates are collected, if you want to eat eat and if you dont your be dog sat or child minded or old person sat in a chair and no one will give a hoot.

Yeah I will, as I will know he is out of character so if he is not eating something is wrong I need to get checked out.
And I have also, a couple of hours could be life threatening as you don't know how long something has being wrong.

LorelaiG

tretorn wrote: »

Really, every dog owner runs to the vet with their credit card if the dog refuses to eat.

Dog kennels are probably like creches and nursing homes, you pay your money and your relative or dog or cat or whatever is one of a large number there. The food will be put down in front of whoever is meant to eat it and the the plates are collected, if you want to eat eat and if you dont your be dog sat or child minded or old person sat in a chair and no one will give a hoot.

That's not the way nursing homes work, and thank ****ing god, because if you were running them I'd despair.

Dial Hard

Millem wrote:

Why is it only coming out now when this happened over Christmas?

The owner finally got sick of Cullen's refusal to even engage with her and went public.

Abba987

The woman who dropped her dog in and it was supposedly cremated and everything before she got home. Where is that dog? Did it escape ? Was it sold ? I don't believe for a second they paid for cremation.

Millem

Abba987 wrote: »

I don't believe for a second they paid for cremation.

This what I find hard to believe! I can’t remember the extact figure but I paid a few hundred euro for getting my dog pts and cremated. As if the kennels would pay that!!!

CosmicFool

Millem wrote: »

This what I find hard to believe! I can’t remember the extact figure but I paid a few hundred euro for getting my dog pts and cremated. As if the kennels would pay that!!!

They must of really wanted to cover up what happened to the dog then if it is true

Cherry Blossom

It only cost hundreds if you want the ashes back. I worked in a vets briefly years ago and it cost €30 for them to dispose of a body for you. That would have been a group cremation.

Millem

CosmicFool wrote: »

They must of really wanted to cover up what happened to the dog then if it is true

Who knows?

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Millem wrote: »

This what I find hard to believe! I can’t remember the extact figure but I paid a few hundred euro for getting my dog pts and cremated. As if the kennels would pay that!!!

Probably billed the owner.

Abba987

With all the coverage would the DSPCA get involved or how does that work ?

SusieBlue

tretorn wrote: »

Maybe the dog was so sick he wouldnt eat.

You are making up an awful lot of unsubstantiated allegations in your post.

Have you plenty of money to pay for legal fees should you be sued.

If she was that sick that she wouldn't eat, she should have been immediately brought to the vets & her owners informed.

Not one claim I made was unsubstantiated, they didn't give Nova her medicine, they didn't ensure she had eaten (for whatever reason, be it outright neglect or mere indifference) and they packaged her up like a piece of rubbish after she died.

They showed absolutely no love, care or compassion to an innocent animal whose owners had paid them good money to look after.

The fact that you are defending the owner after his company's disgraceful, abusive treatment speaks volumes, but I'm not in the least bit surprised.

The failed in their duty of care and Nova's owners absolutely should be compensated for that. Hit him where it hurts - in the finances.

tretorn

SusieBlue wrote: »

If he was that sick that she wouldn't eat, she should have been immediately brought to the vets & her owners informed.

Not one claim I made was unsubstantiated, they didn't give Nova her medicine, they didn't ensure she had eaten (for whatever reason, be it outright neglect or mere indifference) and they packaged her up like a piece of rubbish after she died.

They showed absolutely no love, care or compassion to an innocent animal whose owners had paid them good money to look after.

The fact that you are defending the owner after his company's disgraceful, abusive treatment speaks volumes, but I'm not in the least bit surprised.

The failed in their duty of care and Nova's owners absolutely should be compensated for that. Hit him where it hurts - in the finances.

Yes, your last line is probably where this is going alright.

Sue and shut the kennels down because they dont show love to your dog, what are you going to do then when you want to go on holiers.

eviltwin

tretorn wrote: »

Yes, your last line is probably where this is going alright.

Sue and shut the kennels down because they dont show love to your dog, what are you going to do then when you want to go on holiers.

Any business that has such a terrible attitude to its customers probably shouldn't be in business

I'm not making any judgement on how the dog died but the way the owner was informed and treated on arrival was disgusting and the lack of engagement has just brought this on himself

Hoboo

tretorn wrote: »

Yes, your last line is probably where this is going alright.

Sue and shut the kennels down because they dont show love to your dog, what are you going to do then when you want to go on holiers.

Not put your dog in P&E Kennels.....whether shut or not

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tretorn wrote: »

Yes, your last line is probably where this is going alright.

Sue and shut the kennels down because they dont show love to your dog, what are you going to do then when you want to go on holiers.

To a kennels that doesn't abuse pets in their care??

Just why are you defending the disgusting behaviour of P&E?

SusieBlue

tretorn wrote: »

Yes, your last line is probably where this is going alright.

Sue and shut the kennels down because they dont show love to your dog, what are you going to do then when you want to go on holiers.

These people don't deserve to be in business, they are a danger to animals.

And it isn't about "showing love", people aren't up in arms because they didn't give the dog enough cuddles for goodness sake.
They neglected the most BASIC duty of care they had towards the dog. The dog subsequently died.
They therefore can't be trusted with other peoples pets.
Its that simple. They should be shut down and I hope Nova's owners take a civil case against them.

anewme

tretorn wrote: »

Yes, your last line is probably where this is going alright.

Sue and shut the kennels down because they dont show love to your dog, what are you going to do then when you want to go on holiers.

Shut the kennels because they shirked their responsibilities and handed over a dog in a ball instead of a pet that they were entrusted with.

Shut the kennel because the owner had not got the common decency to meet the client and instead scuttled out the side gate and drove off, leaving someone else to hand back what remained of their dog.

Shut the kennel because the owner has not been transparent and has not answered any questions about the animals welfare and why the post mortem showed no food in the dogs stomach or any of the medicine provided for it.

Shut the kennel because there now more stories coming out of poor practices and deaths at this kennel including someone whose dog was returned with bite marks all over it.

Shut the Kennel because of the use of poor practices including prong collars which are clear in the videos from this

Shut the kennel so no other person comes home to be handed their dog in a ball like a piece of rubbish.

Well done to the owner for speaking out so no one will allow this happen to their animal by sending them to this dump.

Millem

Cherry Blossom wrote: »

It only cost hundreds if you want the ashes back. I worked in a vets briefly years ago and it cost €30 for them to dispose of a body for you. That would have been a group cremation.

No Cherry I paid for a group cremation and for my dog to be pts just in February.
Paid a similar amount in 2014 for another dog. Maybe €200?
The vet has been my vet for 12 years in South Dublin. Dogs were large if that makes any difference.

tretorn

SusieBlue wrote: »

These people don't deserve to be in business, they are a danger to animals.

And it isn't about "showing love", people aren't up in arms because they didn't give the dog enough cuddles for goodness sake.
They neglected the most BASIC duty of care they had towards the dog. The dog subsequently died.
They therefore can't be trusted with other peoples pets.
Its that simple. They should be shut down and I hope Nova's owners take a civil case against them.

Arent you all over every abortion thread, dont see you showing much concern there about the disposal of human remains.

Why are you so concerned about dead dogs corpses.

Maybe now you might show some sensitivity to people who get upset thinking about aborted foetuses, they rate the value of humans above dogs, unlike you but you never show any empathy.

And then you expect them to jump up and down because a dog who has bled to death is sealed up as he could be a danger to other paying customers animals.

SusieBlue

SusieBlue wrote: »

If she was that sick that she wouldn't eat, she should have been immediately brought to the vets & her owners informed.

Not one claim I made was unsubstantiated, they didn't give Nova her medicine, they didn't ensure she had eaten (for whatever reason, be it outright neglect or mere indifference) and they packaged her up like a piece of rubbish after she died.

.

This is a horror story for the owner, but where does it say they didn't give the dog the medecine?

This is what I found

was inconclusive whether or not the steroids had been administered correctly.
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tretorn wrote: »

Arent you all over every abortion thread, dont see you showing much concern there about the disposal of human remains.

Why are you so concerned about dead dogs corpses.

Maybe now you might show some sensitivity to people who get upset thinking about aborted foetuses, they rate the value of humans above dogs, unlike you but you never show any empathy.

And then you expect them to jump up and down because a dog who has bled to death is sealed up as he could be a danger to other paying customers animals.

Lads, don't rise to it, I've reported the poster.

LorelaiG

Millem wrote: »

No Cherry I paid for a group cremation and for my dog to be pts just in February.
Paid a similar amount in 2014 for another dog. Maybe €200?
The vet has been my vet for 12 years in South Dublin. Dogs were large if that makes any difference.

I paid 90 euro back in October to have our dog PTS, that included disposal by cremation as a group. The vet quoted me €900 euro if we wanted him cremated by himself and ashes returned.

This was a JRT

SusieBlue

Deleted User wrote: »

This is a horror story for the owner, but where does it say they didn't give the dog the medecine?

This is what I found

I've read elsewhere that the kennels are unable to prove that they administered anything to the dog, they couldn't provide any log sheets or patient charts showing what time and what dosage were given at all.
The kennel owner first claimed a colleague gave the medicine, then claimed he himself did it.
They haven't provided any conclusive evidence that they administered anything, either publicly or to Nova's owners.
She's not likely to have died if she was medicated properly.
I'm just looking for a link to the article now!

Cherry Blossom

tretorn, digging up posts made by users in other threads/forums in order to troll them is very much frowned upon on Boards, do not post in this thread again.


......., announcing that you have reported a post only serves to agitate the poster further, do not do this again.
Report the post and move on and let the mods deal with it.