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Who Watches the Watchmen (Our Chit Chat Thread)
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I'd bet in a big ticket auction at one of the main auction houses you could very easily quadruple that estimate. With some extra jam on top. Must have been an older Roadshow? Around 2014 maybe? Here's an example from a 2018 auction and nearly 170,000 sterlings. Recently I think they've been going for north of 300,000. With a provenance like that and with the logbook? I reckon well over 300kJust watching Antiques Roadshow.
A Rolex 5513 with a great military provenance and history including photos and a logbook and an ultra rare underlined dial indicating Tritium early batch, aswell as the original riveted bracelet as a spare!
£50-60k :eek:
Still my fave Rolex of all time and by quite a margin.
IMHO far nicer hands and dial and bezel. Still surprised Rolex hasn't done a reissue. I reckon it would fly off the shelves at the speed of light.
Then again having seen a few watches go through the Antiques Roadshow down the years the experts consistently lowball estimates and by quite the degree. There was one show where there was a fake, or very dodgy example of a JLC IIRC? And the expert was going on about fakes... Another where an extremely rare pre war prototype German B-Uhr in a far more wearable size than normal ones was valued at 4k. Quadruple that. Or Lawrence of Arabia's Omega valued around the 5-6k IIRC. Now that has all sorts of questions around it, but it went for 60+ again IIRC to Omega themselves and that was many moons ago when Milsubs could be had for 10-20k. Or less.Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,159 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Join Date:Posts: 59087
I'd agree there. If I were going east of the Iron Curtain I'd go for a vintage Vostok, much cheaper, more interesting historically, better quality for the money, new seals and pretty water resistant and you'll lose feck all if you flip it(and like the cheaper Seiko can be regulated to be remarkably good timekeepers).I have had Orients and Vostocks and they are unworthy to touch the helm of the Seiko SKX's garment.
+1000 on this. If I were looking at a Hamilton I'd be looking at used, but those recommendations would be my first choices. The Zenith in particular. Jaysus Fitz, two for two.Jomashop have them around 1000 euro so after duty about 1400. Just a little bit more (50%) and you would have a very similar used zenith el primero, certainly a speedmaster reduced.
Hammilton is not a bad brand and they have some genuine history, but for that sort of dosh I would tend towards a classic.
It also depends on why someone collects. The jewellery aspect is very much in play, especially in the last few years, but while I may be a bit of a weirdo hereTelling the time is a function of a watch not the function of a watch. A watch is jewellery. there are still quite a few collectors still out there for which that really would be way down the list. Even around here I'm not that weird. Our very own Irishplayer hereabouts with his 30's Pilot's Watch and that bloody fantastic 60's Seiko he wanted, researched and went hunting for and snared. And his interest in the old and often mad stuff 
Hell, he can even tell us what watches were on display in Knight Rider. Probably can tell us what KITT was sporting under the bonnet(I'm thinking Casio Calculator ). Not a lot of the jewellery thing going on there.
Though I do take your point, especially with newbies coming into this madness hobby. In the early days they can often take a scattergun approach and live to regret it. That goes for the more jewellery guys and the vintage guys(if anything more the latter). It can be easy to get distracted even conned and IMHO that's become more of a problem than it was. So many dealers and chancers and brands too, looking to part the unwary from their wallet.Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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Probably can tell us what KITT was sporting under the bonnet(I'm thinking Casio Calculator). Under the bonnet of K.I.T.T was a futuristic Turbine engine that can run on any combustible liquid thanks to his fuel processor ( in reality it was the standard Pontiac 305 V8 with a 3 speed auto and a special Line lock for the front wheels allowing for those great wheel spin scene's :cool: )A great video showing one if the actual screen used cars featured in Jay Leno's Garage with the guys from Knight Rider Historians [Link] 0
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I'd bet in a big ticket auction at one of the main auction houses you could very easily quadruple that estimate. With some extra jam on top. Must have been an older Roadshow? Around 2014 maybe? Here's an example from a 2018 auction and nearly 170,000 sterlings. Recently I think they've been going for north of 300,000. With a provenance like that and with the logbook? I reckon well over 300k
Still my fave Rolex of all time and by quite a margin.
IMHO far nicer hands and dial and bezel. Still surprised Rolex hasn't done a reissue. I reckon it would fly off the shelves at the speed of light.
Then again having seen a few watches go through the Antiques Roadshow down the years the experts consistently lowball estimates and by quite the degree. There was one show where there was a fake, or very dodgy example of a JLC IIRC? And the expert was going on about fakes... Another where an extremely rare pre war prototype German B-Uhr in a far more wearable size than normal ones was valued at 4k. Quadruple that. Or Lawrence of Arabia's Omega valued around the 5-6k IIRC. Now that has all sorts of questions around it, but it went for 60+ again IIRC to Omega themselves and that was many moons ago when Milsubs could be had for 10-20k. Or less.
Steinhart really did a great job with their OVM in bringing this to your average Joe.0 -
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