"Non book readers" - Season 8 Episode 3 "The Long Night" - Spoilers post 2 forwa

shrewdness

J. Marston wrote: »

Did Gilly die in the crypt?

There was a woman being mauled in the crypt who I thought looked like Gilly alright, I was wondering if I was imagining things. Still not sure.

RollieFingers

Exclamation Marc wrote: »

Any thoughts on how Arya got past all the generals? Just raw pace, agility and guile...?

Parkour :P Was a bit handy she arrived just in the nick of time.

Gamer Bhoy 89

RickBlaine wrote: »

Big question is what was Bran doing during the battle. He warged into some ravens and flew away. Why? There has to be more to that.

I also would have liked to see characters like Jaime and Brienne fight and kill some of the white walkers with their dragonglass weapons.

I think what he did was he baited the Night King to come to him, since he can see things past and present (I think) I reckon he did that knowing Arya would kill him. That's my theory. I probably missed something. But the moment the NK arrived, he came to.

Turtwig

DwightSchrute1 wrote: »

No one knows

Think it was hinted that she was disguised as a white walker?


Although earlier we did see how much of an expert Sam Fisher she was.

pah

Turtwig wrote: »

Think it was hinted that she was disguised as a white walker?

I don't see how that's possible

RickBlaine

J. Marston wrote: »

Did Gilly die in the crypt?

I'm pretty sure I saw her in that group of survivors in the crypt. She was on the right hand side of the screen.

I think the girl who got mauled by the wright was a random extra.

Dial Hard

muddypaws wrote:

It was a bit Disney but the ending was epic

RollieFingers wrote:

Very Disney alright. Some aim on Drogon to avoid setting Jon on fire.

Ah would you ever feck off you miserable killjoys.

It is literally the best TV ever made.

So far... :pac

IvySlayer

Plot armour really strong in this episode.

I just hope Ghost survived! Did he just start following Jorah?

Exclamation Marc

shrewdness wrote: »

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Fantastic episode, though I must admit I'm a little surprised that the Night King is gone already, as he was a great villain and they built him up so much.

The Night Kings best quality was that he was an unknown; a lingering, silent and somewhat invisible threat and the enemy you can't see is always more terrifying than the one you can.

He was an excellent villain but I'm glad he's gone as narratively it would be tricky to keep him as interesting without the mystique and after him 'playing his hand'.

Exclamation Marc

IvySlayer wrote: »

Plot armour really strong in this episode.

I just hope Ghost survived! Did he just start following Jorah?

Ghost survived, 100%.

meeeeh

I thought it was ok. They needed to do a big battle and that can get a bit monotonous after a while. Beginning was good, middle a bit meh and it got very good again towards the end. When Mel talks to Arya I knew she had a role but I was too absorbed into everything that was going on towards in the last few moments I totally forgot about her. I knew someone was coming when one of the whitewalkers looked aside but Arya showing up there was a surprise. I thought that was done very well.

Also judging by the look Tyrion gave to Bran at the beginning I think he knows who Jon is.

I thought that was awful (maybe not all tv show awful but game of thrones awful)

Very disappointing the first half an hour pretty much unfollowable, I get what they were doing but tbh I reckon they over did it to save on money

After it was ok but it really set the whole watching experience off on the wrong foot.

Barring everyone else next to no one died.

And the intensive scenes barring the last were scripted so you knew exactly what was happening. (dani staring into a fire looking unhappy and O the knight knight survives wow)

Also 7 seasons of people being very clever to outwit one another and we got some really poor decision making my many.

The closer in fighting reminded me of a bad zombie movie.

I dont think anything tv wise has dissapointed me as much as that last episode

J. Marston

J. Marston wrote: »

The shots of the dragons above the clouds in the moonlight were amazing.

the best thing of the episode

Always Tired

theballz wrote: »

Thousands of theories, hundreds of play outs, millions of fans - no one predicted Arya was Azor Ahai.

Because she doesn't tick any of the boxes, it makes no sense. If we had another season or two I could see the 'prince who was promised' being her and Gendry's wean or something.

In all these mythical stories it's always the fella with no lineage who is the heir to everything im the end. If they're going to make arya into something like Azor Ahai then I can only imagine it's for spin-off purposes, as she is both young and very popular she'd be the perfect protagonist for one. And I still think there's something plot wise to come out of her and Gendry's hook up other than just riding each other into battle.

Dave_The_Sheep

****ing fantastic to see the Dothraki get what's coming to them. Absolute pricks, start to finish.

GSPfan

I genuinely think they ruined that. The editing was terrible. There was a cut every 2 seconds and with everything so dim I couldn’t follow anything. It was a complete mess for the most part with some brilliant visuals along the way.
Battle of the Bastards was much better from a battle standpoint. Obviously the ending was great but that also had a bit of stupidity thrown in by Arya appearing out of nowhere.

GSPfan

Also the fact the dead started out like I Am Legend zombies and when the story needed them to slow down a bit they turned into The Walking Dead zombies. That was stupid.

vetinari

That was some ending! Did not expect that.
The first half of the episode though, what a mess!

The Dothraki all getting wiped out at the start was very ridiculous. Multiple really annoying things about it.

1) They've been portrayed as an elite fighting force since the start. They all get killed straight away but main characters can spend minutes battling 10s of wights one on one.

2) Why did they even charge in the first place. That seemed insane. Tbh it struck me as a bit racist.
They caricatured the Dothraki as "noble savages". I don't even know what a successful charge for the Dothraki would have even been.
Yet they all supposedly willingly decided to charge to their deaths for no reason. If the white northeners had done the same thing, people would rightly question the show's writing.

Come to think of it, the entire tactics were baffling, why were any of the armies outside the wall. Can someone explain to me how the "plan" was supposed to work?

In general, they would have been better served shortening the episode. I've loved all the other battle episodes in the series. This one was way too long and drawn out. It started bordering on slapstick in terms of the number of near deaths for main characters. There must have been nearly 10 of them. And the lighting, my god. I'm glad I had the lights turned off.

The last 15 minutes does redeem the episode at least. I expected the Night King to be around till the end.

Dave_The_Sheep

vetinari wrote: »

The Dothraki all getting wiped out at the start was very ridiculous. Multiple really annoying things about it.

1) They've been portrayed as an elite fighting force since the start. They all get killed straight away but main characters can spend minutes battling 10s of wights one on one.

2) Why did they even charge in the first place.

Becuase they're idiots. They have no actual tactics beyond "charge", and they havne't had to fight anyone proper in years. They couldn't take the cities on the other continent and they're tactically inept. Hence charge and die.

That whole "your people can't fight" line from last season says a lot. Sure, you're hot **** against a tired enemy when you've a dragon doing your actual work for you, but when you actually have to do something useful, you're not hot ****, you're just ****.

Delighted for them.

martyos121

That was phenomenal, from start to finish. Leaving the darkness aside, I couldn’t have hoped for any more suspense and excitement than that. Love how the entire episode pretty much evolved around Arya and how she used every bit of her training in Braavos to get the job done in the end, between slaying the wights with the dragon glass staff, using her stealth to evade so many of them in the library and then the final kill, which they foreshadowed brilliantly in the previous season:



One of the best episodes of a television show I’ve ever seen. Very intrigued to see where they go from here, because the rest of the season could be as much as a coda after that.

Dave_The_Sheep

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

Becuase they're idiots. They have no actual tactics beyond "charge", and they havne't had to fight anyone proper in years. They couldn't take the cities on the other continent and they're tactically inept. Hence charge and die.

That whole "your people can't fight" line from last season says a lot. Sure, you're hot **** against a tired enemy when you've a dragon doing your actual work for you, but when you actually have to do something useful, you're not hot ****, you're just ****.

Delighted for them.

But hey were under someone elses leadership, its not like they got in formation then just rocked off on there own command

vetinari

vetinari wrote:

Tbh it struck me as a bit racist.

Are you f*king serious?

GSPfan

I wish I could watch tv through your eyes martyos121. Not just because you must have a cats vision, but you are able to not see the obvious flaws in the editing and or writing of that episode. Glad you liked it but it’s going to be very divisive I feel.

Dave_The_Sheep

Deleted User wrote: »

But hey were under someone elses leadership, its not like they got in formation then just rocked off on there own command

They did what they were good for. Dying. **** all else use, other than killing civilians.

vetinari

Deleted User wrote: »

Are you f*king serious?

God, no one has any capacity to analyze race based stuff.
No idea why people are so touchy.


The Dothraki scene only worked because we were meant to think of them as something akin to "ignorant savages". It was a suicidal charge. Game Of Thrones has been good up to now of humanizing all groupings and making their decision making seem plausible. As I said, if the northerners has just charged the army of the dead and been slaughtered instantly, it would have looked ridiculous.

vetinari

vetinari wrote:

God, no one has any capacity to analyze race based stuff. No idea why people are so touchy.

So.... It's a bit racist?

Tikki Wang Wang

Poor enough. Too overly reliant on CGI. Also silly tactics at the start. Why waste all the men when the dragons could have done the job? Dunno where this season is going but they really are milking it at this stage. Beyond cliched now.

martyos121

GSPfan wrote: »

I wish I could watch tv through your eyes martyos121. Not just because you must have a cats vision, but you are able to not see the obvious flaws in the editing and or writing of that episode. Glad you liked it but it’s going to be very divisive I feel.

These sort of posts are the absolute worst.

“I didn’t like it so nobody else should. Also, you’re watching TV wrong.”

That’s pretty much what you said.

I don’t give a shiny fcuk about any flaws in the editing or writing of a major battle episode, I’ve been following the show for years to build up towards a climax like that, and halfway into the final season it arrives. At some point, development needs to slow down and shît needs to happen. You can nitpick all you want, that episode delivered for me and literally everyone else I’ve been messaging in the last hour. You’re entitled to not like it, but the part in bold is just utterly obnoxious and pointless.

sinjin_smythe

Delivered very well for me. I think the battle in the final season will always have divided criticism but im glad its not left to the very end, it built up a huge "all is lost" mind-frame for the characters and to turn it right around without making it look obvious is not easily written. Theres still alot to sort out and im glad they have left the final episodes for just that. It is Game of Thrones afterall and im just as eager to find out who and how the ruler of the seven kingdoms will pan out!

s7ryf3925pivug

vetinari wrote: »

God, no one has any capacity to analyze race based stuff.
No idea why people are so touchy.


The Dothraki scene only worked because we were meant to think of them as something akin to "ignorant savages". It was a suicidal charge. Game Of Thrones has been good up to now of humanizing all groupings and making their decision making seem plausible. As I said, if the northerners has just charged the army of the dead and been slaughtered instantly, it would have looked ridiculous.

The Dothraki were scary ****ers. When they got the fire damage buff I thought -well that evens the odds a bit. Then they were snuffed out in the dark, and I felt more dread than I thought possible from a TV show.

Racist? Against the Mongol horde is it? Overthinking things there. Better to try to immerse yourself.

BazzyB

Good episode but kind of disappointed in ways, expected "more" of the night king and in particular the white walkers. 7 seasons of building to a mediocre performance. I preferred hardhome, they scared me more then.

Arya's path through the episode was brilliant, I genuinely believed that the library scence was playing after the battle had ended and Arya was the only one left.

Surprised the crypt didn't wipe out everyone inside it.

Also can't believe Greyworm survived with the number of times he was overwhelmed. Did Gendry survive?

s7ryf3925pivug

who did survive and die?

Jon's dragon?
Gendry?
Brienne?
Jaime?
Sam?
The Hound?

Not sure about any of them

Some of those early battle scenes were too dark to not be distracting, but the second half of that episode really pulled me in.

I quite liked Jorah through-out the show and although he was always marked to go out as he did, I'll be sorry to see the character and Iain Glen gone for the last 3 episodes. So that's House Mormont wiped out in the Battle of Winterfell? Damn.

That episode was made just an hour up the M1 from a lot of us posting here, it's amazing the location work being done with television shows in the modern day.

Many of these top-ranked shows have their flaws, but the last 20 years have been something else for television and GoT is very much part of that.

Never mind George R.R. Martin or D+D, I fúcking love HBO Now bring me some Barry and Veep.

Dave_The_Sheep

Got to the end of the episode. That was thoroughly underwhelming.

fash

Wesley Tinkling Tigress wrote: »

who did survive and die?

Jon's dragon?
Gendry?
Brienne?
Jaime?
Sam?
The Hound?

Not sure about any of them

All survived. The preview of the next episode has the 2nd dragon.

Question:
Why was Melisandre allegedly able to make a prediction about Arya being Azor Ahai in season 3:

"I see a darkness in you. And in that darkness, eyes staring back at me. Brown eyes, blue eyes, green eyes. Eyes sealed shut forever. We will meet again.”

Yet later thought it was Stannis? Hence the need to burn Shireen?

Seems like a retcon...

Enzokk

vetinari wrote: »

That was some ending! Did not expect that.
The first half of the episode though, what a mess!

The Dothraki all getting wiped out at the start was very ridiculous. Multiple really annoying things about it.

1) They've been portrayed as an elite fighting force since the start. They all get killed straight away but main characters can spend minutes battling 10s of wights one on one.

2) Why did they even charge in the first place. That seemed insane. Tbh it struck me as a bit racist.
They caricatured the Dothraki as "noble savages". I don't even know what a successful charge for the Dothraki would have even been.
Yet they all supposedly willingly decided to charge to their deaths for no reason. If the white northeners had done the same thing, people would rightly question the show's writing.

Come to think of it, the entire tactics were baffling, why were any of the armies outside the wall. Can someone explain to me how the "plan" was supposed to work?

In general, they would have been better served shortening the episode. I've loved all the other battle episodes in the series. This one was way too long and drawn out. It started bordering on slapstick in terms of the number of near deaths for main characters. There must have been nearly 10 of them. And the lighting, my god. I'm glad I had the lights turned off.

The last 15 minutes does redeem the episode at least. I expected the Night King to be around till the end.

It has been said many times before that you cannot beat a Dothraki horde in open ground. Did you expect them to fight a close quarters battle? Then the complaint would have been they should have been on open ground.

As for the lighting of the episode, yes it was dark but I suppose it was meant to increase the viewers disorientation as well. Remember other than the wildlings and the men from the Night Watch, no-one has fought the dead before. So you are meant to experience what they are, not sure what you are seeing but hearing the sounds of fighting and people dying.

As for the rest of the season, expect all three to disappoint fans as they would have built it up for so long. It may have been better to watch the whole series in one go instead of having to wait 2 years from the last season and having all that build up. For some with all that excitement it was going to lead to not having their expectations met.

For an TV episode that was epic. This was a TV episode, not a movie you watched and shown on TV, but a television episode. Also, looking at the preview,

Cersei is winning all of this, isn't she?

Edit: No spoiler to assert that Cersei has the biggest army available after the Winterfell battle, right?

Thought it was ok until Arya came out of nowhere..

Enzokk

Also, was that Maester Luwin causing havoc in the crypts?

mystic86

Some of the comments here are strange, but can't please everyone.

Outstanding episode, hats off.

fash

Annoyed by the awful military tactics (again) - front line artillery used only once! 1 line of fortifications only with soldiers in front! Misuse of cavalry. Etc.
I think it would have also been better if the following died:
Tormund, Brienne, Pod, Ser Davos, Ghost, one of the dragons, Arya or Sansa, Greyworm, Mellisande, Varys and Gilly (but not the baby). That would have been a suitably devastating episode.

ricero

They have **** the bed baby

touts

Writers room:
Let's do it.
Let's do it.
Let's do it.
Let's do it.
No don't do it.

They chickened out. They couldn't kill off the main characters. They should have at least let it go to the fourth episode with a conversation/dream sequence between Bran and the Night King and then show one of the night walkers tear off it's face to show Arya and then have her kill the Night King.

Mr. Incognito

I loved the last two weeks,

That was rubbish. Crap. I feel ive been conned for 7 years.

1. Ever major character survives with magical plot armour.

2. The dothraki are wiped out in seconds but Jamie of the left handed survives with Brienne and Pod.

3. Jon Snow is literally invincible.

4. The night king took 20 mins to Kill Bran.

5. Ayra manages to ninja her way to the night king.

6. The editing. Ffs. I enjoyed the music around the season 7 finale re the wildfire. It didnt work there. Stabbing to Strings. No thanks.

I defended this show against the filler episode idiot comments. The crowd got their blood but that was a ridiculous cartoon.

Ill have to rewatch it for any redeeming features but what a let down.

golfball37

It was epic . Visibility really peed me off but the later creepy scenes in crypt and with Arya hiding were excellent.
Not as good as bob on first viewing and disappointed with walkers not being involved, they are far less menacing than that opening sequence of episode one.

Episode synopsis: Zombies going from crazed mega-strength lunatics, to being non-existent during the retreat, to tip-toeing around inside the castle, to being incredibly weak so the main characters can hold them off when surrounded, to being so strong, they can break through stone in the crypt.

We are now half way through the last season, and all that's been achieved is one somewhat entertaining battle, and the deaths of the Night King, Theon, Jorah, Melisandra, Edd, Mormont, Umber and Beric. Fan-favorite armour is strong.

It was obvious by the end that Arya was going to kill the NK; I just didn't expect her to manage to jump 50 feet over all the NK's lieutenants and wights in the open without being seen.

Thank **** Mormont is finally dead anyway..

Shemale

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It was obvious by the end that Arya was going to kill the NK; I just didn't expect her to manage to jump 50 feet over all the NK's lieutenants and wights in the open without being seen.

It was but they are under his command, they didnt flinch when Theon ran 100 metres at him with a lance

razorblunt

Wesley Tinkling Tigress wrote: »

The Dothraki were scary ****ers. When they got the fire damage buff I thought -well that evens the odds a bit. Then they were snuffed out in the dark, and I felt more dread than I thought possible from a TV show.

Racist? Against the Mongol horde is it? Overthinking things there. Better to try to immerse yourself.

That was exactly it, they had a "fcuk yeah" light the swords and charge moment. Bronn had a line earlier about the Dothraki being a swarm in open field, that's them in a nutshell, they're never going to man the walls or make formations like the other armies.

Airyfairy12

Deleted User wrote: »

Episode synopsis: Zombies going from crazed mega-strength lunatics, to being non-existent during the retreat, to tip-toeing around inside the castle, to being incredibly weak so the main characters can hold them off when surrounded, to being so strong, they can break through stone in the crypt.

We are now half way through the last season, and all that's been achieved is one somewhat entertaining battle, and the deaths of the Night King, Theon, Jorah, Melisandra, Edd, Mormont, Umber and Beric. Fan-favorite armour is strong.

It was obvious by the end that Arya was going to kill the NK; I just didn't expect her to manage to jump 50 feet over all the NK's lieutenants and wights in the open without being seen.

I didnt see it that way at all.
The Dotrakis ran straight into the entire army of wights unaware of what they where facing, the wights would have literally dragged the entire army under. They took down the dragon and climbed the walls of the castle, they were like insects. I dont think its so much about their individual strength, its more so about their power working together as a group so it makes sense they would over power the Dotraki. There was easily 100+ to one when the Dotraki attacked, they didnt stand a chance.

There was much less of them at a time during the battle scenes in the castle and they where confined to a small space with plenty of people ready to fight the wights.

They wearnt tip toeing around the castle, they only become violent when they see a living person, like a wild animal when it sees pray.

There is no pleasing some people. That episode was amazing.

Shemale

Shemale wrote: »

It was but they are under his command, they didnt flinch when Theon ran 100 metres at him with a lance

The other WWs aren't. In S7, one of them was out and about with his wights when the A-Team went up past the wall.