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Ulster Team Talk Thread IV... Go On My Henderson...

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    #5432
    bilston
    Registered Users Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    I thought that post might trigger a few Paul!

    FWIW I've heard in the past that a retired Ulster, Ireland and Lion wasn't a big fan of Schmidt's ways with players.

    But...as others have said, many successful coaches in many sports have been like that. Nice guys come second apparently.


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    #5433
    Former Former Former
    Registered Users Posts: 5,898 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Paul Smeenus wrote: »
    I dunno if there's any bombshells in there.

    But maybe this interview with Touhy, which does mention Joe, is actually primarily about... Touhy?

    but but but...
    Paul Smeenus wrote: »
    Very frank and quite vulnerable description from Dan Tuohy about trying to fit in under Joe.

    Like, you brought it up and the only thing you mentioned was the Joe topic.


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    #5434
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 53,755 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Former Former Former wrote: »
    I don't mean his opinion doesn't matter, I mean that it doesn't matter if Joe is a nice guy or not. All that matters is his results which he delivered in spades (RWCs aside). Some players will always react badly to a coach or his style.

    I don't think the point was to determine if Joe Schmidt was a nice guy or not.

    Tuohy likely interviewed about himself, asked about his time playing for Ireland, this segment has been picked out for special mention because he said things that were interesting and not your typical boring clichés.

    That's all there is to it.

    I am sure Joe Schmidt is wise enough to know that there are likely players of his who never really liked him.


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    #5435
    launish116
    Registered Users Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭launish116


    theVersatile wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/1407244055759802368?s=19

    Matthew Dalton to Newcastle

    Had the aggression & physicality. Wonder will this be another that advances elsewhere.


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    #5436
    Paul Smeenus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,466 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    Former Former Former wrote: »
    but but but...



    Like, you brought it up and the only thing you mentioned was the Joe topic.

    And what was my substantive point about the Joe topic?

    How open and unguarded Tuohy was on it.

    And lo and behold, two posts later we have Macho Man weighing in from the 1950s, complaining that Tuohy sounds "sensitive". That attitude is the real issue here, and why Touhy saying he "needs an arm put around" him is worth remarking on.

    But but but... there's an implicit criticism of Joe! That's the focus!

    Stop trying to police any mention of Joe, FFF.


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    #5437
    Paul Smeenus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,466 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    bilston wrote: »
    I thought that post might trigger a few Paul!

    FWIW I've heard in the past that a retired Ulster, Ireland and Lion wasn't a big fan of Schmidt's ways with players.

    But...as others have said, many successful coaches in many sports have been like that. Nice guys come second apparently.

    Wish I'd had your foresight. Wouldn't have bothered posting it.


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    #5438
    theVersatile
    Registered Users Posts: 2,236 ✭✭✭theVersatile


    Lowry with Ireland

    https://twitter.com/IrishRugby/status/1407342575569231873?s=19
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    #5439
    launish116
    Registered Users Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭launish116


    theVersatile wrote: »
    Lowry with Ireland

    https://twitter.com/IrishRugby/status/1407342575569231873?s=19

    Well deserved.

    One foot in the door is a good start for Ulster guys going forward!


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    #5440
    Paul Smeenus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,466 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    launish116 wrote: »
    Well deserved.

    One foot in the door is a good start for Ulster guys going forward!

    Delighted for him, and agreed, he absolutely earned it.

    Pleasantly surprised, as I thought Farrell really prioritised big lads.


    NB no Joes were harmed in the making of this post.


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    #5441
    launish116
    Registered Users Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭launish116


    IRELAND U20 - FRIDAY 2000 HOURS

    15. Jamie Osborne (Naas CBS/Naas RFC/Leinster)
    14. Ben Moxham (Larne High School/Ballymena RFC/Ulster)
    13. Shane Jennings (Garbally College/Buccaneers RFC/Connacht)
    12. Cathal Forde (Colaiste Iognaid/Corinthians RFC/Connacht)
    11. Chris Cosgrave (St Michael’s College/UCD RFC/Leinster)
    10. Tim Corkery (St Kieran’s College, Kilkenny/UCD RFC/Leinster)
    9. Nathan Doak (Wallace High School/Banbridge RFC/Ulster)

    1. Jack Boyle (St Michael’s College/UCD RFC/Leinster)
    2. Ronan Loughnane (Cistercian College Roscrea/UCD RFC/Leinster)
    3. Mark Donnelly (CBC Cork/Garryowen RFC/Munster)
    4. Alex Soroka (Belvedere College/Clontarf RFC/Leinster)
    5. Harry Sheridan (Sullivan Upper School/Dublin University FC/Ulster)
    6. Donnacha Byrne (Summerhill College/Sligo RFC/Connacht)
    7. Oisin McCormack (Garbally College/Buccaneers RFC/Connacht)
    8. Alex Kendellen (PBC Cork/UCC RFC/Munster)(Captain).

    Replacements:

    16. Eoin de Buitléar (Scoil Chuimsitheach Chiáran/An Ghaeltacht/Corinthians RFC/Connacht)
    17. George Saunderson (Sullivan Upper School/Queen’s University Belfast RFC/Ulster)
    18. Sam Illo (Wesley College/Old Wesley RFC/Leinster)
    19. Mark Morrissey (Blackrock College/UCD RFC/Leinster)
    20. Reuben Crothers (Wallace High School/Ballynahinch RFC/Ulster)
    21. Conor McKee (Sullivan Upper School/Queen’s University Belfast RFC/Ulster)
    22. Ben Carson (Wallace High School/Banbridge RFC/Ulster)
    23. Jude Postlethwaite (RBAI/Banbridge RFC/Ulster)
    24. Fearghail O’Donoghue (Cashel Community School/Cashel RFC/Munster)
    25. Daniel Okeke (Ard Scoil Ris/Shannon RFC/Munster)
    26. Conor Rankin (Campbell College Belfast/Ballynahinch RFC/Ulster).

    Looking forward to seeing Postlethwaite & Saunderson, never seen them before so hopefully they'll get on. Still would really like to see Sheridan at blindside.


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    #5442
    Lsdrugbyfan
    Registered Users Posts: 882 ✭✭✭Lsdrugbyfan


    launish116 wrote: »
    IRELAND U20 - FRIDAY 2000 HOURS

    15. Jamie Osborne (Naas CBS/Naas RFC/Leinster)
    14. Ben Moxham (Larne High School/Ballymena RFC/Ulster)
    13. Shane Jennings (Garbally College/Buccaneers RFC/Connacht)
    12. Cathal Forde (Colaiste Iognaid/Corinthians RFC/Connacht)
    11. Chris Cosgrave (St Michael’s College/UCD RFC/Leinster)
    10. Tim Corkery (St Kieran’s College, Kilkenny/UCD RFC/Leinster)
    9. Nathan Doak (Wallace High School/Banbridge RFC/Ulster)

    1. Jack Boyle (St Michael’s College/UCD RFC/Leinster)
    2. Ronan Loughnane (Cistercian College Roscrea/UCD RFC/Leinster)
    3. Mark Donnelly (CBC Cork/Garryowen RFC/Munster)
    4. Alex Soroka (Belvedere College/Clontarf RFC/Leinster)
    5. Harry Sheridan (Sullivan Upper School/Dublin University FC/Ulster)
    6. Donnacha Byrne (Summerhill College/Sligo RFC/Connacht)
    7. Oisin McCormack (Garbally College/Buccaneers RFC/Connacht)
    8. Alex Kendellen (PBC Cork/UCC RFC/Munster)(Captain).

    Replacements:

    16. Eoin de Buitléar (Scoil Chuimsitheach Chiáran/An Ghaeltacht/Corinthians RFC/Connacht)
    17. George Saunderson (Sullivan Upper School/Queen’s University Belfast RFC/Ulster)
    18. Sam Illo (Wesley College/Old Wesley RFC/Leinster)
    19. Mark Morrissey (Blackrock College/UCD RFC/Leinster)
    20. Reuben Crothers (Wallace High School/Ballynahinch RFC/Ulster)
    21. Conor McKee (Sullivan Upper School/Queen’s University Belfast RFC/Ulster)
    22. Ben Carson (Wallace High School/Banbridge RFC/Ulster)
    23. Jude Postlethwaite (RBAI/Banbridge RFC/Ulster)
    24. Fearghail O’Donoghue (Cashel Community School/Cashel RFC/Munster)
    25. Daniel Okeke (Ard Scoil Ris/Shannon RFC/Munster)
    26. Conor Rankin (Campbell College Belfast/Ballynahinch RFC/Ulster).

    Looking forward to seeing Postlethwaite & Saunderson, never seen them before so hopefully they'll get on. Still would really like to see Sheridan at blindside.

    Sheridan wont be moving from lock, due to injuries.


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    #5443
    launish116
    Registered Users Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭launish116


    Lsdrugbyfan wrote: »
    Sheridan wont be moving from lock, due to injuries.

    Sadly true!


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    #5444
    launish116
    Registered Users Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭launish116


    Leone Nakawara has now signed for Toulon.


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    #5445
    molloyjh
    Registered Users Posts: 24,762 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    bilston wrote: »
    I thought that post might trigger a few Paul!

    FWIW I've heard in the past that a retired Ulster, Ireland and Lion wasn't a big fan of Schmidt's ways with players.

    But...as others have said, many successful coaches in many sports have been like that. Nice guys come second apparently.

    Yeah, MOC was well liked by most senior players by all accounts. The nice guy who got nowhere. If we want exacting standards from our pro teams then the head guy needs exacting standards himself. I'm sure there's room for better interpersonal skills like Lancaster for example, but it's no surprise a lot of successful coaches have been tough characters.


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    #5446
    bilston
    Registered Users Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    launish116 wrote: »
    Leone Nakawara has now signed for Toulon.

    Weird. You have to wonder what went on there


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    #5447
    launish116
    Registered Users Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭launish116


    bilston wrote: »
    Weird. You have to wonder what went on there

    Really odd ain’t it


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    #5448
    salmocab
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    bilston wrote: »
    Weird. You have to wonder what went on there

    Could be as simple as suddenly he’s not worth much wages wise so is a cheap signing or they are willing to take a risk Ulster weren’t.


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    #5449
    Paul Smeenus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,466 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    Yeah, he'll be a luxury for them - we would have built our pack around him. Seems likely that there's questions over whether he'd have been robust enough for our needs.


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    #5450
    Utah_Saint
    Registered Users Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭Utah_Saint


    Mentioned on uafc - Mike Rhodes to leave Saracens. 33 years old 6ft 5" 18 stone flanker....

    We need someone very soon.


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    #5451
    Buer
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    Utah_Saint wrote: »
    Mentioned on uafc - Mike Rhodes to leave Saracens. 33 years old 6ft 5" 18 stone flanker....

    We need someone very soon.

    Total and complete thug. He's a good player but I'd hate to see him at a province.

    He's in the Callum Clarke bracket, for me.


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    #5452
    Utah_Saint
    Registered Users Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭Utah_Saint


    Buer wrote: »
    Total and complete thug. He's a good player but I'd hate to see him at a province.

    He's in the Callum Clarke bracket, for me.

    thats kinda why i would like him....play on the edge (not over it)


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    #5453
    launish116
    Registered Users Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭launish116


    Turns 34 start of the season.

    Might be a stop gap, but not sure he’ll fit our game plan.


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    #5454
    bilston
    Registered Users Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Signing Rhodes would smack of desperation. I'd rather we didn't. I don't know what it would achieve other than mildly filling a gap and pushing a problem 12 months down the line.

    Either make a significant top class back row signing (not very likely in late June) or spend next season developing David McCann, Marcus Rea and Reuben Crothers and assess where they are at in November and December and recruit accordingly for the 2022/23 season.


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    #5455
    Lsdrugbyfan
    Registered Users Posts: 882 ✭✭✭Lsdrugbyfan


    Utah_Saint wrote: »
    thats kinda why i would like him....play on the edge (not over it)

    he plays well beyond the edge.


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    #5456
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,506 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    If he transfers to another league, does his ban travel with him?


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    #5457
    launish116
    Registered Users Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭launish116


    I fully expect us to sign someone for them to get injured in the first week. It is the Ulster way.


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    #5458
    ionadnapokot
    Registered Users Posts: 4,823 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    Munster really are the premier province when it comes to that


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    #5459
    Utah_Saint
    Registered Users Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭Utah_Saint


    ionadnapokot wrote: »
    Munster really are the premier province when it comes to that

    have to agree....Munster are really stepping it up trying to out Ulster, Ulster...


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    #5460
    ionadnapokot
    Registered Users Posts: 4,823 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    Step up for the Munster men. Step up for the Munster men. And on and......


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    #5461
    Dubinusa
    Registered Users Posts: 8,523 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    There are lots of unsigned players floating about. Not sure if there's any gems out there, but with the Nakawara deal falling off the money is there. I think that McCann can do the job. Alongside Timoney and Reidy, he can prosper. It's worth noting that Nordi is also highly rated at 8. I think Ulster just need another back row, a superstar would be grand, but unlikely. Crothers is probably a couple of years away. He is fairly small and would need to develop physically.


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