Patrick Quirke -Guilty

gozunda

upupup wrote: »

Yes,I think the defense argument doesn't hold water:D

If the flies got in from day 1,I wonder if things would be different...maybe easier for PQ to deal with

True Did I read somewhere that someone is looking to do a film based on the murder of was I dreaming?

realdanbreen

pinkyeye wrote: »

Very little being said about the Late Late show? Can I take it that it was a fairly boring appearance?

I thought Bobby Ryan's son & daughter were very dignified and their love for their father was apparent. All in all a dignified interview.

Dr Strange

gozunda wrote: »

True Did I read somewhere that someone is looking to do a film based on the murder of was I dreaming?

Jim Sheridan, if the family are okay with it. More a documentary though.

realdanbreen

Edgware wrote: »

About standard ****e for the LLS. A bit of talk about "Daddy"

Would I be right in thinking you had the above post sent when you realised 'I'm being a bit of a tool here' ?

freshpopcorn

52 page book in The Sunday World by Eamon Dillion!

Muahahaha

jaysis that was quick, he was probably tying away in court every day

freshpopcorn

Muahahaha wrote: »

jaysis that was quick, he was probably tying away in court every day

Probably just a rehash of what's in the papers already with a few glossy pictures in the middle.
Paul Williams is getting ready for his Christmas book.

Road-Hog

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Probably just a rehash of what's in the papers already with a few glossy pictures in the middle.
Paul Williams is getting ready for his Christmas book.

Will book have a few ‘centre folds’ included...?

cute geoge

freshpopcorn wrote: »

52 page book in The Sunday World by Eamon Dillion!

Anyone see this yet ,is the sunday world worth buying today for it???

cute geoge

cute geoge wrote: »

is the sunday world worth buying today for it???

NEVER.

Wouldn't even eat chips out of it.

mikeymouse

cute geoge wrote: »

Anyone see this yet ,is the sunday world worth buying today for it???

If you do feel you have to buy it , make sure you hide it inside one of those "top shelf" mags.
According to the Sindo (just as bad!) today , a woman was arrested in 2014
on suspicion of withholding information from Gardai investigating Patrick Quirke .
She was released without charge after 4 days.It wasn't Mary Lowry they say.
I wonder who it was?

realdanbreen

realdanbreen wrote: »

I thought Bobby Ryan's son & daughter were very dignified and their love for their father was apparent. All in all a dignified interview.

this can be true and it still doesnt mean they ought to be on a prime time chat show ffs

john9876

mikeymouse wrote: »

If you do feel you have to buy it , make sure you hide it inside one of those "top shelf" mags.
According to the Sindo (just as bad!) today , a woman was arrested in 2014
on suspicion of withholding information from Gardai investigating Patrick Quirke .
She was released without charge after 4 days.It wasn't Mary Lowry they say.
I wonder who it was?

Quirkes wife?

mikeymouse

I wonder who it was?

john9876 wrote: »

Quirkes wife?

That was a rhetorical question!

finjoe

It was either Mary Lowry or Mrs Quirke, don't mind the Gardaí not saying who it was, the missing persons lady, having rang Mary Lowry to see if she had gone to the Gardaí herself to disclose her suspicions (and indeed her affair) with Patrick Quirke, remember Mary Lowry sought to meet this woman and met her at the filling station, and in great distress, Mary Lowry was advised to tell Gardaí what she knew and suspected this missing persons lady when Mary Lowry said she hadn't gone to the Gardaí (the missing persons woman rang her on the following Monday night to see if she had gone to the Gardaí) and when she hadnt, this woman said she telephoned the Gardaí herself, so you can bet your bottom dollar it was Mary Lowry who was arrested. They (Gardaí)probably didn't want people to think "oh maybe she is involved" (in the actual murder) Remember, this was the information that turned the "missing persons" case of Bobby Ryan into a murder trial, without this information the Gardaí had nothing to go on at all, I have followed this case since he went missing and I remember the woman being arrested and soon afterwards "a man" was arrested....they wouldn't arrest the "missing persons" woman as I am sure she verified whom she was etc. making the call and could be checked out easily...I doubt if Pat Quirkes wife would be arrested, why would she be arrested? She wasn't ever directly associated with any of the carry on...

gozunda

finjoe wrote: »

It was either Mary Lowry or Mrs Quirke, don't mind the Gardaí not saying who it was, the missing persons lady, having rang Mary Lowry to see if she had gone to the Gardaí herself to disclose her suspicions (and indeed her affair) with Patrick Quirke, remember Mary Lowry sought to meet this woman and met her at the filling station, and in great distress, Mary Lowry was advised to tell Gardaí what she knew and suspected this missing persons lady when Mary Lowry said she hadn't gone to the Gardaí (the missing persons woman rang her on the following Monday night to see if she had gone to the Gardaí) and when she hadnt, this woman said she telephoned the Gardaí herself, so you can bet your bottom dollar it was Mary Lowry who was arrested. They (Gardaí)probably didn't want people to think "oh maybe she is involved" (in the actual murder) Remember, this was the information that turned the "missing persons" case of Bobby Ryan into a murder trial, without this information the Gardaí had nothing to go on at all, I have followed this case since he went missing and I remember the woman being arrested and soon afterwards "a man" was arrested....they wouldn't arrest the "missing persons" woman as I am sure she verified whom she was etc. making the call and could be checked out easily...I doubt if Pat Quirkes wife would be arrested, why would she be arrested? She wasn't ever directly associated with any of the carry on...

Thats fierce confusing altogether- but I think I know what your getting at ...

Unless Mr. Q. had another love interest going on?

mikeymouse

finjoe wrote: »

It was either Mary Lowry or Mrs Quirke, don't mind the Gardaí not saying who it was, the missing persons lady, having rang Mary Lowry to see if she had gone to the Gardaí herself to disclose her suspicions (and indeed her affair) with Patrick Quirke, remember Mary Lowry sought to meet this woman and met her at the filling station, and in great distress, Mary Lowry was advised to tell Gardaí what she knew and suspected this missing persons lady when Mary Lowry said she hadn't gone to the Gardaí (the missing persons woman rang her on the following Monday night to see if she had gone to the Gardaí) and when she hadnt, this woman said she telephoned the Gardaí herself, so you can bet your bottom dollar it was Mary Lowry who was arrested. They (Gardaí)probably didn't want people to think "oh maybe she is involved" (in the actual murder) Remember, this was the information that turned the "missing persons" case of Bobby Ryan into a murder trial, without this information the Gardaí had nothing to go on at all, I have followed this case since he went missing and I remember the woman being arrested and soon afterwards "a man" was arrested....they wouldn't arrest the "missing persons" woman as I am sure she verified whom she was etc. making the call and could be checked out easily...I doubt if Pat Quirkes wife would be arrested, why would she be arrested? She wasn't ever directly associated with any of the carry on...

Is this "missing persons",lady the ex Ban Garda Catherine Costello

Edgware

mikeymouse wrote: »

Is this "missing persons",lady the ex Ban Garda Catherine Costello

Or maybe the A.I. bird

john9876

He's appealing the conviction

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/patrick-quirke-to-appeal-conviction-for-murder-of-bobby-ryan-38134046.html

4ensic15

john9876 wrote: »

He's appealing the conviction

Why wouldn't he?

Muahahaha

4ensic15 wrote: »

Why wouldn't he?

Might as well when you've got life, you've nothing to lose.

iirc the appeal will mainly be on the grounds that the judge allowed certain evidence into hearing that the defence will claim shouldnt have been. Given the things we now know about what wasn't allowed to be heard by the jury such as his burglary at the Lowry house and stealing knickers off her clothes line it is hard to see them getting much joy in the appeal. Time will tell.

Graham Dwyers appeal has still yet to come before the appeal court so Quirke will be also waiting for quite a while. iirc there is a serious backlog in the Court of Appeals at the moment and they need to recruit more judges which has been slow to happen

tipptom

finjoe wrote: »

It was either Mary Lowry or Mrs Quirke, don't mind the Gardaí not saying who it was, the missing persons lady, having rang Mary Lowry to see if she had gone to the Gardaí herself to disclose her suspicions (and indeed her affair) with Patrick Quirke, remember Mary Lowry sought to meet this woman and met her at the filling station, and in great distress, Mary Lowry was advised to tell Gardaí what she knew and suspected this missing persons lady when Mary Lowry said she hadn't gone to the Gardaí (the missing persons woman rang her on the following Monday night to see if she had gone to the Gardaí) and when she hadnt, this woman said she telephoned the Gardaí herself, so you can bet your bottom dollar it was Mary Lowry who was arrested. They (Gardaí)probably didn't want people to think "oh maybe she is involved" (in the actual murder) Remember, this was the information that turned the "missing persons" case of Bobby Ryan into a murder trial, without this information the Gardaí had nothing to go on at all, I have followed this case since he went missing and I remember the woman being arrested and soon afterwards "a man" was arrested....they wouldn't arrest the "missing persons" woman as I am sure she verified whom she was etc. making the call and could be checked out easily...I doubt if Pat Quirkes wife would be arrested, why would she be arrested? She wasn't ever directly associated with any of the carry on...

That missing persons woman didn't come across well to me.
She has turned up on every programme going and seemed to be a bit of a gossip who was enjoying the limelight imo.

Not sure if these people should be so free and easy with the media given the high profile cases they are involved in unless they are making appeals.

Edgware

tipptom wrote: »

That missing persons woman didn't come across well to me.
She has turned up on every programme going and seemed to be a bit of a gossip who was enjoying the limelight imo.

Not sure if these people should be so free and easy with the media given the high profile cases they are involved in unless they are making appeals.

Attention seeker

john9876

Who is the 'missing persons' woman?

freshpopcorn

john9876 wrote: »

Who is the 'missing persons' woman?

I think it was Catherine Costello!

tipptom

john9876 wrote: »

Who is the 'missing persons' woman?

They are a search and rescue group that I think is based in Co Clare and she was part of the search party for BR.

There was another man interviewed on the programme who seemed very cock sure that if they had of been asked to do a search on the farm that they would have discovered the third tank that BR was "discovered" in even if PQ would have told them that he only knew about two tanks like he told the Gardaí.

May be wrong but I think "missing persons woman"(I know it sound like a character from Twin Peaks) said on one of the programmes that she had a chat with friends and family about what ML had revealed to her about her affair with PQ.

The whole saga is like something out of Twin Peaks actually and would make a better plot than what David Lynch dreamed up second time around.

Dr Strange

tipptom wrote: »

They are a search and rescue group that I think is based in Co Clare and she was part of the search party for BR.

On the programme and in the newspapers the group was called 'Searching for the Missing' - however, there's no web presence or anything under that name. The actual group name of the people involved in the voluntary search was the Abbeyfeale District Search and Rescue group from County Limerick.

There's more info if you google them.

Muahahaha

Am I right to say that missing person lady is also an ex-Garda? Thought I read that somewhere. Definitely an element of Jessica Fletcher about her. And in fairness she got to the bottom of it, Mary Lowry wasnt going to the Gardai with that information until she more or less had her hand forced to do so.

mikeymouse

Muahahaha wrote: »

Am I right to say that missing person lady is also an ex-Garda? Thought I read that somewhere. Definitely an element of Jessica Fletcher about her. And in fairness she got to the bottom of it, Mary Lowry wasnt going to the Gardai with that information until she more or less had her hand forced to do so.

That's her all right,Mary Lowry asked to meet her and told her about affair with Quirke,but Lowry didn't go to the Gardai with it.
Instead Costello told the Gardai. The Gardai arrested a lady for withholding information.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/mary-was-hysterical-searcher-tells-loverival-murder-trial-37791531.html

g6fdyotp5nj2l7

mikeymouse wrote:

The Gardai arrested a lady for withholding information.

Who wasn't Mary Lowry going by the report I read.

Muahahaha

Muahahaha wrote: »

iirc the appeal will mainly be on the grounds that the judge allowed certain evidence into hearing that the defence will claim shouldnt have been.

I wonder if there's grounds based on "circumstantial evidence" - certainly Judges direction to jury can feature in such appeals - considering the weighting on "circumstantial evidence" over "smoking gun" evidence at this trial, it will be an interesting and tense day for all as the appeal judges give their answer.

Amina Old-fashioned Voter wrote: »

Who wasn't Mary Lowry going by the report I read.

And as I read also.

mikeymouse

Originally Posted by mikeymouse
The Gardai arrested a lady for withholding information.

Amina Old-fashioned Voter wrote: »

Who wasn't Mary Lowry going by the report I read.

Yes, I think you're right;
the lady arrested in June 2014 was reported as being 45 years old,
Mary Lowry would have been 48 at that time.

tipptom

Deleted User wrote: »

I wonder if there's grounds based on "circumstantial evidence" - certainly Judges direction to jury can feature in such appeals - considering the weighting on "circumstantial evidence" over "smoking gun" evidence at this trial, it will be an interesting and tense day for all as the appeal judges give their answer.




And as I read also.

Can the prosecution look to have evidence that was ruled out by the original judge to be included in the appeal?

Muahahaha

tipptom wrote: »

Can the prosecution look to have evidence that was ruled out by the original judge to be included in the appeal?

not 100% but I would doubt it. They could call a mistrial and then the judge on the second trial allows certain evidence that the first didn't.

realdanbreen

Was talking to a fella who works in Limerick prison and apparently the inmates blasted out 'dancing in the moonlight' when Patrick arrived!

BENDYBINN

One wonders if Patrick Quirke had the legal mind of Ian Bailey would he be in prison today..........doubt it very much..

4ensic15

BENDYBINN wrote: »

One wonders if Patrick Quirke had the legal mind of Ian Bailey would he be in prison today..........doubt it very much..

How has Ian bailey's legal mind kept him out of jaik?

g6fdyotp5nj2l7

BENDYBINN wrote:

One wonders if Patrick Quirke had the legal mind of Ian Bailey would he be in prison today..........doubt it very much..

I don't know but if the trial was in France twod be a lot shorter :-)

tipptom

tipptom wrote: »

Can the prosecution look to have evidence that was ruled out by the original judge to be included in the appeal?

No. They won't be hearing the case again or pursuing any counterfactual possibilities. They'll only concern themselves with whether the evidence as was heard in correct was fairly submitted.

Would be great if some legally qualified person could confirm this, but I don't think they can legally even come to "No fair jury would convict" conclusion.

Then again, they are the Supreme Court and nobody's going to tell them they can't do something, but they are bound by their own rules.

4ensic15

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

No. They won't be hearing the case again or pursuing any counterfactual possibilities. They'll only concern themselves with whether the evidence as was heard in correct was fairly submitted.

Would be great if some legally qualified person could confirm this, but I don't think they can legally even come to "No fair jury would convict" conclusion.

Then again, they are the Supreme Court and nobody's going to tell them they can't do something, but they are bound by their own rules.

The appeal won't be heard by the Supreme Court.

4ensic15

4ensic15 wrote: »

The appeal won't be heard by the Supreme Court.

Brain fart there. Of course, the Court of Criminal Appeal.

4ensic15

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Brain fart there. Of course, the Court of Criminal Appeal.

It won't be heard by the Court of Criminal Appeal either. Try again!

4ensic15

4ensic15 wrote: »

It won't be heard by the Court of Criminal Appeal either. Try again!

oh for Jaysis sake. You're really doing this?

Right, it's now just called the Court of Appeal. Apologies to everyone I misled

4ensic15

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

oh for Jaysis sake. You're really doing this?

Right, it's now just called the Court of Appeal. Apologies to everyone I misled

The Court of Appeal is not a re-named Court of Criminal Appeal. It is differently constituted.

4ensic15

4ensic15 wrote: »

The Court of Appeal is not a re-named Court of Criminal Appeal. It is differently constituted.

*turns to thread*

Sorry about this.

4ensic15

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

*turns to thread*

Sorry about this.

You have a lot to be sorry for.

realdanbreen

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

4ensic15 wrote: »

The appeal won't be heard by the Supreme Court.

Brain fart there. Of course, the Court of Criminal Appeal.

There's a guy in one of the horse racing forums who claims to hear fart noises in his head, ye're not related by any chance?

McCrack

4ensic15 wrote: »

You have a lot to be sorry for.

The old saying.. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing applies to certain posters

mikeymouse

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

*turns to thread*

Sorry about this.

Had a follow-through?

Electric Sheep

realdanbreen wrote: »

Was talking to a fella who works in Limerick prison and apparently the inmates blasted out 'dancing in the moonlight' when Patrick arrived!

The inmates are in charge of a PA system in the prison? How unusual.