Most ruined franchises by sequels (or prequels!)

RayCun

It's a good thing nobody ever made any sequels to Highlander.

Ipso

B_ecke_r wrote: »

ah lads, can't believe no one has mentioned Jaws 3D and the 4th one with the roaring shark

agree with most the others although I personally liked Star Wars 1, 2 and 3

they may not be of the quality of their predecessor but an enjoyable watch imo

Robocop is up there too - first one is a masterpiece - others.... nah

“I have never seen it (Jaws 4) but by all accounts it is terrible. However, I have seen the house that it built and it is terrific.“
Michael Caine

CrankyHaus

Horror franchises are in a different league entirely for awful sequels. Just two examples:

Halloween VIIII, funded by Yamaha, with Van Damme and Michael Myers in a jetski race.




Leprechaun in the Hood. Warwick Davis rapping in an Oirish accent about Dublin and the Cliffs of Moher.

Ipso

RayCun wrote: »

It's a good thing nobody ever made any sequels to Highlander.

Or Police Academy.

Ted 2.

We get to find out Ted's surname. Some fan tournament. Flash Gordon still does come.

El Duda

The Saw sequels are so bad that people have actually forgotten that the first one is good.

Hector Savage

I agree Indiana Jones 4 and Terminator Genisys are absolute dung heaps of films, but to say they ruin the franchise ?
Nah, the original IJ trilogy are still great films (particularly 1,3) 4 doesn't effect those films for me.

Same with Terminator, my take on Terminator franchise is T1,T2 ... that's it, that's where the story ends.

loyatemu

there's a difference between a film being a bad sequel (like Godfather III) and retrospectively ruining aspects of the original films. Highlander 2 is an example of the latter - it made a nonsense of the first film by revealing they were all aliens.

Kolido

Kolido wrote: »

Would agree with most opinions here. For franchises that have better sequels, I think some of the Fast and furious sequels have been better than the original, especailly in terms of all out action.
The Bond franchise also has gone up and down at certain times. The 2nd movie, from Russia with love probably being the best one imo.
The Dirty Harry series I would rate 1-5 in the order they were released, the first being the best obviously.

The last good Bond film was Goldeneye.

Kolido

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The last good Bond film was Goldeneye.

Casino Royale was very good I thought and Skyfall was decent.

loyatemu

loyatemu wrote: »

there's a difference between a film being a bad sequel (like Godfather III) and retrospectively ruining aspects of the original films. Highlander 2 is an example of the latter - it made a nonsense of the first film by revealing they were all aliens.

I got to agree here, or films which as a direct carry on from a previous film.
Matrix 2 was ok but a complete set up for 3 and that was sh1t, so ruins 2 also.

Which is why I hate non self-contained films, sure set up a sequel but close off your film as if another film is not assured

AMKC

The Mission impossible films have been up and down.

pixelburp

AMKC wrote: »

The Mission impossible films have been up and down.

I dunno, think only the John Woo film was the series' most demonstrable dip; Rogue Nation was so-so, but the rest are top drawer IMO

Dades

pixelburp wrote: »

I dunno, think only the John Woo film was the series' most demonstrable dip; Rogue Nation was so-so, but the rest are top drawer IMO

I agree. The only real dip was II. In fact Fallout is right up there with M:I.

Mantis Toboggan

El Duda wrote: »

The Saw sequels are so bad that people have actually forgotten that the first one is good.

Yes SAW 1 was an excellent movie but what followed right up until saw 6 and Jigsaw were muck.

Ravn

Hannibal rising was really poor and seems to have killed the film franchise. although it was really dropping off ever since the silence of the lambs.

TerrorFirmer

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Yes SAW 1 was an excellent movie but what followed right up until saw 6 and Jigsaw were muck.

Saw 2 and 3 are OK...ish. Saw 4 and 5 are terrible, 6 I thought was an improvement, Saw 3D was not as bad as 4 or 5...but then Jigsaw was absolute dung.

Standout disimprovements would be Terminator, Matrix, Star Wars prequels, Resident Evil, Alien (post Aliens), Transformers (except Bumblebee).

Some are major disimprovements but remain watchable (Matrix, Star Wars, Alien) others have turned into absolute stinkers (Resident Evil, Transformers).

Robocop is up there too - first one is a masterpiece - others.... nah

Robocop 2 is a great piece of OTT violent action cinema to be fair at least, and Robocop, the 2014 one, is surprisingly competent.

Robocop 3 was the one that should be scrubbed from history, along with some of those god awful TV movies.

Someone mentioned the Leprechaun movies.....Leprechaun 4: In Space is actually a masterpiece in bad filmmaking. It's 'The Room' levels of entertaining, and honestly is one of my favourite movies ever.

dresden8

OU812 wrote: »

1 Die Hard
2 Die Hard: With a vengeance
3 Die Hard: Die Harder
4 Die Hard: 16 Blocks (the almost unknown sequel where John McClane goes deep undercover as Detective Jack Mosley in another precinct to get a witness (Mos Def) 16 blocks to testify against corrupt cops in the force)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqffzRFzdco

That's all they made. There are no other Die Hard movies

The Fifth Element is one of the better Die Hard movies.

ballyargus

The good, the bad and the ugly surpassed both predecessors in the trilogy in terms of quality. Most franchises, as this thread has shown, a swift slide to sh*te

Rothko

Kolido wrote: »

Casino Royale was very good I thought and Skyfall was decent.

I think Casino Royale is the best installment in the whole series.

TheIrishGrover

Well, regarding The Matrix. While the sequels ARE drivel, the original is so strong that I think it holds up. Sure there was that laughably amateur and under-researched thing on BBC website which basically said it was a whole white-man's burden deal in that black people and women were relying on a white hetero saviour. Even though the part was offered to Will Smith and Sandra Bullock before Reeves. But the first movie is a action movie.

Highlander 2. While the first one is no classic it is a great 80's guilty pleasure with a killer soundtrack. The sequels..... Aliens? Mario Van-Peeples?

Thor: I enjoyed the first Thor for a good, fun movie. Great baddie, not taking itself too seriously. The second? Oh so so SO serious...... Thank GOD for the hilarious third!!!!!

As was said above: Godfather Part 3? No excuse....

Ghostbusters: While I never liked Ghostbusters 2 I enjoyed the reboot: "Guys, this is EXACTLY how I saw myself dying".

Predator: The first time I saw Predator was on a portable black-and-white TV in my brother's flat and.... as you can imagine, I was underwhelmed as I had heard so many good things about it. Now it's just freakin' awesome The sequels? Murtaugh and Gary Busey? Yeah...... No.

TheValeyard

Some films can be redeemed.

Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, a total shambles
Star Trek VI: The undiscovered Country, great film.


Also add, Total Recall reboot was pure muck.

Tired Gardener

The Descent, the sequel used the USA ending of the first film to justify its existence. It was utter crap, the first one was not bad, not amazing, but passable distraction.

Alien 3 killed the franchise, it was a good idea to go back to the roots of what made Alien so good, but it just didn't work.

Terminator 3, RoboCop 3, Hellraiser 3... bit of a pattern going on here.

The Hobbit Trilogy... like butter spread over too much toast. It has spoiled my appreciation of the LotR trilogy.

DrumSteve

dresden8 wrote: »

The Fifth Element is one of the better Die Hard movies.

That last one they set in Russia is genuinely one of the worst things I've ever seen.

CastorTroy

Well the prequel series to the last one is airing on Sky - Chernobyl

Tony EH

hgfj wrote: »

Godfather 3

First two movies were genius then came number 3. Very disappointing.

'The Godfather Part III' has a terrible reputation, but it's certainly not as bad a film as some people make it out to be, an absolutely wretched performance by Sofia Coppola notwithstanding.

magic_murph

The Hangover 2 & 3 - terrible. (First movies was decent in a bad kinda way)

Tony EH

As for ruined franchises (I hate that word now), I can only repeat the ones that gave already been mentioned, like Star Wars (prequels/sequels), Alien (Alien Resurrection - christ, WTF were they thinking), The Terminator (everything after the first one really), Jaws (after No.2), Die Hard (first one great, the rest rubbish), The Matrix (incredibly overrated first movie and awful ones after that).

But, I think the Planet of the Apes series got progressively worse with each entry. The original 1968 classic was great - still is - and even the sequel 'Beneath the Planet of the Apes' was fine. But, everything else after that was pretty poor, even if the third film was a relatively entertaining fish-out-of-water yarn. But, if there was a film that needed no sequel, it was that one.

saintsaltynuts

dresden8 wrote: »

The Fifth Element is one of the better Die Hard movies.

I think The Sixth Sense was more like a Die Hard movie.He was that Die Hard he was dead the whole film.

Dades

magic_murph wrote: »

The Hangover 2 & 3 - terrible. (First movies was decent in a bad kinda way)

I have a real liking for the second one. Part 3 was not good, though.