James McLean abuse

lawred2

cloudatlas wrote: »

There are morons everywhere. I don't agree with what he did though allowing NI youth team to spend money on him and to train him up when he always knew he wanted to play for the republic, a bit shady.

what's that got to do with anything?

seriously!?

you might come back and explain why you think that what you've posted bears any relevance to the OP? Other than it being about James McClean..

lawred2

steddyeddy wrote: »

To be fair the Good Friday agreement means that to some people anything Northern Irish can either Irish or British. That's the unfortunate reality of the place. It's not a big leap to go to the republic from Northern Ireland.

strange choice of phrase

steddyeddy

lawred2 wrote: »

strange choice of phrase

Well yes for some people it is an unfortunate reality that Northern Ireland can be viewed as Irish and an extension of the Republic. I should have clarified that I wouldn't be one of them.

cloudatlas

lawred2 wrote: »

what's that got to do with anything?

seriously!?

you might come back and explain why you think that what you've posted bears any relevance to the OP? Other than it being about James McClean..

I don't need your permission to have an opinion. Yes I feel sorry for him nobody should suffer abuse, you see that especially with the constant abuse suffered by black players playing for italian teams and it's abhorrent.

degrassinoel

gimli2112 wrote: »

It's strange that I think the odd thing about this was someone wrote him a letter rather than posting it online

part of the personal threat i'd guess was having it sent to his house rather than on twitter or whatnot

steddyeddy

I think the odd thing is an English nationalist using "Derry". I can't get over that. It makes sense though. English nationalists have a vague sense of British superiority but lack any real knowledge of history. In this case he/she reasons that McLean supports that IRA because he doesn't wear the poppy. They don't have the ability to look into it deeper. So I'd be surprised if he/she knows about the naming dispute for Derry or else they would have used it to provoke.

degrassinoel

degrassinoel wrote: »

part of the personal threat i'd guess was having it sent to his house rather than on twitter or whatnot

That would freak me out as well, that makes it a lot more personal than a twitter troll

steddyeddy wrote: »

I think the odd thing is an English nationalist using "Derry". I can't get over that. It makes sense though. English nationalists have a vague sense of British superiority but lack any real knowledge of history. In this case he/she reasons that McLean supports that IRA because he doesn't wear the poppy. They don't have the ability to look into it deeper. So I'd be surprised if he/she knows about the naming dispute for Derry or else they would have used it to provoke.

or, maybe, it wasn't an English nationalist at all.

Deebles McBeebles

The more things like this happen, the more I f*ckin love James McClean. Even if he does play football like a headless chicken.

steddyeddy

Aegir wrote: »

That would freak me out as well, that makes it a lot more personal than a twitter troll



or, maybe, it wasn't an English nationalist at all.

Well even weirder a Scottish Nationalist or Norther Irish loyalist!

steddyeddy

Aegir wrote: »

That would freak me out as well, that makes it a lot more personal than a twitter troll



or, maybe, it wasn't an English nationalist at all.

Personally I miss getting letters.

steddyeddy

steddyeddy wrote: »

Personally I miss getting letters.

it was nice when things came through the letter box that weren't bills.

Farawayhome

James McClean is a hero. He's proud to be Irish and is not afraid to show it. Doesn't go down well with xenophobes in Britain and sadly, with self loathers in Ireland.

Charles Ingles

The media will still attack him come poppy time

klaaaz

Aegir wrote: »

The difference is though Eddy, I don’t dislike Irish nationalism. Unfortunately, like nationalism everywhere, the often manifests itself into bigotry. That is what I despise.

Irish nationalism in the context of NI has been left wing. English nationalism like the Brexiteers is right wing. Know the difference.

klaaaz

klaaaz wrote: »

Irish nationalism in the context of NI has been left wing. English nationalism like the Brexiteers is right wing. Know the difference.

irrelevant

lawred2

cloudatlas wrote: »

I don't need your permission to have an opinion. Yes I feel sorry for him nobody should suffer abuse, you see that especially with the constant abuse suffered by black players playing for italian teams and it's abhorrent.

yeah but funny that you went with your own negative opinion on James McClean first eh!

cloudatlas

lawred2 wrote: »

yeah but funny that you went with your own negative opinion on James McClean first eh!

Ah you've got me now! Haha! The word order of a sentence, OF COURSE!

No I never agreed with the abuse.

SharpshooterTom

Your Face wrote: »

Anti-Irish racism doesn't matter, it's not fashionable enough.

Anti-Irish racism is rampant on Rangers forums. Its no exaggeration from my brief glimpses of both that stormfront Britain is less anti Irish than RFC forums.

I used to think it was a stereotype not wanting those of Irish catholic backgrounds to play for them, but I was shocked to read how much there still is significant proportion of their fanbase holds such views.

One of their top posters on Rangers Media forums for example is a poster called K.A.I with 28k posts.

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/profile/94653-kai/

boetstark

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Anti-Irish racism is rampant on Rangers forums. Its no exaggeration from my brief glimpses of both that stormfront Britain is less anti Irish than RFC forums.

I used to think it was a stereotype not wanting those of Irish catholic backgrounds to play for them, but I was shocked to read how much there still is significant proportion of their fanbase holds such views.

One of their top posters on Rangers Media forums for example is a poster called K.A.I with 28k posts.

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/profile/94653-kai/

I am a rangers fan and an Irishman. Been to ibrox and have a good few mates that are rangers fans. Never had any hassle.
Just my view the Irishman that gets fans hate are the IRA supporting terrorism glorifying yobs.
James mcclean is hated not just because of his stance on wearing a poppy
He should be entitled to not wear it but it's the crap he posts on social media. Eg on remembrance Sunday posting on Instagram a video of himself and his wife driving singing along to IRA songs.
Talentless moron.

OldMrBrennan83

boetstark wrote: »

I am a rangers fan and an Irishman. Been to ibrox and have a good few mates that are rangers fans. Never had any hassle.
Just my view the Irishman that gets fans hate are the IRA supporting terrorism glorifying yobs.
James mcclean is hated not just because of his stance on wearing a poppy
He should be entitled to not wear it but it's the crap he posts on social media. Eg on remembrance Sunday posting on Instagram a video of himself and his wife driving singing along to IRA songs.
Talentless moron.

If you're not a nordie with a token passport then you should just hand it in and leave.

_blaaz

boetstark wrote: »

Eg on remembrance Sunday posting on Instagram a video of himself and his wife driving singing along to IRA songs.
Talentless moron.

Tbf rangers fan sing about being up.to their neck in fenian blood and the famine song at likes of neil lennon and jeer all sorts around easter time



Their being very precious taking offence to a lad singing songs they disapprove of social media tbh

boetstark

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

If you're not a nordie with a token passport then you should just hand it in and leave.

Born in Southern Ireland. Why should I hand in my passport?

boetstark

_blaaz wrote: »

Tbf rangers fan sing about being up.to their neck in fenian blood and the famine song at likes of neil lennon and jeer all sorts around easter time



Their being very precious taking offence to a lad singing songs they disapprove of social media tbh

Look if you are a catholic I can see offense being taken with Billy boys song. But it is only a song being sung inside a football ground for 90 minutes. Also no issue with Celtic fans singing ira songs at matches. Forget about this nil by mouth malarky.
Now if somebody is singing these songs walking down the street or driving along , that would suggest a real bigot in my opinion.

tuxy

Is it really racism or is it really ethnic discrimination?
Irish is a nationality and ethnicity.
It looks like the people giving him abuse are the same race.......

Everyone on social media seems to have come to the conclusion that it's racism.
I have to admit I know so little about this, it could be a group of blacks or asians that have been giving him the worst abuse.

_blaaz

boetstark wrote: »

Look if you are a catholic I can see offense being taken with Billy boys song. But it is only a song being sung inside a football ground for 90 minutes. Also no issue with Celtic fans singing ira songs at matches. Forget about this nil by mouth malarky.
Now if somebody is singing these songs walking down the street or driving along , that would suggest a real bigot in my opinion.

You think they dont sing them.walking down the street or in pubs??


Either your deaf or you dont attend as many matches as you like to.imply


Ive no bother with anyone singing anything offensive what they want....but getting precious when someone sings something they dont approve of...lose their sh1t lolz



Edit:werent they caught singing the we hate roman catholics chant recently enough

dodderangler

boetstark wrote: »

I am a rangers fan and an Irishman. Been to ibrox and have a good few mates that are rangers fans. Never had any hassle.
Just my view the Irishman that gets fans hate are the IRA supporting terrorism glorifying yobs.
James mcclean is hated not just because of his stance on wearing a poppy
He should be entitled to not wear it but it's the crap he posts on social media. Eg on remembrance Sunday posting on Instagram a video of himself and his wife driving singing along to IRA songs.
Talentless moron.

Pîss off mate.
Playing the innocent blue nose. We know exactly what you lot sing about us. So don’t play victim. Perhaps if your precious Brit club weren’t part of a nation that overthrows countries and slaughtered millions then we would feel some pity for you. But we don’t. Ira responsible for possibly 1000 deaths? That was a slow week for brits in Ireland in the past!

OldMrBrennan83

boetstark wrote: »

Born in Southern Ireland. Why should I hand in my passport?

Because you shouldn't be supporting such an Irish hating club being from Munster, or anywhere in Ireland for that matter.

Fan of Netflix

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

Because you shouldn't be supporting such an Irish hating club being from Munster, or anywhere in Ireland for that matter.

I don't know anyone who calls here "Southern Ireland" that is actually Irish. Is Donegal "Southern Ireland". His posts look like that of an other loyalist/orange bigot.

OldMrBrennan83

He's already outed himself as one of those being a Rangers fan. Can't have one without the other.

dodderangler

tuxy wrote: »

Is it really racism or is it really ethnic discrimination?
Irish is a nationality and ethnicity.
It looks like the people giving him abuse are the same race.......

Everyone on social media seems to have come to the conclusion that it's racism.
I have to admit I know so little about this, it could be a group of blacks or asians that have been giving him the worst abuse.

You talk about race yet in same sentence you said group of blacks or Asian?
Black is race. Asian is not. Asians come in all colours.

Dravokivich

dodderangler wrote: »

Pîss off mate.
Playing the innocent blue nose. We know exactly what you lot sing about us. So don’t play victim. Perhaps if your precious Brit club weren’t part of a nation that overthrows countries and slaughtered millions then we would feel some pity for you. But we don’t. Ira responsible for possibly 1000 deaths? That was a slow week for brits in Ireland in the past!

Scotland?

OldMrBrennan83

Dravokivich wrote: »

Scotland?

Britain. There is no Scotland, they winced on that a few years ago.

tuxy

dodderangler wrote: »

You talk about race yet in same sentence you said group of blacks or Asian?
Black is race. Asian is not. Asians come in all colours.

Yes that's why I'm asking. I think all the different Asian races are a different race to McClean. Are they the main problem?
Since clearly caucasians are not giving him racial abuse but may be responsible for ethnic abuse.
Who is responsible for the racial abuse he is getting?

boetstark

_blaaz wrote: »

You think they dont sing them.walking down the street or in pubs??


Either your deaf or you dont attend as many matches as you like to.imply


Ive no bother with anyone singing anything offensive what they want....but getting precious when someone sings something they dont approve of...lose their sh1t lolz



Edit:werent they caught singing the we hate roman catholics chant recently enough

Never said I have been in ibrox loads. I have heard sectarian songs in Louden tavern . I do t have a problem with this as I have joined in with same.
I really dont believe that folk really believe on what they sing at football matches. If I were caught singing Billy boys walking down the street I should be arrested as it is in that context incitement to hatred

c.p.w.g.w

Sin City wrote: »

If this was a black player the PM would be up in arms

Some low life sent him a birthday card with the below written on it

https://twitter.com/JamesMcC_14/status/1123559068273082368





https://twitter.com/JamesMcC_14/status/1123559068273082368/photo/1

Best reply would be posting a Twitter post with his piles of money, and big grin

boetstark

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

I don't know anyone who calls here "Southern Ireland" that is actually Irish. Is Donegal "Southern Ireland". His posts look like that of an other loyalist/orange bigot.

What about a 2nd generation Irishman playing for an "Irish hating " club. Away for f#ck sake. Not happy unless feeling offended by somebody.

tuxy

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

I don't know anyone who calls here "Southern Ireland" that is actually Irish. Is Donegal "Southern Ireland". His posts look like that of an other loyalist/orange bigot.

I find it difficult to be critical of people getting the name of the state wrong when so many who live here incorrectly call it the Republic of Ireland.

Blinky Plebum

tuxy wrote: »

I find it difficult to be critical of people getting the name of the state wrong when so many who live here incorrectly call it the Republic of Ireland.

Very very few people living in Ireland actually refer to the country as the Republic of Ireland.

That term only gets used in the media sometimes when the soccer team are playing because stupidly it's still the official name of the team.

tuxy

Blinky Plebum wrote: »

Very very few people living in Ireland actually refer to the country as the Republic of Ireland.

That term only gets used when the soccer team are playing because stupidly it's still the official name of the team.

I hear it all the time outside the context of any sport.
For soccer it's fine since it is as you say the official name of our team.
Perhaps you keep better company
I've mentioned before about the republic of Ireland act causing all kinds of confusion but this is the wrong thread for that.

janfebmar

boetstark wrote: »

James mcclean is hated not just because of his stance on wearing a poppy
He should be entitled to not wear it but it's the crap he posts on social media. Eg on remembrance Sunday posting on Instagram a video of himself and his wife driving singing along to IRA songs.
Talentless moron.

He probably is not even aware the IRA murdered Gardai here in this state.

Grayson

Your Face wrote: »

Anti-Irish racism doesn't matter, it's not fashionable enough.

I don't think it's that. I think it's just that institutional racism against Irish people has lessened a hell of a lot.

That doesn't mean that the person who posted that letter isn't a fcuking neanderthal.

Mysterypunter

Nothing between the ears

Berserker

Heard him on the radio today. For a lad who wants nothing more than peace and quiet, he spends an awful lot of time posting controversial content online. I feel sorry for him, if I'm honest. It'd be great if he could embrace life outside the republican bubble and open his mind and heart to other cultures, like so many people from Londonderry/Derry have before him. Wasn't even born during the troubles! You'd swear he lived through them.

jaxxx

Just goes to show how completely ignorant some Brits are when it comes to anything and everything Ireland, Northern Ireland in particular! I've been over there many times and loved it there, met some wonderful people too. But when it comes to Ireland/Northern Ireland, it's baffling

As others have said though, he doesn't exactly help with some of the poop he posts on Twitter and so on.

janfebmar

jaxxx wrote: »

Just goes to show how completely ignorant some Brits are when it comes to anything and everything Ireland, Northern Ireland in particular! I've been over there many times and loved it there, met some wonderful people too. But when it comes to Ireland/Northern Ireland, it's baffling

Mysterypunter wrote: »

Nothing between the ears

McLean certainly, in singing the IRA songs on Remembrance Sunday, gives a bad impression of Ireland anyway. Nothing between the ears all right.

jaxxx

janfebmar wrote: »

McLean certainly, in singing the IRA songs on Remembrance Sunday, gives a bad impression of Ireland anyway. Nothing between the ears all right.

Ah but you're being unfair to the dust and cobwebs

OldMrBrennan83

janfebmar wrote: »

McLean certainly, in singing the IRA songs on Remembrance Sunday, gives a bad impression of Ireland anyway. Nothing between the ears all right.

So he should. That shower only 'remember' what they want to.

Odhinn

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

So he should. That shower only 'remember' what they want to.

What "shower" would that be?

OldMrBrennan83

Odhinn wrote: »

What "shower" would that be?

The Brits. As if you didn't know who I meant. Remembrance Sunday is a complete sham, s history rewriting session.

Galwayguy35

Berserker wrote: »

Heard him on the radio today. For a lad who wants nothing more than peace and quiet, he spends an awful lot of time posting controversial content online. I feel sorry for him, if I'm honest. It'd be great if he could embrace life outside the republican bubble and open his mind and heart to other cultures, like so many people from Daire/Derry have before him. Wasn't even born during the troubles! You'd swear he lived through them.

Fixed that for you.