Summer Transfer Superthread

TitianGerm

gimli2112 wrote: »

I don't understand it myself. Arsenal must have the cash and even if they didn't surely one of the billionaire owners could give them a loan and save the club and earn themselves a few million.
Of course this is probably why I'm stuck in an office and they're billionaires, well one of the reasons.

It's very common in larger businesses. The seller wants the money now, the buyer wants to pay later. The seller sells the debtor to a finance company at a discount and the finance company then takes the staged payment. Everyone is happy.

rob316

BullBlackNova wrote: »

With those two and Diallo, it almost looks like they are finally trying to address the glaring weaknesses in their side.

Not happy with that - I always enjoy the PSG group stage dominance in the CL and then the knockout collapse!!

Its not that great of pairing still, Herrera is the most overrated United player by the fans in recent times. Both are 30 soon, not exactly long term options in MF.

Potential Underachiever

Some funny stuff in the thread regards Palace and Everton!

PARlance

gimli2112 wrote: »

I don't understand it myself. Arsenal must have the cash and even if they didn't surely one of the billionaire owners could give them a loan and save the club and earn themselves a few million.
Of course this is probably why I'm stuck in an office and they're billionaires, well one of the reasons.

They do have the cash, one of the healthiest cash balances around at approx €250 million in their last set of accounts. Technically they could just pay the lump sum but in reality, the cost to spread it out over 5 years using factoring is relatively small and most people/businesses will spread the cost over an extended period if possible.

A director could give them a loan, but they would be subject to income tax on the interest. So, it wouldn't make much sense. There may be other rules prohibiting such loans.

5star02707

Mosie Keane to Everton
That could be the end on Zaha's pursuit?

TitianGerm

5star02707 wrote: »

Mosie Keane to Everton
That could be the end on Zaha's pursuit?

Definitely going to take a punt on him for FF now.

eagle eye

rob316 wrote:

Its not that great of pairing still, Herrera is the most overrated United player by the fans in recent times. Both are 30 soon, not exactly long term options in MF.

Well I'm not a United fan and imo Herrera is a class act. Couldn't understand why he was as left out so much, maybe because he is a box to box type player and some coaches don't like that.

eh i dunno

Kean apparently done to Everton for 29m

eagle eye

eh i dunno wrote:

Kean apparently done to Everton for 29m

Kean is no better than Calvert-Lewin. In fact I think DCL is better than him.

eh i dunno

eagle eye wrote: »

Kean is no better than Calvert-Lewin. In fact I think DCL is better than him.

Ya couldn't let me dream for 4 weeks could you? Even had him as my fantasy football triple captain. Say you told lads about santa when in junior infants

TitianGerm

eagle eye wrote: »

Kean is no better than Calvert-Lewin. In fact I think DCL is better than him.

He's a far better player than DCL. It's not even close.

GLaDOS

Kean has huge potential, could be a very clever transfer by Everton

ERG89

Nobody has seen enough of Kean to judge him that well yet. Played a few games at the U21 Euros & around a dozen games in Serie A.
Could be a shrewd signing or another lad who has his head ruined by Raiola.

eagle eye

TitianGerm wrote:

He's a far better player than DCL. It's not even close.

What are you basing that off of?

TitianGerm

ERG89 wrote: »

Nobody has seen enough of Kean to judge him that well yet. Played a few games at the U21 Euros & around a dozen games in Serie A.
Could be a shrewd signing or another lad who has his head ruined by Raiola.

He played 19 times for Verona the year before as well. Scored four times there.

He's a super talent and will do very well for Everton.

earlytobed

13 players in to QPR.
Total tranfer cost £0

TitianGerm

eagle eye wrote: »

What are you basing that off of?

I've watched him more than DCL. Really good touch and super turn of pace and close control. Think he's out scored DCL as well at a younger age.

Broke through in a team stacked with attacking talent as well so shows how highly rated he is.

thebaz

eagle eye wrote: »

Kean is no better than Calvert-Lewin. In fact I think DCL is better than him.

Calvert-Lewis is an excellent player , but his goal scoring ability at top level , is nowhere near whats needed - Everton badly need a goal scorer/striker - I think Calvert-Lewis future maybe out wide or midfielder , but certainly right now is no top level striker

TitianGerm

thebaz wrote: »

Calvert-Lewis is an excellent player , but his goal scoring ability at top level , is nowhere near whats needed - Everton badly need a goal scorer/striker - I think Calvert-Lewis future maybe out wide or midfielder , but certainly right now is no top level striker

If Kean plays through the middle for ye I'd be very surprised if he scores less than 15 goals in the league this season. He should link up very well with Digne, Sigurdson and Richarlison.

titan18

TitianGerm wrote:

If Kean plays through the middle for ye I'd be very surprised if he scores less than 15 goals in the league this season. He should link up very well with Digne, Sigurdson and Richarlison.

Will be interesting if Everton take Zaha. A front 3 of Zaha, Richarlison and Keane is very interchangeable.

TitianGerm

titan18 wrote: »

Will be interesting if Everton take Zaha. A front 3 of Zaha, Richarlison and Keane is very interchangeable.

I'd say it's more likely Zaha or Kean. Can't see them spending over £100m to get both in.

PinotNero

Patrick Cutrone joins Wolves for £16m

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/49169634

~Rebel~

thebaz wrote: »

Calvert-Lewis is an excellent player , but his goal scoring ability at top level , is nowhere near whats needed - Everton badly need a goal scorer/striker - I think Calvert-Lewis future maybe out wide or midfielder , but certainly right now is no top level striker

Yeah - think Calvert-Lewin is perhaps a better all round player, but from everything i've seen of Kean (not tonnes, but still 6 or 7 matches), he looks a better striker. Especially how quickly he shifts from receiving the ball to finding space to shoot - there's no faffing about, everything he does seems to be geared towards having as little time as possible between his first touch, and a shot on goal. Gets the ball on target a lot too. Reminds me a little bit of Rooney when he was just starting out actually, just single minded and ruthless.

thebaz

TitianGerm wrote: »

I'd say it's more likely Zaha or Kean. Can't see them spending over £100m to get both in.

Rumours were that it was both - apparently stalling on Zaha now - Evertons finances are weird , we're supposedly building a new stadium, but full funding not in place, and ther are many other clubs with wealthier owners than what we have in place.

TitianGerm

thebaz wrote: »

Rumours were that it was both - apparently stalling on Zaha now - Evertons finances are weird , we're supposedly building a new stadium, but full funding not in place, and ther are many other clubs with wealthier owners than what we have in place.

You spent quite a bit on Richarlison last summer so that's why I was thinking you wouldn't get Kean and Zaha this summer and use the extra to pick up a CB instead.

titan18

pablo128 wrote:

Dirty bastards. I genuinely hope they are dealt with before the Gardai catch them.

TitianGerm wrote:

You spent quite a bit on Richarlison last summer so that's why I was thinking you wouldn't get Kean and Zaha this summer and use the extra to pick up a CB instead.

Got decent money for Gueye, Vlasic and Lookman. Even with Kean, they're breaking even this summer so should still have money to spend.

TitianGerm

titan18 wrote: »

Got decent money for Gueye, Vlasic and Lookman. Even with Kean, they're breaking even this summer so should still have money to spend.

Where the hell did you quote Pablo from :pac:

TitianGerm

United look to have Dybala in for Lukaku. Good swap for United but the only thing I'd question is if Dybala really wants this move?

If yes then he'll do super in that number 10 role, adding goals and assists, but if he's been told to take it or leave it, you get someone who doesn't really want to be there, ala Di Maria.

Definitely worth the risk I think.

Him coming in probably puts an end to the Fernandes rumours though. His best position is at number 10 as well.

Who would United fans rather? I think Dybala is the safer bet. Played with the bigger team, more CL experience and more good seasons in the top flight than Fernandes.

Lucas Hood

Tom Heaton off to Villa for 8m.

Officer999

TitianGerm wrote: »

United look to have Dybala in for Lukaku. Good swap for United but the only thing I'd question is if Dybala really wants this move?

If yes then he'll do super in that number 10 role, adding goals and assists, but if he's been told to take it or leave it, you get someone who doesn't really want to be there, ala Di Maria.

Definitely worth the risk I think.

Him coming in probably puts an end to the Fernandes rumours though. His best position is at number 10 as well.

Who would United fans rather? I think Dybala is the safer bet. Played with the bigger team, more CL experience and more good seasons in the top flight than Fernandes.

Still don’t see this deal getting over the line. Too many variables....the main one being Ed Woodward

TitianGerm

Officer999 wrote: »

Still don’t see this deal getting over the line. Too many variables....the main one being Ed Woodward

Apparently everything is agreed and it's down to Dybala now, who wants to speak to Sarri to confirm he's not in his plans before signing.

I'd say it'll be done before the weekend.

Baggly

TitianGerm wrote: »

Who would United fans rather? I think Dybala is the safer bet. Played with the bigger team, more CL experience and more good seasons in the top flight than Fernandes.

Not a United fan but.....something always lacking in Dybala when ive seen him in the CL.

The price is right i guess, so maybe its the better deal if its a swap; but Fernandes' stats from last season are something else.

rob316

They'd be better off getting a centre back than splurging on attack. The worst defence last season in the top 6.
Someone to start with Lindelof and replace matic should be their priority. If they don't buy right they'll end up sacking ole and the next manager will end up with more players who don't fit his philosophy.

Baggly

Who? United? They probably need both in fairness.

TitianGerm

rob316 wrote: »

They'd be better off getting a centre back than splurging on attack. The worst defence last season in the top 6.

I'd say Maguire will be in as well.

I do think their front line looks a lot better as

Lukaku
Sanchez/Martial - Dybala - Rashford

Than

Rashford
Sanchez/Martial - Dybala - Mata?

Edit: if they could keep Lukaku and get Dybala they'd be very well set up for the front 4.

Cookiemunster

rob316 wrote: »

They'd be better off getting a centre back than splurging on attack. The worst defence last season in the top 6.

And the worst attack of the top 6. Problems at both ends need to be sorted.

duffman13

rob316 wrote: »

They'd be better off getting a centre back than splurging on attack. The worst defence last season in the top 6.

I think most Utd fans agree with the need for a CB but Dybala/Fernandes and a RW are also required. We've a lot of rebuilding to be doing. AWB looks like a great signing from preseason so that's on problem position tackled but we definitely need a CB aswell. I dont see us not signing Maguire at this point

duffman13

TitianGerm wrote: »

I'd say Maguire will be in as well.

I do think their front line looks a lot better as

Lukaku
Sanchez/Martial - Dybala - Rashford

Than

Rashford
Sanchez/Martial - Dybala - Mata?

Sanchez is is shot but neither of Martial or Rashford have looked good on the right. Dybala could and can play there. But there is a glaring hole still on the RW

rob316

There's a danger in trying to solve too much at once. A good centre back and defensive midfielder would give Pogba and the attack alot more freedom to move forward. Get back in the top 4 and go from there.

duffman13

rob316 wrote: »

There's a danger in trying to solve too much at once. A good centre back and defensive midfielder would give Pogba and the attack alot more freedom to move forward. Get back in the top 4 and go from there.

Id agree but Lukaku wants out so we do need some reinforcements up the pitch we aren't flush in resources. The concern is CB. The club won't sign a holding midfielder with Matic and McTominay at the moment. Matic has maybe one more good season in him, well hopefully anyway

hufpc8w3adnk65

TitianGerm wrote: »

United look to have Dybala in for Lukaku. Good swap for United but the only thing I'd question is if Dybala really wants this move?

If yes then he'll do super in that number 10 role, adding goals and assists, but if he's been told to take it or leave it, you get someone who doesn't really want to be there, ala Di Maria.

Definitely worth the risk I think.

Him coming in probably puts an end to the Fernandes rumours though. His best position is at number 10 as well.

Who would United fans rather? I think Dybala is the safer bet. Played with the bigger team, more CL experience and more good seasons in the top flight than Fernandes.

Dybala plays on the right wing not as a 10

TitianGerm

MrMac84 wrote: »

Dybala plays on the right wing not as a 10

No he's played most often behind the striker, and that's where he's best.

If Ole continues with the 4-2-3-1 formation it's most likely he'll slot in in the middle of the 3. Pushed up closer to Rashford when in possession and dropping a bit deeper to offer an out ball from the defensive unit when not in possession.

BullBlackNova

Juve's business has been strange this summer. I know they need to get rid of players for FFP, so that might explain why Kean has gone, especially if there's a buy back included.

But swapping Dybala for Lukaku makes very little sense. I mean, for one, Lukaku and Ronaldo are both going to want to play through the centre so does one of them have to shift?

Selling Dybala for cash would have made more sense if it was an FFP decision too.

Looking at their squad, you'd imagine they'd have gotten decent money and freed up wages if they dropped Mandzukic, Higuain and Cuadrado, as well as shifting one or two of the centre mids. Adding Ramsey and Rabiot on big wages to Can, Pjanic, Khedira, Matuidi and Bentancur doesn't make any bloody sense...

Scorpion Sting

BullBlackNova wrote: »

Selling Dybala for cash would have made more sense if it was an FFP decision too.

Looking at their squad, you'd imagine they'd have gotten decent money and freed up wages if they dropped Mandzukic, Higuain and Cuadrado, as well as shifting one or two of the centre mids. Adding Ramsey and Rabiot on big wages to Can, Pjanic, Khedira, Matuidi and Bentancur doesn't make any bloody sense...

They’re getting rid of Khedira and there are rumours about Matuidi leaving as well.

hufpc8w3adnk65

TitianGerm wrote: »

No he's played most often behind the striker, and that's where he's best.

If Ole continues with the 4-2-3-1 formation it's most likely he'll slot in in the middle of the 3. Pushed up closer to Rashford when in possession and dropping a bit deeper to offer an out ball from the defensive unit when not in possession.

Ok

TitianGerm

MrMac84 wrote: »

Ok

And? Right footed player drifting to the right during the game into areas of space.

A right winger would be closer to the touch line with his higher volume of touches.

He plays/starts the games in the second striker role most of the time.

Scorpion Sting

TitianGerm wrote: »

And? Right footed player drifting to the right during the game into areas of space.

He plays/starts the games in the second striker role most of the time.

He is left footed.

TitianGerm

Scorpion Sting wrote: »

He is left footed.

What :eek: I always thought he was right footed!!

ERG89

Would be a good deal for United if Dybala gets back his form as he has struggled since Ronaldo showed up. Having Lukaku and Higuain together at Juve tho.....yeesh, if they ain't playing they could both pile on the weight. As backups or partners for Ronaldo it's quite the departure. Only Mandzukic linked up well with him.
It's funny like Real & Barcelona that Juve have struggled to get rid of players they clearly don't want anymore so it has effected their transfer business.

gimli2112

ERG89 wrote: »

Would be a good deal for United if Dybala gets back his form as he has struggled since Ronaldo showed up. Having Lukaku and Higuain together at Juve tho.....yeesh, if they ain't playing they could both pile on the weight. As backups or partners for Ronaldo it's quite the departure. Only Mandzukic linked up well with him.
It's funny like Real & Barcelona that Juve have struggled to get rid of players they clearly don't want anymore so it has effected their transfer business.

that's a real feature for me of this transfer window. Liverpool are cleverly avoiding this by not signing anyone.
When you think of the wages involved with the likes of Bale, Coutinho (and the seven other players Barce don't want), Dybala etc it's a staggering waste of funds.