Summer Transfer Superthread

ERG89

noodler wrote:

Especially given the neymar and , VVD and cout madness

Van Dijk proved he was worth that price, don't compare him to those other 2 who haven't came close to that.

Agent Coulson

Is VVD the only huge money £70+ signing in the last couple of years to actually back up the price tag on the pitch?

Pogba
Dembele
Coutinho
Neymar
Lukaku

All didn’t live up to the hype of their price tag.


Oh Mbappe would be deemed at success too.

Harry Palmr

Mbappe plays in France though.

the whole year inn

ERG89 wrote: »

Van Dijk proved he was worth that price, don't compare him to those other 2 who haven't came close to that.

Neymar is world class!!

Harry Palmr

He plays in France.

Agent Coulson

And he doesn't play well there to be honest he just parties.


Neymar is World Class when he wants to be however he hasn't been World Class since moving to France.

MD1990

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/48539129

James joining Man Utd. Could be a shrewd move. Very quick & direct. Works hard too.

Harry Palmr

The start of a brave new world of Buy British by an ex player who returned to rescue a season and then got the job permanently.

AdamD

Agent Coulson wrote: »

And he doesn't play well there to be honest he just parties.


Neymar is World Class when he wants to be however he hasn't been World Class since moving to France.

Absolute nonsense tbh

I don't like him but he is a brilliant player and is consistent for PSG. Big part of their issues in the CL is injuries to Neymar at unfortunate times.

noodler

ERG89 wrote: »

Van Dijk proved he was worth that price, don't compare him to those other 2 who haven't came close to that.

I'll do what I like!

The main comparison was each of the examples with Hazard tho.

As supreme as VVD is, 75m for him versus 88m for a rare attacking talent like Hazard who has won it all still seems a bit off.

The idea isn't to denegrate VVD' performances since he joined.

HalloweenJack

AdamD wrote: »

I don't like him but he is a brilliant player and is consistent for PSG. Big part of their issues in the CL is injuries to Neymar at unfortunate times.

Always manages to get injured around his sis' birthday in mid-February, too.

lassykk

noodler wrote: »

I'll do what I like!

The main comparison was each of the examples with Hazard tho.

As supreme as VVD is, 75m for him versus 88m for a rare attacking talent like Hazard who has won it all still seems a bit off.

The idea isn't to denegrate VVD' performances since he joined.

I would disagree strongly here. The rarity of a defender of VVD's quality is almost as rare as Hazard's attacking ability. We're not talking about Ronaldo or Messi here.

Also, how has Hazard "won it all"? He hasn't won the Champions League and he hasn't won anything at international level. OK he's won 2 premier leagues and 2 Europa leagues but I can't see how that's winning it all.

LuckyGent88

HalloweenJack wrote: »

Always manages to get injured around his sis' birthday in mid-February, too.

Carnival time in Rio

TitianGerm

noodler wrote: »

I'll do what I like!

The main comparison was each of the examples with Hazard tho.

As supreme as VVD is, 75m for him versus 88m for a rare attacking talent like Hazard who has won it all still seems a bit off.

The idea isn't to denegrate VVD' performances since he joined.

Hazard hasn't won a Champions League has he? Thought he joined the year after?

Vicxas

TitianGerm wrote: »

Hazard hasn't won a Champions League has he? Thought he joined the year after?

He joined after they won in 2012

noodler

lassykk wrote: »

I would disagree strongly here. The rarity of a defender of VVD's quality is almost as rare as Hazard's attacking ability. We're not talking about Ronaldo or Messi here.
.

I mean disagree all you want of course but typically transfer fees would bear it out that creative players command higher frees than defenders.

Were not talking Messi or Ronaldo bit we are talking the level just below.

the whole year inn

noodler wrote: »

I mean disagree all you want of course but typically transfer fees would bear it out that creative players command higher frees than defenders.

Were not talking Messi or Ronaldo bit we are talking the level just below.

With Hazard gone, what happens to Eirksun now?

noodler

the whole year inn wrote: »

With Hazard gone, what happens to Eirksun now?

Although different players, Id still be surprised to see Real spend another 80m on Erikson having seemingly landed Hazard.

Maybe he stays.

It's not a bad option.

Spurs are a draw and should strengthen.

Weepsie

Van Dijk had a 4.5 years on his contract. Was instantly one of the best players, not just defenders, but players in the league. The team he left were definitely worse off without him and the team he joined were infinitely better when he went. He was 2 years younger too.

Hazard has a year left on his contract, has a club that are in a bit of a mess despite their footballing success and has in the past just downed tools when it suited him, though he at least admitted this and said it was unprofessional. Chelsea did well here, however, I don't think Pulisic is going to be much a replacement.

Dickerty

noodler wrote: »

Although different players, Id still be surprised to see Real spend another 80m on Erikson having seemingly landed Hazard.

Maybe Erikson to Bayern? They need something else to complete in Europe, haven't had a playmaker in some time, always rely on the wings, and both Robben & Robery are being replaced over time. James is leaving so they have room for another attacker...

Dickerty

The last 3 or 4 summers have been fascinating in terms of what the top 7 PL teams do.

City will invest again, a few players who are not playing may decided that a playing career is better than money & medals for nothing.
Liverpool won't do much, replace back LB and another attacker after releasing Sturridge and Moreno. I think they'll be happy if they keep all the stars, and let Keita, Gomez, Fab and Shaq blend in even more. Ox is back and Lallana will leave.
Chelsea have to replace Hazard and Sarri and have a transfer ban. So I think they will just look to play their kids/loanees more and survive...
Spurs got to a CL final, but are well short in the league. They potentially need 4/5 new starters in the next 2 years if they are to compete, but key that they keep Poch.
Arsenal need so much work, but can build on the front two, a good keeper and sple good kids coming through. They need to cut Ozil loose and invest to replace him and Ramsey, and a new CB!
United are another mess, hard to know where to start. I think they'll look to steal from teams around them (Wolves/Neves, Leicester/Vardy or Madison, West Ham/Rice) with big offers, less from abroad as Fred, Pereida, Dalot have not settled well.

yourdeadwright

noodler wrote: »

Although different players, Id still be surprised to see Real spend another 80m on Erikson having seemingly landed Hazard.

Maybe he stays.

It's not a bad option.

Spurs are a draw and should strengthen.

Wouldn't be surprised if Madrid show interest but say they can't agree a fee with Sours, So Erikson stays and joins them for free next summer

j8wk2feszrnpao

noodler wrote: »

Especially given the neymar and , VVD and cout madness

That fluffy of transfers was with a country’s oil money.
It’s a very good price for a guy who wants out and will be 29yrs old next Jan.
Chelsea can earn a few million more on bank interest until they can sign someone.

MD1990

im not sure it is a great deal for Chelsea. They are spending money poorly.

Morata - 60m
Bakayoko - 40m
Kepa - 75m - Good GK but not world class.
Pulisic - 58m
Jorginho - 50m - Good player but too slow in the PL.

I think Chelsea could be better off trying to bring through some of there younger players.

yourdeadwright

noodler wrote: »

Spose I just thought the most talented player in the league would get a slightly higher price despite the contract situation.

Especially given the neymar and , VVD and cout madness

100 million for Pogba started the madness of non world class players being mental money ,

charolais0153

yourdeadwright wrote: »

100 million for Pogba started the madness of non world class players being mental money ,

Bale could be argued as overpriced , Pogba was meant to transform that utd team, he’s the cherry on top rather than a player to build around

lassykk

munstermagic11 wrote: »

That fluffy of transfers was with a country’s oil money.
It’s a very good price for a guy who wants out and will be 29yrs old next Jan.
Chelsea can earn a few million more on bank interest until they can sign someone.

Off topic but those days are long gone I'm afraid. Interest rates are rock bottom and some financial institutions charge you instead of paying interest on large deposits.

noodler

charolais0153 wrote: »

Bale could be argued as overpriced , Pogba was meant to transform that utd team, he’s the cherry on top rather than a player to build around

I think Bale has won four CLs and scored in three CL finals.

Cherry picking my stats there but I don't think he was overpriced.

Harry Palmr

There's some stuff on the twitter machine overnight - esp Rashford to Barca as a plan B (plan E surely?).

Neymar to Barca/Coutinho away from Barca - the obvious swap/cash
Buffon to Barca/Fener
Nicolas Pepe to Man Utd (maybe Liverpool)
Bruno Fernandes to Man Utd (maybe Spurs)

yourdeadwright

Harry Palmr wrote: »

There's some stuff on the twitter machine overnight - esp Rashford to Barca as a plan B (plan E surely?).

Neymar to Barca/Coutinho away from Barca - the obvious swap/cash
Buffon to Barca/Fener
Nicolas Pepe to Man Utd (maybe Liverpool)
Bruno Fernandes to Man Utd (maybe Spurs)

Rashford to Barca make me laugh no club is paying 100 million for Rashford lets be serious ,

yourdeadwright

Nice pay hike for Daniel James according to the paper's this morning , 15 times the money he was on at Swansea

"Daniel James set for huge pay hike when he completes £17m move to Man United... with his wages to soar from £4,000 to £67,000-a-week"

MD1990

another player gone to Man Utd for the money

yourdeadwright

MD1990 wrote: »

another player gone to Man Utd for the money

Ah to be fair he'd have probably joined for the same wages he was on at Swansea,

He could turn out to be the next Bale or not but either way the lad should be finically set for life now so fair play to him , Think his dad died recently so that's a nice boost for the whole family,

Cookiemunster

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Nice pay hike for Daniel James according to the paper's this morning , 15 times the money he was on at Swansea

"Daniel James set for huge pay hike when he completes £17m move to Man United... with his wages to soar from £4,000 to £67,000-a-week"

According to the Daily Fail. The other red tops are all quoting them. None of the broadsheets are running with it. Therefore I call BS.

LuckyLloyd

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Nice pay hike for Daniel James according to the paper's this morning , 15 times the money he was on at Swansea

"Daniel James set for huge pay hike when he completes £17m move to Man United... with his wages to soar from £4,000 to £67,000-a-week"

He’ll make ~£9m in base salary so over five years. Plus he’ll have additional money coming in on top of that so. Should be set for life!

ERG89

yourdeadwright wrote:

"Daniel James set for huge pay hike when he completes £17m move to Man United... with his wages to soar from £4,000 to £67,000-a-week"

If you ain't earning 60k p/w playing in the premier league you need a new agent tbh.

Better put a bit of actual news here

https://twitter.com/GFFN/status/1136916022840176641?s=19

Harry Palmr

Is it me or are there an infeasibly large number of bluffers playing the game now?

AdamD

Pretty standard wage I would have thought. Doubt many clubs in the PL would be offering him less

ERG89

Harry Palmr wrote:

Is it me or are there an infeasibly large number of bluffers playing the game now?

So much money in football now with fees, wages, agents & a lot behind the scenes that it all trickles down.

AdamD

AdamD wrote: »

Pretty standard wage I would have thought. Doubt many clubs in the PL would be offering him less

Correct

Joe Gomez is 22 as one example
He earns 75,000

Fairly standard for an English professional

TitianGerm

Fred The Red wrote: »

Correct

Joe Gomez is 22 as one example
He earns 75,000

Fairly standard for an English professional

Gomez was only earning around 25/30k a week up until December when he signed his new contract.

He was given a pay raise after a excellent run in the team where he established himself as VVD partner.

TitianGerm

TitianGerm wrote: »

Gomez was only earning around 25/30k a week up until December when he signed his new contract.

He was given a pay raise after a excellent run in the team where he established himself as VVD partner.

What's that got to do with my point in response to AdamdD?

TitianGerm

Fred The Red wrote: »

What's that got to do with my point in response to AdamdD?

Well the difference is Gomez was earning well below what James is been given now. He earned his salary with excellent performances.

Very few clubs would offer James the money United have.

A better comparison would have been Harry Wilson. Similar experience and he's reported to be getting paid less than £15k a week and he only signed a new contract before going on loan to Derby.

Brooks at Bournemouth is on £20k, Guendozi is on £40k, AWB is on £20k, TAA is on £50k. Wouldn't imagine Odi is on more than £20k?

For Adam to say every PL club would have offered him similar is ludicrous.

TitianGerm

TitianGerm wrote: »

Well the difference is Gomez was earning well below what James is been given now. He earned his salary with excellent performances.

Very few clubs would offer James the money United have.

A better comparison would have been Harry Wilson. Similar experience and he's reported to be getting paid less than £15k a week and he only signed a new contract before going on loan to Derby.

Brooks at Bournemouth is on £20k, Guendozi is on £40k, AWB is on £20k, TAA is on £50k. Wouldn't imagine Odi is on more than £20k?

For Adam to say every PL club would have offered him similar is ludicrous.

Gomez signed for Liverpool in 2015 from Charlton Athletic when he barley turned 18. His contract, the club he came from and price at the time based on his age and the year were on point.
Again your point is irrelevant in the current market. Especially considering how James is a highly rated young player in the year 2019.
James is 21 also. Not just turning 18.

Also contradicting yourself by mentioning Harry Wilson and trying to use the same logic and apply it to Gomez.

ThunbergsAreGo

Fred The Red wrote: »

Gomez signed for Liverpool in 2015 from Charlton Athletic when he barley turned 18. His contract, the club he came from and price at the time based on his age and the year were on point.
Again your point is irrelevant in the current market. Especially considering how James is a highly rated young player in the year 2019.
James is 21 also. Not just turning 18.

Maddison is on 55k I think at Leicester. As a comparison, he was also bought from the Championship after a slightly better season

I think James is being a bit overpaid at 67k but 1) there is a United Tax 2) it likely has a load of add ons and bonuses built in which are being included

Utopia Parkway

Fred The Red wrote: »

Correct

Joe Gomez is 22 as one example
He earns 75,000

Fairly standard for an English professional

Gomez is an England international though and has been playing in the PL since 2015. And is on his second contract.

Not sure I get the comparison. A few years ago maybe.

naughtb4

naughtb4 wrote: »

Maddison is on 55k I think at Leicester. As a comparison, he was also bought from the Championship after a slightly better season

I think James is being a bit overpaid at 67k but 1) there is a United Tax 2) it likely has a load of add ons and bonuses built in which are being included

Fairly close if the report for James is using add ones to bump the value up and the other for Maddison is not but it's fairly standard when Utd are in the news.

This is a much better point.

TitianGerm

Fred The Red wrote: »

Gomez signed for Liverpool in 2015 from Charlton Athletic when he barley turned 18. His contract, the club he came from and price at the time based on his age and the year were on point.
Again your point is irrelevant in the current market. Especially considering how James is a highly rated young player in the year 2019.
James is 21 also. Not just turning 18.

Why refer to Gomez current contract then? He only got his pay rise in December and there's no way Liverpool would have him the current salary if he just signed from Charlton.

Why not compare James to similar new players in the league?

A better comparison would have been Harry Wilson. Similar experience and he's reported to be getting paid less than £15k a week and he only signed a new contract before going on loan to Derby.

Brooks at Bournemouth is on £20k, Guendozi is on £40k, AWB is on £20k, TAA is on £50k. Wouldn't imagine Odi is on more than £20k?

Why would James be worth more than any of those?

The original point Adam made was James would get £65k per week off most of the PL clubs. I highly doubt that to be true.

yourdeadwright

TitianGerm wrote: »

Why refer to Gomez current contract then? He only got his pay rise in December and there's no way Liverpool would have him the current salary if he just signed from Charlton.

Why not compare James to similar new players in the league?

A better comparison would have been Harry Wilson. Similar experience and he's reported to be getting paid less than £15k a week and he only signed a new contract before going on loan to Derby.

Brooks at Bournemouth is on £20k, Guendozi is on £40k, AWB is on £20k, TAA is on £50k. Wouldn't imagine Odi is on more than £20k?

Why would James be worth more than any of those?

The original point Adam made was James would get £65k per week off most of the PL clubs. I highly doubt that to be true.

Gomez is a really bad comparison ,
Has played 66 games for Liverpool and is a full England international and just signed a new contract ,

Maddison is better comparison but he had 95 league games under his belt with 20 goals and in the championship team of the season and also Norwich player of the year ,


Only time will tell on James but he certainly hit the jackpot finically

TitianGerm

TitianGerm wrote: »

Why refer to Gomez current contract then? He only got his pay rise in December and there's no way Liverpool would have him the current salary if he just signed from Charlton.

Why not compare James to similar new players in the league?

A better comparison would have been Harry Wilson. Similar experience and he's reported to be getting paid less than £15k a week and he only signed a new contract before going on loan to Derby.

Brooks at Bournemouth is on £20k, Guendozi is on £40k, AWB is on £20k, TAA is on £50k. Wouldn't imagine Odi is on more than £20k?

Why would James be worth more than any of those?

The original point Adam made was James would get £65k per week off most of the PL clubs. I highly doubt that to be true.

I disagree.