Teachers in Florida to be permitted to carry guns

Fiery mutant

Are the lunatics running the asylum now?

Teachers in Florida are to be allowed carry guns into the classroom, under new laws which are going to approval of the governor in Florida. Apparently the best way to keep guns out of schools, is to bring them in apparently.

I really don’t know where the world is going when I read stuff like this. I thought humanity was making steps towards peace and enlightenment, but the last few years the whole place is going to **** altogether. There is no ****ing way I would allow my kids into a school where the teachers carry guns, not under any circumstances.

The USA has its issues with gun control, but surely there is no coherent argument anyone can make for this, is there?

I weep for the future.

https://www.thejournal.ie/florida-approves-bill-allowing-teachers-to-be-armed-4616210-May2019/

biko

Apparently the best way to keep guns out of schools, is to bring them in apparently.

If your own children attended a school, would you rather have the teachers armed or not?

Fiery mutant

biko wrote: »

If your own children attended a school, would you rather have the teachers armed or not?

“There is no ****ing way I would allow my kids into a school where the teachers carry guns, not under any circumstances.”

frag420

biko wrote: »

If your own children attended a school, would you rather have the teachers armed or not?

Fook no, what the hell are you smoking?

Just to add that teaching is one of the most stressful jobs out there, you really want someone under daily stress to be carrying a gun in the vicinity of your child, really?

is_that_so

biko wrote: »

If your own children attended a school, would you rather have the teachers armed or not?

Not, you'd like to think the school has an effective security set-up to keep everyone safe.

Fr_Dougal

The students should be armed too, in case a teacher goes rogue.

racso1975

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Irish Guitarist

Shocking news. Who would have ever expected Americans to come up with something so insane? There's really no precedent for it.

Mickeroo

Yeah well, when Florida Man is wandering around the place you can't be too careful.

Harry Palmr

Anyone fancy taking a bet on how long before we have either the first "going postal" classroom/teachers common room massacre or the first school shoot out between pupil/s and teacher/s.

corner of hells

Fiery mutant wrote: »

Are the lunatics running the asylum now?

Teachers in Florida are to be allowed carry guns into the classroom, under new laws which are going to approval of the governor in Florida. Apparently the best way to keep guns out of schools, is to bring them in apparently.

I really don’t know where the world is going when I read stuff like this. I thought humanity was making steps towards peace and enlightenment, but the last few years the whole place is going to **** altogether. There is no ****ing way I would allow my kids into a school where the teachers carry guns, not under any circumstances.

The USA has its issues with gun control, but surely there is no coherent argument anyone can make for this, is there?

I weep for the future.

https://www.thejournal.ie/florida-approves-bill-allowing-teachers-to-be-armed-4616210-May2019/

Thoughts and prayers, OP , thoughts and prayers.

valoren

There was a recent headline about another shooting in the US and I didn't even read up about it. No idea where or how many were shot. That's how prevalent and disturbingly Meh shootings are in the US. I've said it before that Sandy Hook was the event horizon for gun control in America. Nothing of note was done, there were even conspiracy theories surrounding it. Nothing will ever be done and it's just the new normal.

biko

Fiery mutant wrote: »

“There is no ****ing way I would allow my kids into a school where the teachers carry guns, not under any circumstances.”

Did you quote someone else or are those your own words?
Are you in Florida, or safely in a small town in Leitrim with zero crimes?

sbsquarepants

biko wrote: »

If your own children attended a school, would you rather have the teachers armed or not?

It's a sign of how mental that country is, that a question like that even get's asked!

I honestly think they are beyond help - the horse has not only bolted, it's bolted so far it's gone feral. They're fúcked up beyond any measure of rationality or sanity at this stage.

Fiery mutant

biko wrote: »

Did you quote someone else or are those your own words?
Are you in Florida, or safely in a small town in Leitrim with zero crimes?

They are both in the OP, and my initial reply to you.

I know your username is in bold, and you have all those yellow highlighted forums under your name, but in reality, they don’t mean sh1t.

My location means **** all really, and it’s relevance even less so.

98q76e12hrflnk

Fiery mutant wrote: »

They are both in the OP, and my initial reply to you.

I know your username is in bold, and you have all those yellow highlighted forums under your name, but in reality, they don’t mean sh1t.

My location means **** all really, and it’s relevance even less so.

Its totally relevant when it has no bearing on your life what so ever.

Is there any stats on teachers shooting up school in AMERICA or is all this uproar u feel over notthing, its the latter.

Fiery mutant

So because I don’t live in America i’m not allowed an opinion on matters?!?! Good to know.

Do we need to narrow that down more now? Localize it to my Village perhaps? Only permitted to comment on matters I may be involved in personally?

Good to know the usual loons are on patrol to make sure we all know our place.

98q76e12hrflnk

Fiery mutant wrote: »

So because I don’t live in America i’m not allowed an opinion on matters?!?! Good to know.

Do we need to narrow that down more now? Localize it to my Village perhaps? Only permitted to comment on matters I may be involved in personally?

Good to know the usual loons are on patrol to make sure we all know our place.

Says the guy getting all worked up over teachers in Florida being allowed to carry guns

Mr. teddywinkles

Is Arnold Schwarzenegger the governor. Oh wait that was California.

98q76e12hrflnk

Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »

Is Arnold Schwarzenegger the governor. Oh wait that was California.

He's not governor there either :pac::pac:

Fiery mutant

declan2693 wrote: »

Says the guy getting all worked up over teachers in Florida being allowed to carry guns

Says the guy getting worked up about the Muslims in Sri Lanka.

Boom_Bap

Teachers in Florida to be permitted to pistol whip students.

LessOutragePlz

I'd be in favour of it tbh it should prevent any potential mass shooting in a school in Florida in the future. To the people saying teaching is a really stressful job so they shouldn't have a gun with them in school. Couldn't they just go home get a gun comeback in the next day and shoot people and if anyone can point me to a situation where this has already happened I'd be grateful.

marcbrophy

Come on people, we all know how fcuking stupid teachers are...
Most of our leaders have been ex-teachers ffs :mad:

Now they wanna arm these dopes? :pac:

Faugheen

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

I'd be in favour of it tbh it should prevent any potential mass shooting in a school in Florida in the future. To the people saying teaching is a really stressful job so they shouldn't have a gun with them in school. Couldn't they just go home get a gun comeback in the next day and shoot people and if anyone can point me to a situation where this has already happened I'd be grateful.

How should it?

It's an absolutely insane idea, and it's brought on because Trump won't stand up to the NRA, who really run the asylum.

Teaching is enormously stressful some times. No way a teacher should be allowed carry. If it's such an issue, money should be spent on security guards with guns, and even that is a stretch of what I think is acceptable.

LessOutragePlz

Faugheen wrote: »

How should it?

It's an absolutely insane idea, and it's brought on because Trump won't stand up to the NRA, who really run the asylum.

How shouldn't it?

Fairly simple logic here:

Student or someone comes into school armed with a gun or weapon with the intent of murdering people and the teacher shoots them before they cause any harm.

hatrickpatrick

Talkin' outta turn? That's a shootin'.
Lookin' out the window? That's a shootin'.
Staring at my sandals. That's a shootin'!
Shooting the school canoe? Ooooh, you better believe that's a shootin'...

ohnonotgmail

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

How shouldn't it?

Fairly simple logic here:

Student or someone comes into school armed with a gun or weapon with the intent of murdering people and the teacher shoots them before they cause any harm.

If that is a possibility then the school should have armed and trained security guards.

LessOutragePlz

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

If that is a possibility then the school should have armed and trained security guards.

There could possibly not be enough funds available in a schools budget to pay for a security guard therefore, I'm assuming arming teachers is the solution they've come up it with due to budget restrictions if there is any.

98q76e12hrflnk

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

If that is a possibility then the school should have armed and trained security guards.

They already do. Why not add more protection to the classroom

lawred2

biko wrote: »

If your own children attended a school, would you rather have the teachers armed or not?

lol

Faugheen

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

How shouldn't it?

Fairly simple logic here:

Student or someone comes into school armed with a gun or weapon with the intent of murdering people and the teacher shoots them before they cause any harm.

Won't always be the case, will it?

Students are all in class.

One person enters the school with a bump-stocked AR15, goes into a random classroom, opens fire on the teacher immediately and guns him/her down, then shots at all the kids in the classroom.

Up to 30 people gone straight away.

Another teacher comes in, shooter guns them down, then tries to get as many people as possible afterwards.

The idea that arming teacher will stop future shootings is ludicrous.

Royale with Cheese

I've never taught, and never will. If I did though I could definitely imagine wanting to murder some of my students on a daily basis.

Fiery mutant

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

How shouldn't it?

Fairly simple logic here:

Student or someone comes into school armed with a gun or weapon with the intent of murdering people and the teacher shoots them before they cause any harm.

“Student or someone comes into school armed with a gun or weapon with the intent of murdering people. Opens fire on the first person he see’s, putting them down In the hallway. Teacher armed with weapon in second floor class, tells everyone to get down and pulls out his pistol. Meanwhile shooter walks through the ground floor hall, firing his AR-15 through locked doors, killing and maiming as he goes.

Armed teacher creeps downstairs looking for shooter. Peers around the corner and see’s shooter exiting a classroom, turns the corner, and opens fire, missing and hitting a student behind, who falls to the floor. Shooter aims at teacher, opening fire, misses teacher, but bullets ricochet and go through bathroom door at end of the hall, hitting 2 students, killing one, injuring the other.

Meanwhile police responding to active shooter enter hall, open fire, missing shooter, but hit teacher, killing him instantly. Second volley of fire hits shooter, killing him.

Active shooter down.”

I think my scenario is more realistic than yours to be honest.

ohnonotgmail

declan2693 wrote: »

They already do. Why not add more protection to the classroom

what good will an untrained teacher with a handgun do?

LessOutragePlz

Faugheen wrote: »

Won't always be the case, will it?

Students are all in class.

One person enters the school with a bump-stocked AR15, goes into a random classroom, opens fire on the teacher immediately and guns him/her down, then shots at all the kids in the classroom.

Up to 30 people gone straight away.

Another teacher comes in, shooter guns them down, then tries to get as many people as possible afterwards.

The idea that arming teacher will stop future shootings is ludicrous.

That's one scenario and what if a different scenario occurs. Where the student walks into the school and an armed teacher happens to be in the hallway and immediately takes them out which would prevent any loss of life.

Frankly to say that arming teachers won't stop any future school shootings is absolute nonsense. If they above scenario I've described happens just once it will have prevented a school shooting. Obviously your scenario is just as plausible but to say that arming teachers won't stop another school shooting is not true.

lawred2

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

How shouldn't it?

Fairly simple logic here:

Student or someone comes into school armed with a gun or weapon with the intent of murdering people and the teacher shoots them before they cause any harm.

simple alright

Teachers are known for their marksmanship and utterly unfazeable ruthless killing skills...

mcmoustache

biko wrote: »

If your own children attended a school, would you rather have the teachers armed or not?

If I could depend on teachers to know how to properly handle their weapons, store them securely and be in good mental health, sure, but we don't live in a movie or in the idealised world of an NRA pamphlet. We live in the kind of world where parents get shot by toddlers.

LessOutragePlz

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

That's one scenario and what if a different scenario occurs. Where the student walks into the school and an armed teacher happens to be in the hallway and immediately take them out which would prevent any loss of life.

Frankly to say that arming teachers won't stop any future school shootings is absolute nonsense. If they above scenario I've described happens just once it will have prevented a school shooting. Obviously your scenario is just as plausible but to say that arming teachers won't stop another school shooting is not true.

But it will probably cause school shootings too when a teacher snaps and opens fire on a student/classroom. They would have easy and immediate access to a firearm that they otherwise would not have before this legislation was brought in.

LessOutragePlz

Fiery mutant wrote: »

I think my scenario is more realistic than yours to be honest.

How have you come to that conclusion?

Are you an expert in school shootings?

fryup

well one up-side...the kids will be on their best behaviour

jim o doom

biko wrote: »

If your own children attended a school, would you rather have the teachers armed or not?

So what is the danger here? It is as follows:

There is an active shooter on a campus where teachers are armed.

One armed teacher heads out to help the situation. A second armed teacher who doesn't know the first teacher well, thinks at a distance that the first teacher is the active shooter and kills them erroneously.

Well that worked out well. But wait.. has this sort of thing happened already? Why yes it has. But in this case, it was a SECURITY GUARD, and he was shot by TRAINED POLICE OFFICERS.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/12/us/police-officer-shoots-security-guard-chicago.html

So what's the danger in giving a bunch of untrained teachers permission to carry guns on campus.. none, nothing to see here, please move on.

Anyone who thinks this is a reasonable plan seriously needs their head examined.

Fiery mutant

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

How have you come to that conclusion?

Are you an expert in school shootings?

“I think my scenario is more realistic than yours to be honest.“

Can we start giving English classes in here?!?!?

I offered my opinion, you took it as a statement of fact.

I’m glad you’re not a teacher. Imagine you with a gun.

mcmoustache

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

That's one scenario and what if a different scenario occurs. Where the student walks into the school and an armed teacher happens to be in the hallway and immediately takes them out which would prevent any loss of life.

Frankly to say that arming teachers won't stop any future school shootings is absolute nonsense. If they above scenario I've described happens just once it will have prevented a school shooting. Obviously your scenario is just as plausible but to say that arming teachers won't stop another school shooting is not true.

This is a lot of stupid for one post and I won't be able to unpack it all but I'll just point out a couple of things.

First of all, a teenager with his AR15 out and loaded in the hallway will make short work of a teacher trying to pull their snubnose from their handbag. These teachers aren't Arnie from Kindergarten Cop. They're teachers in Florida who are most likely overweight medicated females.

Secondly, even if they are able to stop the odd shooting here and there, will it offset the inevitable panic shootings of kids by teachers who mistake a piece of toast for a gun? This is Florida we're talking about. It's one of the dumber states in an already dumb country. Even the police over there don't know who to shoot at.

LessOutragePlz

Fiery mutant wrote: »

“I think my scenario is more realistic than yours to be honest.“

Can we start giving English classes in here?!?!?

I offered my opinion, you took it as a statement of fact.

I’m glad you’re not a teacher. Imagine you with a gun.

Haven't taken it as a fact at all maybe you need the English lessons.

Simply asked why you believe your scenario is more likely?

No problem if you can't answer the question.

jim o doom

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Haven't taken it as a fact at all maybe you need the English lessons.

Simply asked why you believe your scenario is more likely?

No problem if you can't answer the question.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/12/us/police-officer-shoots-security-guard-chicago.html

Police shot a security guard by accident during a school shooting. Police are trained.

What makes you think an untrained teacher is going to shoot the correct person?

Faugheen

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

How have you come to that conclusion?

Are you an expert in school shootings?

Are you?

You're claiming that it will stop shootings with zero basis whatsoever.

Why is your logic 'simple' when it's nothing more than a theory like everyone else's?

What happens if a teacher snaps in their classroom? Killing the students they are supposed to be protecting?

What happens when a teacher tries to gun down a shooter, but accidentally hits a student instead?

These are all possibilities and just as likely as yours.

Either way, students are going to continue to be killed in schools unless restrictive access to firearms is brought in, but as long as the NRA are buying representation in the House/Senate then it won't.

A despicable organisation.

batman_oh

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

How shouldn't it?

Fairly simple logic here:

Student or someone comes into school armed with a gun or weapon with the intent of murdering people and the teacher shoots them before they cause any harm.

Or student comes with AR15 (the favourite peacekeeper of choice for the average American) unloads machine gun knowing that teachers have guns resulting in epic bloodbath. Sounds like a good film!

mcmoustache

Ward J. Littell wrote: »

But it will probably cause school shootings too when a teacher snaps and opens fire on a student/classroom. They would have easy and immediate access to a firearm that they otherwise would not have before this legislation was brought in.

It's also likely that some fat, blind, medicated Florida teacher will mistake a violin for an AR15 and open fire, killing 5 people in the process.

98q76e12hrflnk

batman_oh wrote: »

Or student comes with AR15 (the favourite peacekeeper of choice for the average American) unloads machine gun knowing that teachers have guns resulting in epic bloodbath. Sounds like a good film!

LOL this happens anyway, what does arming the teachers change, the shooter might be prevented from killing more but somehow the left want to make it easier for killers instead of harder.