Teachers in Florida to be permitted to carry guns

the_syco

is_that_so wrote: »

Not, you'd like to think the school has an effective security set-up to keep everyone safe.

Please tell us what that is?

astrofool

At least the shooters won't need to go to the hassle of getting the guns themselves in the future, just borrow it from a teacher.

98q76e12hrflnk

astrofool wrote: »

At least the shooters won't need to go to the hassle of getting the guns themselves in the future, just borrow it from a teacher.

Great logic.

Pronto63

Serious question here.

Active shooter
Teacher responds
Hits innocent person

Who pays?
Does school indemnify those teachers that have been authorised to carry guns?

98q76e12hrflnk

Pronto63 wrote: »

Serious question here.

Active shooter
Teacher responds
Hits innocent person

Who pays?
Does school indemnify those teachers that have been authorised to carry guns?

Did the teacher get the active shooter? Tell me the rest of the story

Boom_Bap

Teachers in Florida permitted to drive tanks to school

Irish Guitarist

This gun could probably be modified so that only good teachers can shoot it.

Deebles McBeebles

batman_oh wrote: »

Or student comes with AR15 (the favourite peacekeeper of choice for the average American) unloads machine gun knowing that teachers have guns resulting in epic bloodbath. Sounds like a good film!

Kindergarten Cop 2: Reckoning Day.

Boom_Bap

Teachers in Florida permitted to call in air support and drone strikes

Pronto63

declan2693 wrote: »

Did the teacher get the active shooter? Tell me the rest of the story

Fado fado.
Sit down and I'll tell you all about it!

ohnonotgmail

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Teachers in Florida permitted to call in air support and drone strikes

Teachers in Florida permitted to take off and nuke it from orbit. It is the only way to be sure.

Boom_Bap

Teachers in Florida....

is_that_so

Here's a more complete picture of the overall state of affairs.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-guns-florida/florida-teachers-can-arm-themselves-under-new-gun-bill-idUSKCN1S74GZ

greencap

they just keep doubling down.

we're right and everyone else is wrong.

- hey your kids are dying.

yes, maybe, but you see...

Deebles McBeebles

Guns in teachers to be permitted to carry Florida.

Boom_Bap

Teachers in Florida to be given the Infinity Gauntlet

kowloon

This is Florida, everyone should be armed at all times just to survive the wildlife.

Deebles McBeebles

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Teachers in Florida to be given the Infinity Gauntlet

Thanos, Governor of Florida, commands it!

Boom_Bap

Teachers in Florida to be issued dragon bone handled, Valyrian steel catspaw daggers

Deebles McBeebles

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Teachers in Florida to be issued dragon bone handled, Valyrian steel catspaw daggers

In case of Night King attacks, smart. Between that and the AR-15, teachers got it covered.

the_syco

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Teachers in Florida....

That's clearly a prototype for an Irish ATM... :pac:

freshpopcorn

biko wrote: »

If your own children attended a school, would you rather have the teachers armed or not?

I had teachers that used loose control and throw chalk and dusters at students. So, I wouldn't give them guns.

Manic Moran

Several comments I have to make here.

1) Florida is not the first state to do this. A few have permitted staff (and in at least Utah, students) to be armed for years. So far, there has not been an issue of a stressed teacher (or permitted armed student) losing it. See this ten minute video from NBC last year covering a training course for teachers, with interviews of those teachers. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/i-want-be-able-protect-them-after-parkland-some-teachers-n882261

2) The same staff are already armed, off school grounds. I don’t believe there is any particular magic which happens when a person with a carry permit walks from the park where he may be lawfully armed and across the street onto school property.

3) Nobody is (to my knowledge) advocating that teachers who are not so inclined should be armed against their will, or that other security measures should be reduced.

4) Saying that teachers cannot handle the stress of combat is a broad generalization. A significant number of public school teachers in the US are combat veterans, the DoD and Dept of Education has a program named “Troops to Teachers” which provides job opportunities in public education to servicemen leaving the military. My former platoon sergeant from Iraq is a public school teacher in the Los Angeles school district. I have absolutely no concerns about his actions and capabilities in a firefight. I have seen him in action.

5) The possibility of a case of mistaken identity is a real one. That is a choice which the armed teacher gets to make for himself. It makes little difference to him if he is killed by a cop who mistakes him or if he is killed because he is cowering helplessly in lockdown and the shooter just happened to get into his room.

6) The bottom line is that there is no reason to believe that things can get any worse. There is already an armed individual actively and intentionally attempting to kill everyone he can find, and past evidence indicates that they are likely to find dozens. If the armed teacher responding goes wrong, the worst that happens is an innocent person dies. If there is no armed teacher, what’s the worst that happens? If there is one, what’s the best that happens?

7) What has happened in situations in the past where an active shooter is met by armed retaliation before responding police show up? What has happened in cases that they have not? Go back as far as 1966. How many people did Whitman kill before staff and students started shooting back? How many did he kill between then, and when the police showed up?

Capt'n Midnight

biko wrote: »

If your own children attended a school, would you rather have the teachers armed or not?

Would you rather have the teachers carry condoms or not ?

Deebles McBeebles

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Would you rather have the teachers carry condoms or not ?

Probably legal if they attach them to helium balloons.

mickoneill31

It's really admitting defeat isn't it.

There's nothing we can do in the government and the police aren't adequate so arm yourselves lads and take your chances.

They're going backwards over there.

Deebles McBeebles

mickoneill31 wrote: »

It's really admitting defeat isn't it.

There's nothing we can do in the government and the police aren't adequate so arm yourselves lads and take your chances.

They're going backwards over there.

Back to the Wild West days. Seems to be what Trump wants.

nice_guy80

It'd keep a few parents quiet

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Teachers in Florida to be issued dragon bone handled, Valyrian steel catspaw daggers

It's what they do. They carry dragon bone handled, Valyrian steel catspaw daggers and they know things.

98q76e12hrflnk

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Back to the Wild West days. Seems to be what Trump wants.

Ah yes and Obama did a too prevent anything

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

declan2693 wrote: »

Ah yes and Obama did a too prevent anything

This isn't really a presidential issue. Schootings have been going on since Columbine twenty years ago and there have been they;ve had four presiedents in that time.

98q76e12hrflnk

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

This isn't really a presidential issue. Schootings have been going on since Columbine twenty years ago and there have been they;ve had four presiedents in that time.

Exactly, my point was how can you relate this to Trump ffs

whisky_galore

Too many gun incidents, therefore we need more guns to stop it.

I for one am glad I don't live in that country of nutters.

Deebles McBeebles

declan2693 wrote: »

Exactly, my point was how can you relate this to Trump ffs

How did you relate it to Obama?

I didn't say school shootings are Trump's fault but he will bring the kip back to medieval times if he's given the chance.

98q76e12hrflnk

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

How did you relate it to Obama?

I didn't say school shootings are Trump's fault but he will bring the kip back to medieval times if he's given the chance.

And how will he do that exactly?

jmayo

Manic Moran wrote: »

Several comments I have to make here.

6) The bottom line is that there is no reason to believe that things can get any worse. There is already an armed individual actively and intentionally attempting to kill everyone he can find, and past evidence indicates that they are likely to find dozens. If the armed teacher responding goes wrong, the worst that happens is an innocent person dies. If there is no armed teacher, what’s the worst that happens? If there is one, what’s the best that happens?

Ah yes the glorious choice of being killed by friendly fire versus enemy fire.
No wonder the US readily adopted that phrase. :rolleyes:

As mickoneill says this is totally an admission of defeat that the school authorities and local police cannot protect the kids or indeed the teachers.

And when this doesn't work will it be suggested that the kids can carry in school ?

Deebles McBeebles

declan2693 wrote: »

And how will he do that exactly?

Through his policies and actions all while lying through his teeth. Like any dictator.

rgodard80a

whisky_galore wrote: »

Too many gun incidents, therefore we need more guns to stop it.

It's in their constitution, the right to arms.
So only a referendum can revoke it I imagine and the gun lobbyists are very powerful over there.

Only choice is to level the playing field.

144 hours of training is over 19 days of training for a teacher to be qualified and approved to carry a gun.
I had half of day of NRA training and I was ready for the concealed carry application.

So they only have the option to carry guns, it's nowhere near mandatory.
Sounds reasonable to me given the situation and limited options available.

Maybe a bullet proof school uniform too.

Hector Savage

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

The students should be armed too, in case a teacher goes rogue.

It's funny, but this post in a NRA subreddit could be considered serious!!!

whisky_galore

rgodard80a wrote: »

It's in their constitution, the right to arms.
So only a referendum can revoke it I imagine and the gun lobbyists are very powerful over there.

Only choice is to level the playing field.

144 hours of training is over 19 days of training for a teacher to be qualified and approved to carry a gun.
I had half of day of NRA training and I was ready for the concealed carry application.

So they only have the option to carry guns, it's nowhere near mandatory.
Sounds reasonable to me given the situation and limited options available.

Maybe a bullet proof school uniform too.

It would be fine if they were restricted to flintlock muskets, the weapon they had in mind at the time.
They're still living in a wild west gun fantasy, an almost sexual fanatical attachment to guns hard to find anywhere else.

steddyeddy

My career guidance counselor asked what I want to be after high school in America.

Apparently alive wasnt the answer he was looking for.

Grayson

whisky_galore wrote: »

It would be fine if they were restricted to flintlock muskets, the weapon they had in mind at the time.
They're still living in a wild west gun fantasy, an almost sexual fanatical attachment to guns hard to find anywhere else.

Not to mention all the gun nuts forget the phrase regulated militia.

If you look up the history of it, for most of the time the right to bear arms was never interpreted as the right of an individual to have the kind of weapons we see today. It was interpreted as the right for an organised militia to exist.

Grayson

declan2693 wrote: »

Ah yes and Obama did a too prevent anything

To be fair obama tried to change some of the laws. Admittedly the changes he tried to bring in were tiny and he still failed.

topmanamillion

One of the many flaws of arming teachers is they are teachers, the majority have no military training and most won't have shot at anything bigger than a tin can.

An armed teacher is more likely to hide under a table than rushing out into a corridor to confront a deranged gunman/gunmen.

The way they do it is not all teachers are armed.
And they don't advertise which ones are to provide those ones becoming a target.

steddyeddy

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

How shouldn't it?

Fairly simple logic here:

Student or someone comes into school armed with a gun or weapon with the intent of murdering people and the teacher shoots them before they cause any harm.

But it's the gun culture adding to the increased homicide rate. Making guns more acceptable rather than questioning the role of gun culture in mass shootings isn't the way to go.

Boom_Bap

topmanamillion wrote: »

One of the many flaws of arming teachers is they are teachers, the majority have no military training and most won't have shot at anything bigger than a tin can.

An armed teacher is more likely to hide under a table than rushing out into a corridor to confront a deranged gunman/gunmen.

The way they do it is not all teachers are armed.
And they don't advertise which ones are to provide those ones becoming a target.

I also think that teachers don't go in to the profession to murder a student.


EDIT: Murder may be a harsh work, shoot, I don't think they go in to the profession to shoot a student.

Neyite

FFS.


RIP to the inevitable black kid shot taking his calculator out of his backpack so.

mcmoustache

Manic Moran wrote: »

Several comments I have to make here.


6) The bottom line is that there is no reason to believe that things can get any worse. There is already an armed individual actively and intentionally attempting to kill everyone he can find, and past evidence indicates that they are likely to find dozens. If the armed teacher responding goes wrong, the worst that happens is an innocent person dies. If there is no armed teacher, what’s the worst that happens? If there is one, what’s the best that happens?

Good, well-thought-out post there but I'm not so sure about things not getting worse. For example, how likely is it that a teacher shoots a student because they mistakenly thought that the student had a gun or because something else spooked them?

While school shootings are something of a pastime over there, they are rare events. Accidental shootings aren't too common either but numerous enough, all the same.

I would wonder if the lives saved would offset the additional numbers of people accidentally killed by teachers, either due to mistaken identity or carelessness.

Noveight

mcmoustache wrote: »

For example, how likely is it that a teacher shoots a student because they mistakenly thought that the student had a gun or because something else spooked them?

Seems to happen a bit with their cops. Taking this from the top of my heady but wasn't there an incident where a mentally disabled man carrying a toy car was shot or shot at?

The phrase "trigger-happy" seems apt at times.

TeaBagMania

wow, the responses from a non-gun culture country are comical

curious as to how many different types of weapons the keyboard commandos have fired in their life?

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