Silence of the Wolves - A Game of Werewolf GAME THREAD

Green&Red

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

anyone wanna catch a girl up? I won't get a read through done before voting time maybe a little TL:DR

I think Strawbs is a wolf, outlined here[/URL

I'd like people to vote out the wolf

quickbeam

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

anyone wanna catch a girl up? I won't get a read through done before voting time maybe a little TL:DR

Some are hoping to find a wolf in the low posters.
Said low poster Digi did a genie act.
Argument over whether best to lynch players likely to be modkilled.

Some are suspecting Strawbs.
Keith asked Strawbs if she could run against anyone who it would be, she said Kolido.
Now everyone thinks it's a Strawbs v Kolido race, though it's not.
20 players of which 3 are wolves. Feck knows who they are?
I'm already a little drunk.

Green&Red

I think Strawbs is a wolf, outlined here

I'd like people to vote out the wolf

sKeith

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

Reading back it really seems like Strawbs was the main one beating a Kolido drum, still not sure why but I was the same when the Kitten votes started to mount up and wasn't it strawbs who also started that one. Think I might look bad if she flips good with 2 votes on her but im more confident of her flipping bad than I would be of anyone else right now so will probably stick there unless something changes in the next few hours (time difference means I won't be voting late).

Not really. by memory anyway, early, i think 1st decalred vote was strawberry for kitten. but later changed this to kolido. trit then started the kitten wagon, ecto joined straw joined, then she esconded back to kolido and i joined the kitten wagon. As far as i can recal, thats how it played out.


be happy if you cant get the actual posts to prove my menory wrong though.

TheSkunk

I’ve started work on the vote list and got as far as here and I have a question for skunk

TheSkunk wrote: »

I think it would be a good idea if someone could look back and see who was the first person to vote for Kitten, was it Trit? Then Ecto and then SK?

This little snippet above which was in the middle of a long post is screaming out at me. Why would you need someone to go back and look at who voted kitten first. There was a voting list on the thread. It was updated and posted again before the lynch too. Guess who voted for her first? Me!!! I knew it, the other players knew it but you didn’t?

To me this looks like the start of trying to throw doubt onto me without actually saying my name. Nicely done but when I get lynched or munched you need to be looked into more.



I’m getting back to vote list now. Will be as quick as I can.

Bounty Hunter

sKeith wrote: »

Not really. by memory anyway, early, i think 1st decalred vote was strawberry for kitten. but later changed this to kolido. trit then started the kitten wagon, ecto joined straw joined, then she esconded back to kolido and i joined the kitten wagon. As far as i can recal, thats how it played out.


be happy if you cant get the actual posts to prove my menory wrong though.

Thats what I mean by her starting that. She may have left later but she started the conversation on the later mislynched Kitten and in doing so put her under a spotlight and suspicion that others latched onto.

quickbeam

Can somebody remind me why we're declaring our votes on thread? Is this not something the wolves can manipulate for their own gain if they know where votes are going?

By all means, declare after vote closes and before the results are revealed, but why before? Sorry if I've missed something. It only just dawned on me. Probably too late for this lynch and I don't necessarily want a debate this close to lynch, but maybe we shouldn't do it from next lynch on?

Baggly

quickbeam wrote:

Can somebody remind me why we're declaring our votes on thread? Is this not something the wolves can manipulate for their own gain if they know where votes are going?

For wagonomics i thought. Someone moves we can figure out why due to the declaration.

fixXxer

quickbeam wrote: »

Can somebody remind me why we're declaring our votes on thread? Is this not something the wolves can manipulate for their own gain if they know where votes are going?

By all means, declare after vote closes and before the results are revealed, but why before? Sorry if I've missed something. It only just dawned on me. Probably too late for this lynch and I don't necessarily want a debate this close to lynch, but maybe we shouldn't do it from next lynch on?

Idea thrown out by Straws (!!!) so the person being voted against could defend themselves.

quickbeam

Pter wrote: »

For wagonomics i thought. Someone moves we can figure out why due to the declaration.

fixxxer wrote: »

Idea thrown out by Straws (!!!) so the person being voted against could defend themselves.

Wagonomics comes after the lynch though by analysing votes.


Possibly worth knowing of somebody moves or not, but does that outweigh the advantage it would give to the wolves?


Why would someone need to defend themselves? All Villagers are equal so we either lose a Villager or a Wolf. We've no rolled villagers at risk?




Okay, above are rhetorical for now. As I said, I don't want to derail the thread. I'll bring up again next phase though, and think we should decide if it really is a good idea or not.

Dublinandy2

fixxxer or strawberry, fixxxer or strawberry.

I believe it's fixxxer but if it's not strawberry we'd get so much more information and go back to fixxxer, and if it is then g and r is solid gold in my book so win win.

I may change my mind but for simple tactical reasons I'm going to vote for you strawberry because even if you're good I think it identifies at least two wolves and if you're bad well win win.

My votes on strawberry.

I never thought voting a strawberry to be lynched would be my last work action of the week.

sKeith

quickbeam wrote: »

Can somebody remind me why we're declaring our votes on thread? Is this not something the wolves can manipulate for their own gain if they know where votes are going?

By all means, declare after vote closes and before the results are revealed, but why before? Sorry if I've missed something. It only just dawned on me. Probably too late for this lynch and I don't necessarily want a debate this close to lynch, but maybe we shouldn't do it from next lynch on?

For building pressure on someone. In my opinion, so far it is working better than FFAs.


I don't think it is helping wolves, especially if we can all agree not to be by ourselves at end of day. that is, agree to no outliers, as a rule.


It greatly assists wagonomics, and is pro village, especially with 17:3 village:wolves.

Baggly

I think strawbs will flip good in the end but I agree it will give us lots of info.

Kolido

I go away for a bit and I get back to reading Im a subject for racing.

Well I declared earlier I would be voting Strawbs unless things change. Was looking at Pters strategy until I came to terms that it wasnt a good idea. Voting strawbs now 18:18

Baggly

Time difference K

Green&Red

Dublinandy2 wrote: »

fixxxer or strawberry, fixxxer or strawberry.

I believe it's fixxxer but if it's not strawberry we'd get so much more information and go back to fixxxer, and if it is then g and r is solid gold in my book so win win.

I may change my mind but for simple tactical reasons I'm going to vote for you strawberry because even if you're good I think it identifies at least two wolves and if you're bad well win win.

My votes on strawberry.

I never thought voting a strawberry to be lynched would be my last work action of the week.

Strange, I have a post prepared for after the vote deadline, that if Strawbs is bad then Player A should be investigated.
I was going to add a second post for Player B and you were Player B. So if you hold your vote on Strawbs I can delete that post!

quickbeam

sKeith wrote: »

For building pressure on someone. In my opinion, so far it is working better than FFAs.


I don't think it is helping wolves, especially if we can all agree not to be by ourselves at end of day. that is, agree to no outliers, as a rule.


It greatly assists wagonomics, and is pro village, especially with 17:3 village:wolves.

What does the last bit mean? As we get closer to parity we should stop? Would you have thoughts on where that line is?

Kolido

Pter wrote: »

Time difference K

Voted Strawbs @17:18

Dublinandy2

Green&Red wrote: »

Strange, I have a post prepared for after the vote deadline, that if Strawbs is bad then Player A should be investigated.
I was going to add a second post for Player B and you were Player B. So if you hold your vote on Strawbs I can delete that post!

I can hold, I don't fully understand, can you explain more for when I'm on the luas?

sKeith

Dublinandy2 wrote: »

fixxxer or strawberry, fixxxer or strawberry.

I believe it's fixxxer but if it's not strawberry we'd get so much more information and go back to fixxxer, and if it is then g and r is solid gold in my book so win win.

I may change my mind but for simple tactical reasons I'm going to vote for you strawberry because even if you're good I think it identifies at least two wolves and if you're bad well win win.

My votes on strawberry.

I never thought voting a strawberry to be lynched would be my last work action of the week.

Pter wrote: »

I think strawbs will flip good in the end but I agree it will give us lots of info.

If you think strawberry will flip green, then lets not flip here.


Dandy, what two would a green flip on strawberry find?


info flips are a thing, but i want the info available to all, like spell it out clearly, who a green flip on strawbs which two as wolves?


If you are munched, and we have no idea who you are talking about, then its a wasted green flip.

Green&Red

Dublinandy2 wrote: »

I can hold, I don't fully understand, can you explain more for when I'm on the luas?

No dont hold.

I didnt explain that well

I have a pre-prepared post about a player, I'll post it after 9pm. It outlines why I think they are a teammate of Strawbs. That way if Strawbs flips bad and I'm munched my thoughts are there for all to see. I'm fingering them from the grave if you will

I had a second one made up which pointed at you. I can delete that if you hold your vote on Strawbs, otherwise talk is cheap

Green&Red

Right, I'm AFK for the next while. Please keep the pressure on Strawbs, I really hope she flips bad!

Kolido

Pter wrote: »

I think strawbs will flip good in the end but I agree it will give us lots of info.

Can you convince me Pter please, I have you as town. If you think Strawbs is town, I dont want us to lynch a villager.

tusk

sKeith wrote: »

I don't think it is helping wolves, especially if we can all agree not to be by ourselves at end of day. that is, agree to no outliers, as a rule.
.

This would be a great shout. If we all agree to no outliers it will make the analysis more streamlined I think.

sKeith

Green&Red wrote: »

Right, I'm AFK for the next while. Please keep the pressure on Strawbs, I really hope she flips bad!

I'm underwhelmed by this post.


Its a lifeline for strawbs, that you didn't need to give.


It shows weakness in your resolve that was so strong and assured until here.

Baggly

sKeith wrote:

If you think strawberry will flip green, then lets not flip here.

Well I'm not voting for her.

But if she dies I think it clears if kitten was a wagon or not 100%.

I think it gives us an idea on gnr being bad.

I think it gives us some info on QB who was backing her up today. Whether that implicates or helps QB is open to interpretation. I'd think it will help her.

Also strawbs has been very active on thread so would give us a lot of interaction info.

quickbeam

If we're saying no outliers, I think I'm an outlier at the moment (Pter moved off Digi, I think?) How many have to be on a vote to make it not an outlier? 20 players currently so if two each voted for 10 players would that be no outliers because there were no singletons? Or do we need to decide a number? When we use FFAs properly in previous games, we run the top three in a race, so is three our number and we vote among those? If so, which three? I'm confused.

tusk

Updated vote to Strawbs. Based on the logic several people have shared, and the view that a villa flip will actually be a positive still.

I'm not sure if I'll be on much tonight, but as I said, I think outliers will be a bad idea, so I don't want to be stuck as the only one on Skunk if I was unable to get online later to change.

Baggly

Kolido wrote:

Can you convince me Pter please, I have you as town. If you think Strawbs is town, I dont want us to lynch a villager.

Well what is the evidence against her? The kitten wagon? It's not definitive. The read lists? Mine and a lot of others have been as bad.

I'm not here to defend her. She should be doing that. I just don't think it's a slam dunk. And that's coupled with the thought that I don't see her playing the active wolf in games much.

Baggly

quickbeam wrote:

If we're saying no outliers, I think I'm an outlier at the moment (Pter moved off Digi, I think?) How many have to be on a vote to make it not an outlier? 20 players currently so if two each voted for 10 players would that be no outliers because there were no singletons? Or do we need to decide a number? When we use FFAs properly in previous games, we run the top three in a race, so is three our number and we vote among those? If so, which three? I'm confused.

I'm still on digi

quickbeam

Okay, but my question still stands. Should all votes be on one of three? Or is it just if you're not a singleton that you're not an outlier?

Necro

Game Mod:

About to drive home from work now, aim to be back prior to 7pm but if not, you know the drill; Posting count limit lifted from 7pm until 10pm.

Thanks.

Baggly

quickbeam wrote:

Okay, but my question still stands. Should all votes be on one of three? Or is it just if you're not a singleton that you're not an outlier?

Is organising the vote like this helpful or harmful to vote analysis. Like is it better than single votes.

Dublinandy2

Pter summed it up perfectly. I'm not convinced strawberry is a wolf but even if dhe isn't, it gived us a sure fire wolf for the next lynch, green and red and lots of other info. It's better than a nobody and gaining little info again.

So apologies strawberry but unless something changes, I'm voting for you

tusk

Are we wasting valuable time talking about which way to vote, rather than calling people out and questioning/investigating more? Today feels way more lax than before, like most people have kicked off the FBI issue shoes already...

Baggly

tusk wrote:

Are we wasting valuable time talking about which way to vote, rather than calling people out and questioning/investigating more? Today feels way more lax than before, like most people have kicked off the FBI issue shoes already...

Fair point

quickbeam

Pter wrote: »

Is organising the vote like this helpful or harmful to vote analysis. Like is it better than single votes.

I don't understand this answer. If we're putting in a 'no outlier' rule, then I'd like the rule clearly defined. Again, maybe something to discuss for next lynch instead. ATM as Digi has made only his cursory contribution today I'm not in any hurry to move off him.

Baggly

quickbeam wrote:

I don't understand this answer. If we're putting in a 'no outlier' rule, then I'd like the rule clearly defined. Again, maybe something to discuss for next lynch instead. ATM as Digi has made only his cursory contribution today I'm not in any hurry to move off him.

Yeah but what takes precedence. Me following what I think is right or the no outliers rule. For me it's me following what I believe. Because I know my motivations are village.

sKeith

quickbeam wrote: »

Okay, but my question still stands. Should all votes be on one of three? Or is it just if you're not a singleton that you're not an outlier?

who was voted| by who| current count
kittenk|trit,ecto,sKeith|3
skeith|kittenk,skunk|2
dandy|pter, green|2
skunk| qb, tusk|2
green| fixxxer|1
cross| calrabel|1
loughc| kolido|1
pter| dandy|1
duff|tb|1
straw|BH|1
kolido|straw|1


Didn't think this was difficult to understand.
All the 1 votes are the outliers here. two votes are fine.


Sitting on a 1 vote all day is perfectly fine, but be prepared to vote your 2nd most likely wolf if nobody has agreed with you by 20:30.

sKeith

Pter wrote: »

Is organising the vote like this helpful or harmful to vote analysis. Like is it better than single votes.

single votes are useless.

Baggly

I dunno dandys single vote on me seems pretty useful.

sKeith

Dublinandy2 wrote: »

Pter summed it up perfectly. I'm not convinced strawberry is a wolf but even if dhe isn't, it gived us a sure fire wolf for the next lynch, green and red and lots of other info. It's better than a nobody and gaining little info again.

So apologies strawberry but unless something changes, I'm voting for you

You are wrong.
Strawberry wolf flip does not mean GnR wolf.


Don't shatter my village list!

Digital Solitude

Dublinandy2 wrote: »

Pter summed it up perfectly. I'm not convinced strawberry is a wolf but even if dhe isn't, it gived us a sure fire wolf for the next lynch, green and red and lots of other info. It's better than a nobody and gaining little info again.

So apologies strawberry but unless something changes, I'm voting for you

Who's the surefire wolf next lynch? G&R? He's been pretty villagery today imo

Barney92

Just adding the vote for fixxxer in

sKeith wrote: »

who was voted| by who| current count
kittenk|trit,ecto,sKeith|3
skeith|kittenk,skunk|2
dandy|pter, green|2
skunk| qb, tusk|2
green| fixxxer|1
fixxxer|barney|1
cross| calrabel|1
loughc| kolido|1
pter| dandy|1
duff|tb|1
straw|BH|1
kolido|straw|1


Didn't think this was difficult to understand.
All the 1 votes are the outliers here. two votes are fine.


Sitting on a 1 vote all day is perfectly fine, but be prepared to vote your 2nd most likely wolf if nobody has agreed with you by 20:30.

Kolido

Pter wrote: »

Well what is the evidence against her? The kitten wagon? It's not definitive. The read lists? Mine and a lot of others have been as bad.

I'm not here to defend her. She should be doing that. I just don't think it's a slam dunk. And that's coupled with the thought that I don't see her playing the active wolf in games much.

Her arguement against me regarding whippy screams wolf to me but you make a good point about her playing style.

Baggly

Kolido wrote:

Her arguement against me regarding whippy screams wolf to me but you make a good point about her playing style.

Would you mind tldr ing it for me please?

sKeith

Barney92 wrote: »

Just adding the vote for fixxxer in

you know that's day one vote sheet?

Ectoplasm

Ok, apologies for a lot of text but I've done this as a kind of recap for myself and someone else might find it useful. Hopefully I've not missed anything.

QB does reads list @ 10:01. GnR does recap/reads @ 10.01. Kolido does recap/reads @ 10:41. Skunk does recap/response @ 10:59

Tusk does sort of #FFA2.
Skeith declares vote for Digi.
Pter declares placeholder on sKeith.
BH does #FFA2.
Pter does #FFA2.
Strawberry declares vote on Fixxer.
sKeith posts updated reads list.
Skunk does #FFA2.
Pter sort of declares change of vote onto Fixxer

Strawbs posts a read list.
Clarabel posts a read list
. Clarabel declares a vote for CTK

SKeith posts a sort of reads list.
Kolido declares likely vote for Strawbs.
DAndy posts #FFA2.
Clarabel posts a single word post saying Digi.
Strawbs moves vote from Fixxer to CTK and posts #FFA2.
Barney says he may vote Digi.

Lots of discussion over low posters follows.

QB posts #FFA2.
Pter declares vote on Digi.
Strawbs moves vote from CTK to Kolido.
Skunk posts read list.
Pter moves vote to CTK.
Pter moves vote to succubus.
Tusk posts #FFA2 and read list.
Digi posts reads list.
GnR accuses Strawbs.
BH posts read list.
QB declares vote for Digi.
QB maybe declares vote on Strawbs?

Ecto posts reads list.
QB says she hasn't voted for Kolido but will if it's between K & Strawbs.
Fixxer declares vote for strawbs.
BH declares earlier vote for Strawbs.
Pter declares for Digi.
sKeith declares for fixxer.
BH sticking with Strawbs for now.
DAndy declares vote for Strawbs.
Kolido declares Strawbs.
Tusk declares vote on Strawbs.

quickbeam

Pter wrote: »

Yeah but what takes precedence. Me following what I think is right or the no outliers rule. For me it's me following what I believe. Because I know my motivations are village.

This is my point. I'd rather go with what I think is right too. But then it's not a 'rule', it's a guideline, or a recommendation.

quickbeam

Ectoplasm wrote: »

QB maybe declares vote on Strawbs?

No I didn't! I was referring to my previously declared vote on Digi.