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Why the sudden hysteria over climate change?

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    #422
    jackboy
    Registered Users Posts: 4,587 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Tell me how wrote: »
    SMH.

    All levels of awareness are not the same thing are they?

    This has been of a different kind to what has come before, and statements from governments in support of the cause are different to what we have seen before.

    The statements from governments are just for PR purposes. The politicians have no intention of doing anything significant.


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    #423
    Tell me how
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    jackboy wrote: »
    The statements from governments are just for PR purposes. The politicians have no intention of doing anything significant.

    Most likely, in a lot of cases, you are correct. The US pulled out of Paris at the whim of him who must not be named.

    But, they are making stronger statements than have done in the past, and they will pay attention to these striking children as they grow older and start to vote. (and enter industry and indeed politics in future).

    Change has to come, any start is a start.


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    #424
    p1akuw47h5r3it
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    Tell me how wrote: »
    SMH.

    All levels of awareness are not the same thing are they?

    This has been of a different kind to what has come before, and statements from governments in support of the cause are different to what we have seen before.

    I don't know what SMH means.

    Political statements are just political statements. Meaningless. And no it isn't different. There was a big hullabaloo after An Inconvenient Truth was released back in 2006, very similar to now.

    Again, what is needed is real actual proposals and solutions. Not yet more activism, not yet more political statements.


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    #425
    jackboy
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    Tell me how wrote: »
    Most likely, in a lot of cases, you are correct. The US pulled out of Paris at the whim of him who must not be named.

    But, they are making stronger statements than have done in the past, and they will pay attention to these striking children as they grow older and start to vote. (and enter industry and indeed politics in future).

    Change has to come, any start is a start.

    The vast majority of the striking children will give up the activism when they get older. Mortgages and children will put an end to that.


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    #426
    p1akuw47h5r3it
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    Tell me how wrote: »
    Most likely, in a lot of cases, you are correct. The US pulled out of Paris at the whim of him who must not be named.

    But, they are making stronger statements than have done in the past, and they will pay attention to these striking children as they grow older and start to vote. (and enter industry and indeed politics in future).

    Change has to come, any start is a start.

    Oh my god. There HAS been a start. Why do you think we have Carbon Taxes? Taxes on plastic bags? Constant news articles about the death of species, the death of the coral reefs, China's attempts to tackle the problem of smog in it's cities etc.

    Have you been burying your head in the sand the previous 20 years?


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    #427
    gozunda
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    ...

    No one is saying Greta knows more than scientists on the matter. She is saying listen to the scientists. ...

    Nope. She's giving her own misunderstood take on what she thinks the scientists might be saying. At least one IPCC scientist has called out that this type of ****e is doing more harm than good. She's a young kid ffs who has no experience and hasn't even finished her education and skips school. Fuking wonderful and we've people treating her like she's the new messiah :rolleyes: whys it bad? Because it's clearly causing hysteria.

    This thread is an example why this particular kid shouldn't be encouraged tbh. There's those with their head in the sand over this for sure


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    #428
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    DanDan6592 wrote: »
    Oh my god. There HAS been a start. Why do you think we have Carbon Taxes? Taxes on plastic bags? Constant news articles about the death of species, the death of the coral reefs, China's attempts to tackle the problem of smog in it's cities etc.

    Have you been burying your head in the sand the previous 20 years?

    No sh*t there has been change. But it hasn't been enough. The plastic bag tax came in around the same time the explosion of the disposable coffee cup and other single use plastics increased in use. The rate of pollution increased therefore over that period.

    If you had a hole in the roof, would you leave a cup under it or move to a bucket when the cup started to look like it wasn't enough?


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    #429
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    DanDan6592 wrote: »
    I don't know what SMH means.

    Political statements are just political statements. Meaningless. And no it isn't different. There was a big hullabaloo after An Inconvenient Truth was released back in 2006, very similar to now.

    Again, what is needed is real actual proposals and solutions. Not yet more activism, not yet more political statements.

    Care to offer any? Real solutions and proposals which will halt the decline in the natural environment highlighted in the UN report above?


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    #430
    20Cent
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    gozunda wrote: »
    Nope. She's giving her own misunderstood take on what she thinks the scientists might be saying. At least one IPCC scientist has called out that this type of ****e is doing more harm than good. She's a young kid ffs who has no experience and hasn't even finished her education and skips school. Fuking wonderful and we've people treating her like she's the new messiah :rolleyes:

    This thread is an example why this particular kid shouldn't be encouraged tbh. There's those with their head in the sand over this for sure

    Calm down. This girl seems to be making you hysterical.

    Out of interest what's your solution?


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    #431
    p1akuw47h5r3it
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    No sh*t there has been change. But it hasn't been enough. The plastic bag tax came in around the same time the explosion of the disposable coffee cup and other single use plastics increased in use. The rate of pollution increased therefore over that period.

    If you had a hole in the roof, would you leave a cup under it or move to a bucket when the cup started to look like it wasn't enough?

    But they came in before Greta the Messiah was around showing there was enough awareness that governments went as far as introducing additional taxes and levy's.

    Saying more needs to be done is not the same as saying we need to actually make an initial start, which is what you originally said.


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    #432
    p1akuw47h5r3it
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    Tell me how wrote: »
    Care to offer any? Real solutions and proposals which will halt the decline in the natural environment highlighted in the UN report above?

    No I don't. And for this reason I won't go around Europe lecturing people that "more needs to be done" without giving an examples of what those things should be, or halting traffic in the city centre.

    I make sure I turn of lights in empty rooms, don't leave my TV or computer on standby, walk when I can. Thats my contribution. I also want to eventually end up in Nuclear Fusion research, and hopefully farther that endeavour.


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    #433
    reg114
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    There is incontrovertible evidence that man is having a catastrophic effect on nature. You can find research papers online to back up that microplastics have been found inside sea-life at the bottom of the deepest oceans on the planet. Species are being catalogued as going extinct every single day. Glaciers in the arctic and the antarctic are receding at faster rates than at any time in recent memory. Levels of CO2 are the highest they have been in millenia, this is easily verified when measuring the co2 in ice from hundreds of meters down in the arctic circle. Modern farming methods are exhausting soil mineral content as is the widespread use of pesticides, fertilisers and insecticides. Seas are being overfished and deforestation exists as it did when today's adults were children 30 years ago.

    The unabated 'progress' of man simple cannot continue in its current guise. Capitalism / commercialism which abhors anything other than a disposable convenience oriented society is in direct opposition to the preservation of this planet. That is not an activist mentality, its not a hippy mentality, it is a bare fact. Time will bear that out.

    The sad thing is despite the increase in attention climate change gets online and in the media in recent years, its still seen as an abstract notion to most people and certainly is far from a priority in the minds of short termist politicians who only think about the next ballot.

    America, South america, Europe, Russia, India and China need to take action on this now. But they wont.


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    #434
    gozunda
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    20Cent wrote: »
    Calm down. This girl seems to be making you hysterical. Out of interest what's your solution?

    Lol. You're the one that keeps screaming that she's the best thing since sliced bread. That's what's hysterical, hysterically funny. Solution - don't set the kid up as a heroine.


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    #435
    20Cent
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    gozunda wrote: »
    Lol. You're the one that keeps screaming that she's the best thing since sliced bread. That's what's hysterical, hysterically funny. Solution - don't set the kid up as a heroine.

    No one has.
    It's all in your mind.
    She's just one voice amongst many.
    The different voices reach different demographics.


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    #436
    gozunda
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    20Cent wrote: »
    No one has.
    It's all in your mind. She's just one voice amongst many. The different voices reach different demographics.

    Lol. That's not what been said. You're the one that keeps banging on about how great Greta is
    Greta is bringing the public awareness. 
    She has brought it to the attention of a lot of people and inspired a lot of young people in particular
    Etc etc

    Don't think anyone is going to persuade you :rolleyes:


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    #437
    20Cent
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    gozunda wrote: »
    Lol. That's not what you said. You're the one that keeps banging on about how great Greta is


    Etc etc

    Don't think anyone is going to persuade you :rolleyes:

    Think she is great, but don't see anyone claiming she's the messiah etc.


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    #438
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    DanDan6592 wrote: »
    No I don't. And for this reason I won't go around Europe lecturing people that "more needs to be done" without giving an examples of what those things should be, or halting traffic in the city centre.

    I make sure I turn of lights in empty rooms, don't leave my TV or computer on standby, walk when I can. Thats my contribution. I also want to eventually end up in Nuclear Fusion research, and hopefully farther that endeavour.

    Enough said. You think something needs to be done, but aren't doing anything. Greta thinks something needs to be done, and is doing what she can.

    And, she has created more awareness and those in a position to enact policy have reacted to what she has done.


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    #439
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    gozunda wrote: »
    Lol. You're the one that keeps screaming that she's the best thing since sliced bread. That's what's hysterical, hysterically funny. Solution - don't set the kid up as a heroine.

    You are the only one who is referring to her in this way. More strawman stuff.


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    #440
    p1akuw47h5r3it
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    Tell me how wrote: »
    Enough said. You think something needs to be done, but aren't doing anything. Greta thinks something needs to be done, and is doing what she can.

    And, she has created more awareness and those in a position to enact policy have reacted to what she has done.

    I am doing something. Did you read the 2nd part of my post? Have another read of it.

    I do small little things that add up to make a big difference, and want to get involved in Nuclear Fusion research which is effectively a green energy source in the future. Try improving your comprehension ability.

    Nothing of real note has enacted since she came to prominence. Declaring a climate emergency means **** all. It's not legally binding and noone even knows exactly what it means as there is no definition of what it means.

    She hasn't created more awareness. The awareness was already there. I've already pointed this out to you.


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    #441
    gozunda
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    Lol. Oh you are wrong. Hope you can read Swedish. This is Limhamn Church of Sweden lauding her as Jesus's successor...

    https://twitter.com/Limhamnskyrka/status/1068826078498758656?s=20

    Here's the Google translation
    Announcement! Jesus of Nazareth has now appointed one of his successors, Greta Thunberg.

    The Pope must have been impressed when he had his audience with her ...

    Some of the members of the church were less than impressed however
    No. She's totally not. She is an uneducated, indoctrinated child, greatly misused by her parents. You should really understand it better before putting more wood to this fire. Have you completely lost your judgement?'


    The way she's treating world leaders and her behaviour looks like she believes some of this **** as well.


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    #442
    p1akuw47h5r3it
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    gozunda wrote: »
    Lol. Oh you are wrong. Hope you can read Swedish. This is Limhamn Church of Sweden lauding her as Jesus's successor...

    https://twitter.com/Limhamnskyrka/status/1068826078498758656?s=20

    Here's the Google translation



    The Pope must have been impressed when he had his audience with her ...

    Some of the members of the church were less than impressed tbh.

    The way she's treating world leaders and her behaviour looks like she believes some of this **** as well.

    She's been put forward for consideration for the Nobel Peace Prize aswell. Jesus wept. An award that the likes of Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther-king have won (although it's lost it's prestige since then).

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/14/greta-thunberg-nominated-nobel-peace-prize


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    #443
    20Cent
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    gozunda wrote: »
    Lol. Oh you are wrong. Hope you can read Swedish. This is Limhamn Church of Sweden lauding her as Jesus's successor...

    https://twitter.com/Limhamnskyrka/status/1068826078498758656?s=20

    Here's the Google translation



    The Pope must have been impressed when he had his audience with her ...

    Some of the members of the church were less than impressed tbh.



    https://mobile.twitter.com/ninaragnhild/status/1069324974715019265

    The way she's treating world leaders and her behaviour looks like she believes some of this **** as well.


    https://twitter.com/Limhamnskyrka/status/1069517592530956288?s=19

    Link to an definition of succeed and it's nuances.


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    #444
    gozunda
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    20Cent wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/Limhamnskyrka/status/1069517592530956288?s=19
    Link to an definition of succeed and it's nuances.

    'Nuances'? Lol. You're the one claiming she wasn't being hailed as such. I've showed you indeed she has been. Tbh you'd argue with a signpost that you're right. You're on you're own sunshine trying to claim black is white ...


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    #445
    20Cent
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    gozunda wrote: »
    'Nuances'? Lol. You're the one claiming she wasn't being hailed as such. I've showed you indeed she has been. Tbh you'd argue with a signpost that you're right. You're on you're own sunshine.

    One tweet that is clearly made with humour is your evidence that she is being hailed as a new messiah.


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    #446
    gozunda
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    20Cent wrote: »
    One tweet that is clearly made with humour is your evidence that she is being hailed as a new messiah.

    Signpost! Lol...


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    #447
    20Cent
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    Right wing media claiming Greta says she can see CO2 now. They really hate her. Pity they don't pay as much attention to the IPCC report as they do harassing her.


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    #448
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    DanDan6592 wrote: »
    There already is/was public awareness. Climate change has been in the news nearly non-stop for years and years.
    DanDan6592 wrote: »
    I am doing something. Did you read the 2nd part of my post? Have another read of it.

    I do small little things that add up to make a big difference, and want to get involved in Nuclear Fusion research which is effectively a green energy source in the future. Try improving your comprehension ability.

    Hard to believe these posts are by the same person.

    One the one hand, things there is enough awareness of climate problems and can't distinguish between calling for action as opposed to solely creating awareness, on the other, (seemingly) has the intelligence to get involved in nuclear fusion.

    Maybe you are just mad that a 16 year old is stealing the limelight from your future self.


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    #449
    p1akuw47h5r3it
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    20Cent wrote: »
    Right wing media claiming Greta says she can see CO2 now. They really hate her. Pity they don't pay as much attention to the IPCC report as they do harassing her.

    Greta is great for right-wing media as they can ignore the IPCC report and report on her instead.

    Tis yet another reason as to why encouraging her is a problem.


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    #450
    p1akuw47h5r3it
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    Tell me how wrote: »
    Hard to believe these posts are by the same person.

    One the one hand, things there is enough awareness of climate problems and can't distinguish between calling for action as opposed to solely creating awareness, on the other, (seemingly) has the intelligence to get involved in nuclear fusion.

    Maybe you are just mad that a 16 year old is stealing the limelight from your future self.

    Or maybe I've the intelligence to use nuance and to see through the fad, which is what she is.

    I live in Britain at the moment. If I go around lecturing people about the existence of the issue of Brexit, am I raising awareness of the issue, or is already at a point of saturation that being made any more aware isn't possible any longer (i.e. it's already in the news day in day out.)

    Your last sentence may have sounded smart to you but it's doesn't actually make sense. Try harder.


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    #451
    20Cent
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    DanDan6592 wrote: »
    Greta is great for right-wing media as they can ignore the IPCC report and report on her instead.

    Tis yet another reason as to why encouraging her is a problem.

    They'd ignore it anyway.
    Attacking a teenager seems particularly low even for them.


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