Why the sudden hysteria over climate change?

bfa1509

I see a lot of suggestions in this thread about how climate change should be tackled, but haven't seen a single one with any scientific back up on effectiveness. They all seem like a stab in the dark.

Are people actually genuinely fearful about climate change? It's all just so irrational to me. I'd be more worried about infections cropping up that we can't treat or another spanish flu.

Water John

If you agree GHG causes climate change, reducing the amount going into the air is the only remedy we have. Logic dictates, any reduction helps to limit climate change. It's as simple as that.

friendlyfun

Utter ****e here as usual.

waynerooney

bfa1509 wrote: »

I am not denying that global temperatures are increasing, or that ice caps aren't melting, or sea levels not rising etc. (although I am skeptical of how significant the role humans played in all of this). But why all the deranged hysteria all of a sudden? Is there new scientific evidence published?

Just 15-20 years ago the only headline grabbing climate change stories were from Al Gore's spurious catastrophic predictions for the future (many of which failed to occur of course). But now there is no escaping it. We are being bombarded with climate crisises left, right and centre all of a sudden, but they don't seem to have any substantial basis whatsoever. Yet the global hysteria is mind boggling, from huge protests, to bold political promises, to no-meat mondays to Birthstrikers (yes, there are women who refuse to have children because there won't be an earth here for them to grow up on... https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/mar/12/birthstrikers-meet-the-women-who-refuse-to-have-children-until-climate-change-ends)

If someone says that the earth is flat or the moonlandings were faked, or 911 was an inside job, we point and laugh at them, say they need to put on their tin-foil hat and then move their thread to the conspiracy forum. Yet, a climate change activist can spew the most baseless claims and they get applauded and put on a pedestal.

Was I in a coma when all this damning evidence came to light? The world feels the same to me as it did back in the 90s.

it's fashionabe to row in with the climate change crowd

nw5iytvs0lf1uz

Wanderer78 wrote: »

its hard not to be a hypocrite, as not to be may mean a life of misery, possibly even death. i helped make products for the american military, majority, if not all co-workers done so as they had mortgages, kids etc etc. life isnt black or white, we dont all have equal opportunities in life, sometimes, a job is a job, a means to an end

Your point that not all have the same opportunities in life is not true in Ireland
And also It’s easy to not be a hypocrite
Just accept life is unfair but if you are willing to work hard and when necessary be willing to be cutthroat you will provide a good life for your family
And do not apologise for it
I pay enough taxes to fund the lifestyle of a size-able minority of people who live on some government handout or another
A complete waste of my money
I will be ****ed if I will support extra green taxes and policies that are nothing more then socialist plans to more evenly distribute wealth

NIMAN

bfa1509 wrote: »

I see a lot of suggestions in this thread about how climate change should be tackled, but haven't seen a single one with any scientific back up on effectiveness. They all seem like a stab in the dark.

Are people actually genuinely fearful about climate change? It's all just so irrational to me. I'd be more worried about infections cropping up that we can't treat or another spanish flu.

This is a good question.

I'm sure if we go back in history we will see loads of predictions of this will happen, that will happen etc.

I'm not so sure that all the horror stories are going to come to pass, about large sections of Ireland, UK, Europe being flooded. I think a lot of these are the real worst case scenarios, and I would say many will not come to pass.

I have young children and I am sure they will still lead a life similar to the one I had, except maybe their generation and the one behind might be more mindful of the effect their lives are having on the planet than my generation and the ones before me did.

And finally, if Governments would actually make real changes to tackle the issue, people might respect them more. All I can see now is a chance to tax people more under the guise of protecting the environment.

Pa ElGrande

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea5bOaPkZpc

‘We have lost Australia for now,’ warns climate scientist in wake of election upset.

A Climate-Change Drubbing in Australia

Election 2019: What happened to the climate change vote we heard about?

Share market surges on election results after Scott Morrison delivers Coalition win

Hamsterchops

GLOBAL WARMING SCAM .....
according the david icke.

https://youtu.be/MSkNIpNWX0k

moonage

CO2 is the gas of life and not a pollutant. Without CO2 there'd be no plants and without plants no oxygen.

The increased levels are having a wonderful greening effect on the planet. We shouldn't be afraid of increasing CO2 levels and certainly shouldn't be trying to decrease them.

mickoneill31

moonage wrote: »

CO2 is the gas of life and not a pollutant. Without CO2 there'd be no plants and without plants no oxygen.

The increased levels are having a wonderful greening effect on the planet. We shouldn't be afraid of increasing CO2 levels and certainly shouldn't be trying to decrease them.

Good to see that the desert areas of Australia have suddenly sprouted greenery.
What's that image meant to represent?

blinding

This Climate Change Bubble is Middle and Upper Class people attempting to dictate to poor people what to do . This is why it is doomed to failure . You notice that they are not saying that Wealth and Super Wealth is a huge cause of these ‘ problems ‘

We might as well be honest about if all this climate change is true the only way it will be dealt is through Science and Technology . Human beings are not willing to make the changes to their lives supposedly needed . The wealthy and super wealthy are not willing to give up their wealth ; Thats for sure .

Pa ElGrande

blinding wrote: »

This Climate Change Bubble is Middle and Upper Class people attempting to dictate to poor people what to do . This is why it is doomed to failure . You notice that they are not saying that Wealth and Super Wealth is a huge cause of these ‘ problems ‘

We might as well be honest about if all this climate change is true the only way it will be dealt is through Science and Technology . Human beings are not willing to make the changes to their lives supposedly needed . The wealthy and super wealthy are not willing to give up their wealth ; Thats for sure .

That does seem to be the case


Election 2019: What happened to the climate change vote we heard about?

But in this case and in other inner-city seats, support for climate action looks broadly consistent with a 'post-materialist' sensibility.

Here the emphasis on quality of life over immediate economic and physical needs encourages a focus on issues like climate change. But this is a sensibility that speaks to those in higher socio-economic brackets, and principally with higher levels of education.

It isn't particularly applicable to regional Queensland, for example, especially when constituents in the latter view large scale mining operations as a crucial potential source of income and employment.

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In this election, Australians were suddenly faced with a prospective Labor Government ready with a suite of measures to tackle climate change.

And they were presented with an account of these measures as a devastating economic blow to Australian prosperity and growth.

However discredited much of this modelling ultimately was, and the broader fear campaign about everything from electricity prices to the end of petrol-based cars, it raised the spectre of immediate economic sacrifice for Australians.

source

bfa1509

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

‘We have lost Australia for now,’ warns climate scientist in wake of election upset.
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Thankfully "Climate scientist" is not the person that chooses who represents us in government. Yet another reason to move to Australia.

20Cent

Glad I got to see the great barrier reef before it goes.

blinding

Just think : One of the people pushing this Climate change agenda flew from Los Angeles to London to protest about climate change . Extinction Rebellion disrupted Public Transport ( the greenest way to get about ) in London as a protest against climate change ! If there thinking and actions are this dumb how dumb is the stuff they are spouting about climate change .

Middle and Upper Class people pontificating to poor people about what to do while being unwilling to part with their own wealth !

Its no wonder the australians said Boll-ocks !

blinding

20Cent wrote: »

Glad I got to see the great barrier reef before it goes.

Dis you fly down there to see it ? Greenest !

20Cent

blinding wrote: »

Dis you fly down there to see it ? Greenest !

Hamsterchops

......people are also confusing the effects of atmospheric climate change also known as 'climate change' with what's going on at ground level.

Take deforestation for example, or the massive decline in bees, birds insects & fish stocks in recent years. All to often these man made problems get intertwined with what's happening with our climate way up in the earth's atmosphere.

Man sprays the crops, hence our insect population is disappearing, we overfish the seas so our fish stocks are dwindling, thanks to industrial farming methods we rip out hedgerows on farms, so our bird populations are on a steady decline, we also destroy hundreds of acres of forest on a daily basis in South America, all of which can be avoided and reversed ........... I would however suggest that "Climate change" cannot be so easily changed, certainly if the earth itself is already on a warm up cycle which it does automatically every few thousand years.

blinding

In fairness if the Super Wealthy and the wealthy produced the Spondulicks to pay for the stuff they are spouting I’d be inclined to pay more attention .

Until they divvy up maybe they don’t actually really really really believes its that important .

Show me the Money , Money Bags . I’m a Material Climate Person .

CalamariFritti

Lads its not believe and drivel and unsubstantiated claims. Its the universally held position based on scientific analysis and conclusion of basically all of the relevant scientists in the entire world. Except for like 0.3% of nut jobs or such. Basically what we accept as scientific fact.

Just because there are still starlings in your backyard and they don't have three heads and the tree is still green and not yellow and black doesn't mean something bad isn't happening. And basing your belief on 'my world still looks the same' isn't going to sway me over I'm afraid. That only puts people firmly in the bracket of nut jobs and conspiracy lunatics which they so readily attribute to the science side without anything more than their 'belief'.

20Cent

Regarding the cost involved in going green and taking action against climate change the cost of fossil fuel subsidies is massive "Globally, subsidies remained large at $4.7 trillion (6.3 percent of global GDP) in 2015 and are projected at $5.2 trillion (6.5 percent of GDP) in 2017". IMF report.

https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WP/Issues/2019/05/02/Global-Fossil-Fuel-Subsidies-Remain-Large-An-Update-Based-on-Country-Level-Estimates-46509

SirGerryAdams

Al Gore has spent decades warning about the consequences of climate change and demanding action. A highly intelligent man who has been VP of the US. No one gave a damn.

Then along came a 15 year old autist kid who had famous parents looking to sell a book and suddenly everyone is going crazy about climate change.

These school marches, kids are being brainwashed by their parents. Young kids about 7 or 8 talking about we need to take action within 12 years (very precise btw) who are just parroting their parents and teachers. There have been scientific studies and reports for years saying "irreversible by X".

https://www.eolss.net/worldscientist.aspx

Above is a report saying food demand will exceed supply in Asia by 2010. I don't believe there's a shortage?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2004/feb/22/usnews.theobserver

Here is another report from 2000 saying Britain will be "siberian" by 2020 and that there'll be nuclear warfar and cities will be under water.

Not looking likely to happen in a year is it?

I don't contest that climate change is happening. I think it's inevitable due to humans using resources to survive and entropy decreasing all the time. I have a severe problem with people thinking that climate change can be fought off by simply banning single use plastics or Lidl having a recycling area or bananas being sold in paper instead of plastic now or McDonalds using paper straws.

All of that is wishy washy and just a way for people to pretend like they're saving the planet.

If you want to reduce climate change, you need drastic actions that impact lives and potentially reduce standards of living.

1. Ban unneccessary flights. No jetting off to Malaga for a week.

2. Ban ICE cars and replace them with electric.

3. Restrict population growth. Look at Ireland, planning for 1m more by 2040. That means we have to cut emissions by about 20% JUST to stay at todays emissions levels.

Of course none of the above will ever happen because there'll be talks of job losses, the massive costs needed to buy electric cars and chargers, people will not want to give up having babies.

People only want to tackle climate change by having no effect on their lives.

I wonder how popular climate change action would be if everything was 20% more expensive tomorrow. I don't think anyone wants more cost. If you want me to use an electric car, it CAN'T be more expensive than my current mode of transport.

Just like they want to ban turf cutting. People in rural Ireland could heat their homes for 500 quid a year. Ban the turf and you're talking about installing boilers and spending several thousand on oil every year. That's a cost of maybe 10k up front and 2-3k every year after. Want me to stop cutting turf? Install boilers for free and have my heating cost 500 or less a year. I'm on this planet once, why should it be made into a more painful experience for me?

SirGerryAdams

Ryu Hayabusa wrote: »

This is a generation defining decision, Will we be the generation to save the ecosystem and prevent destruction of habitat and extinction of tiger, polar bears, whales etc or be forever known as the ones who stood by and ignored

Animals have become extinct all throughout the history of the planet. Why do people think that's not going to continue to happen?

SirGerryAdams

markodaly wrote: »

As to the topic itself, well it is beyond dispute that humans are slowly but surely destroying the natural environment and along with it, its animal and plant species that we depend on.

It's not hysteria, it's just a recognition that in order to save the natural environment we will have to take some action and sooner rather than later.
Simple things like banning single-use plastics is one thing that can be done. Carbon taxes would be another. Taxing carbon intensive foods, like Brazilian Beef would be another.

It is also no harm for people to examine their own lifestyle and personal contribution to the problem, as it will take collective action to change. That would mean eating less imported meat as one example and sourcing more local foods.

Farmers are denial mode though. A bunch of them called Leo Varadkar a Vegan in Cork the other day, even though he eats meat on a regular basis, but had the audacity to state that he personally would be eating less red meat... oh the horror!
They would need to cop on and not look like the DUP in their dinosaur outlook at life and anti-intellectualism.

This is why we have arch contrarians posting here, because they feel threatened.

Get rid of your avocados so then? Wonder how that would go down...

ednwireland

SirGerryAdams wrote: »

If you want to reduce climate change, you need drastic actions that impact lives and potentially reduce standards of living.

1. Ban unneccessary flights. No jetting off to Malaga for a week.

2. Ban ICE cars and replace them with electric.

3. Restrict population growth. Look at Ireland, planning for 1m more by 2040. That means we have to cut emissions by about 20% JUST to stay at todays emissions levels.

Just like they want to ban turf cutting. People in rural Ireland could heat their homes for 500 quid a year. Ban the turf and you're talking about installing boilers and spending several thousand on oil every year. That's a cost of maybe 10k up front and 2-3k every year after. Want me to stop cutting turf? Install boilers for free and have my heating cost 500 or less a year. I'm on this planet once, why should it be made into a more painful experience for me?

1 agree
2 not far enough ban cars would probably be better
3 agree biggest use of carbon you can do as a person is have a child

banning turf cutting is nothing to do with climate change (although stripping carbon sinks probably isnt the best idea) but it is about getting you to buy taxed controlled fuel sources whether thats fossil fuels or wood pellets.

i suspect nothing will really change apart form the lower an d middle classes paying higher and higher taxes until theres a catastrophic event where several cities end up under water at the same time (one wouldnt be enough)
and even then .......

SirGerryAdams

ednwireland wrote: »

1 agree
2 not far enough ban cars would probably be better
3 agree biggest use of carbon you can do as a person is have a child

banning turf cutting is nothing to do with climate change (although stripping carbon sinks probably isnt the best idea) but it is about getting you to buy taxed controlled fuel sources whether thats fossil fuels or wood pellets.

i suspect nothing will really change apart form the lower an d middle classes paying higher and higher taxes until theres a catastrophic event where several cities end up under water at the same time (one wouldnt be enough)
and even then .......

Yeah I mean people have used the tax argument as a way of making us buy local. Talk of putting tarriffs on carbon intensive products like brazilian beef and we should buy local.

Everyone can buy local. The people have decided they don't want to which shows how much people care about it. I can go to my local town and there's a lad with a tiny stall selling his local products. But people choose to go to Lidl and buy their carrots for 50c.

How many of those marching on streets buy local produce only? Why wait for governments to force you?

Politicians around europe must be licking their lips that people are essentially out protesting for an increase in taxes.

friendlyfun

blinding wrote: »

Just think : One of the people pushing this Climate change agenda flew from Los Angeles to London to protest about climate change . Extinction Rebellion disrupted Public Transport ( the greenest way to get about ) in London as a protest against climate change ! If there thinking and actions are this dumb how dumb is the stuff they are spouting about climate change .

Middle and Upper Class people pontificating to poor people about what to do while being unwilling to part with their own wealth !

Its no wonder the australians said Boll-ocks !

Its not an agenda. Its a broad consensus from the vast majority of scientists around the world. The only ones who have an agenda are those in fossil fuels industry that try to discredit it.

Thelonious Monk

SirGerryAdams wrote: »

Get rid of your avocados so then? Wonder how that would go down...

I have enjoyed avocado in a sandwich but if I never ate one again I wouldn't give a f*ck. We should promote local foods instead, or at least keep it to European foods. We're always going to have to import some foods, but whether we need asparagus from Peru in the middle of Winter or not is a different story.

Thelonious Monk

SirGerryAdams wrote: »

Everyone can buy local. The people have decided they don't want to which shows how much people care about it. I can go to my local town and there's a lad with a tiny stall selling his local products. But people choose to go to Lidl and buy their carrots for 50c.

They're probably still grown in Ireland though

SirGerryAdams

SirGerryAdams wrote: »

Al Gore has spent decades warning about the consequences of climate change and demanding action. A highly intelligent man who has been VP of the US. No one gave a damn.

Then along came a 15 year old autist kid who had famous parents looking to sell a book and suddenly everyone is going crazy about climate change.

These school marches, kids are being brainwashed by their parents. Young kids about 7 or 8 talking about we need to take action within 12 years (very precise btw) who are just parroting their parents and teachers. There have been scientific studies and reports for years saying "irreversible by X".

https://www.eolss.net/worldscientist.aspx

Above is a report saying food demand will exceed supply in Asia by 2010. I don't believe there's a shortage?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2004/feb/22/usnews.theobserver

Here is another report from 2000 saying Britain will be "siberian" by 2020 and that there'll be nuclear warfar and cities will be under water.

Not looking likely to happen in a year is it?

I don't contest that climate change is happening. I think it's inevitable due to humans using resources to survive and entropy decreasing all the time. I have a severe problem with people thinking that climate change can be fought off by simply banning single use plastics or Lidl having a recycling area or bananas being sold in paper instead of plastic now or McDonalds using paper straws.

All of that is wishy washy and just a way for people to pretend like they're saving the planet.

If you want to reduce climate change, you need drastic actions that impact lives and potentially reduce standards of living.

1. Ban unneccessary flights. No jetting off to Malaga for a week.

2. Ban ICE cars and replace them with electric.

3. Restrict population growth. Look at Ireland, planning for 1m more by 2040. That means we have to cut emissions by about 20% JUST to stay at todays emissions levels.

Of course none of the above will ever happen because there'll be talks of job losses, the massive costs needed to buy electric cars and chargers, people will not want to give up having babies.

People only want to tackle climate change by having no effect on their lives.

I wonder how popular climate change action would be if everything was 20% more expensive tomorrow. I don't think anyone wants more cost. If you want me to use an electric car, it CAN'T be more expensive than my current mode of transport.

Just like they want to ban turf cutting. People in rural Ireland could heat their homes for 500 quid a year. Ban the turf and you're talking about installing boilers and spending several thousand on oil every year. That's a cost of maybe 10k up front and 2-3k every year after. Want me to stop cutting turf? Install boilers for free and have my heating cost 500 or less a year. I'm on this planet once, why should it be made into a more painful experience for me?

You forgot to add excessive consumerism and unnecessary global trade to that list, why send stuff half the way around the planet when it can be locally made.