Why the sudden hysteria over climate change?

inocybe

seamus wrote: »

Your employer will have to raise their prices to pay your increased expenses.

Get real.

bfa1509

As someone mentioned earlier, the Green party is little more than a socialist trojan horse (the horse being climate change).

It's ironic that the Green Party contributed to the crippling billions of euro we need to pay back to Europe after the recession and now they will likely be taking even more to pay into europe in the form of "Carbon tax". All in the name of preventing climate change - in which humans have no proven control over.

A Green Party government is more of a threat to civilisation than climate change ever could be.

blinding

The Greens in action would turn you sick , green sick .

batgoat

bfa1509 wrote: »

As someone mentioned earlier, the Green party is little more than a socialist trojan horse (the horse being climate change).

It's ironic that the Green Party contributed to the crippling billions of euro we need to pay back to Europe after the recession and now they will likely be taking even more to pay into europe in the form of "Carbon tax". All in the name of preventing climate change - in which humans have no proven control over.

A Green Party government is more of a threat to civilisation than climate change ever could be.

All indications are that we do influence the climate to an incredibly negative degree. In the long term, generations to come will end up paying for the damage that we've done. Reducing it is a reasonable step and coordinating at an EU wide scale is the best way to do it. We're unlikely to ever have the Greens in government outside of a coalition so climate change remains a far bigger threat.

Anyway, the people have spoken. Ireland did not swing to the far right but has taken steps to influence the discussing on climate change at an EU scale.

Water John

I can see the Climate Plan that's to be announced in a few weeks being furiously rewritten.

seamus

inocybe wrote: »

Get real.

Then that employer will go out of business.

There is literally nothing more important right now than tackling climate change. There is absolutely nothing off the table when it comes to it. If that means having to go as far as abandoning diesel and petrol altogether and banning private vehicles, then so be it.

Because if we don't throw the kitchen sink at this problem, there's no point in anything. People whining about driving to work is irrelevant if there's no ****ing humans left in two centuries.

Get on board or get out of the way.

OK, we've see lots of talk about the problem (or perceived problem), so what is the plan realistically going to be?

I see one ( of many) critical issue that must be addressed, that is of excessive consumerism.

This can be tackled by insisting that manufacturers or importers list on their products: -

The design life, using a A to F rating similar to the energy efficiency charts (short lived products will have the worst rating) Ease of repairability Length of time the product will be supported for after manufacture

These labels will be created by testing the products by an independent consumer test team and will determine which products are being designed to fail prematurely and also those that are designed to be unrepairable.

Then these (designed to fail) products can be taxed higher to provide an incentive to manufacturers to design durable long lived products that will have the long-term benefit reducing waste in both their manufacture and disposal.

Instead of making five crappy washing machines that are junk after five years each, they are encouraged (by taxation) to make quality machines that lasy 25 years, then only one machine is junked.

This would represent an 80% reduction of CO2 emission across the board for these products life cycle.

Tackling excessive consumerism will go a long way to reducing the environmental impact of humans on the planet.

Water John

The weakness in a lot of consumer goods is not the general structural build but the electrical switching and micro processors. You are correct, these should both more robust and easily repairable. Very little cost at manufacture.

A good point but is just one of hundreds of such changes that all need to be integrated.

Water John

Water John wrote: »

The weakness in a lot of consumer goods is not the general structural build but the electrical switching and micro processors. You are correct, these should both more robust and easily repairable. Very little cost at manufacture.

A good point but is just one of hundreds of such changes that all need to be integrated.

Yes, many very simple changes in the design can extend the life of a product many times over, for example ball bearings instead of sleeve bearings for example or changing the position of components on a circuit board to improve their cooling and using slightly higher rated devices as well will extend the life of the product substantially.

Nikki Sixx

jonnny68 wrote: »

Middle class millennials think its trendy to drone on about climate change they haven't really a clue what they are taking about ,reminds me of a few years ago when the fairtrade thing was trendy and the kids all latched onto it, you rarely hear anything about it now.

Inevitably this climate thing will slowly be forgotten about until the next "trendy" subject gets their attention.

SAD BUT TRUE.

I feel the same, they love ramming their views down your throat about plastic, etc.

blinding

Nikki Sixx wrote: »

I feel the same, they love ramming their views down your throat about plastic, etc.

Funnily Enough , Most of them are Plastic Greens .;)

inocybe

seamus wrote: »

Then that employer will go out of business.

There is literally nothing more important right now than tackling climate change. There is absolutely nothing off the table when it comes to it. If that means having to go as far as abandoning diesel and petrol altogether and banning private vehicles, then so be it.

Because if we don't throw the kitchen sink at this problem, there's no point in anything. People whining about driving to work is irrelevant if there's no ****ing humans left in two centuries.

Get on board or get out of the way.

Hysterical crap.climate change won’t wipe out humanity. Overpopulation, war and disease will. Meanwhile the poor will bear all the brunt of this retarded carbon tax, while the smug rich planet savers drive around in their brand new hybrids. If there needs to be massive social upheaval like you want, it needs to start at the very top. Close Dublin airport for a start - that will ‘save’ the planet more than stopping rural Ireland from getting to work.

20Cent

inocybe wrote: »

Hysterical crap.climate change won’t wipe out humanity. Overpopulation, war and disease will. Meanwhile the poor will bear all the brunt of this retarded carbon tax, while the smug rich planet savers drive around in their brand new hybrids. If there needs to be massive social upheaval like you want, it needs to start at the very top. Close Dublin airport for a start - that will ‘save’ the planet more than stopping rural Ireland from getting to work.

A couple of cent on a litre of petrol isn't going to put anyone out of work.

Mad_maxx

seamus wrote: »

Then that employer will go out of business.

There is literally nothing more important right now than tackling climate change. There is absolutely nothing off the table when it comes to it. If that means having to go as far as abandoning diesel and petrol altogether and banning private vehicles, then so be it.

Because if we don't throw the kitchen sink at this problem, there's no point in anything. People whining about driving to work is irrelevant if there's no ****ing humans left in two centuries.

Get on board or get out of the way.

Can see agriculture being front and centre in this, farmers think they have it bad now

Mad_maxx

inocybe wrote: »

Hysterical crap.climate change won’t wipe out humanity. Overpopulation, war and disease will. Meanwhile the poor will bear all the brunt of this retarded carbon tax, while the smug rich planet savers drive around in their brand new hybrids. If there needs to be massive social upheaval like you want, it needs to start at the very top. Close Dublin airport for a start - that will ‘save’ the planet more than stopping rural Ireland from getting to work.

Airplanes don't contribute to the bulk of our Co2 emissions, cows do

jackboy

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Airplanes don't contribute to the bulk of our Co2 emissions, cows do

Cows are far more useful and important than airplanes.

KSU

jackboy wrote: »

Cows are far more useful and important than airplanes.

On an island which relies heavily on Export/Import me thinks not.

https://tradingeconomics.com/ireland/exports-by-category
https://tradingeconomics.com/ireland/imports-by-category

jackboy

KSU wrote: »

On an island which relies heavily on Export/Import me thinks not.

https://tradingeconomics.com/ireland/exports-by-category
https://tradingeconomics.com/ireland/imports-by-category

But sure if we want to tackle climate change then most of the export/import activities will have to stop. Or, should we just pretend to tackle climate change by increasing taxes.

Mad_maxx

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Airplanes don't contribute to the bulk of our Co2 emissions, cows do

Yes, but cows are in fields that are full of grass & other plants which absorb CO2 so therefore a closed loop.
This really is bullshit to say that cows are causing such problems, it is of course a diversion to stop people thinking about what corporations are doing elsewhere.

Water John

Agricultural effects on climate change needs further research as different models give widely different results. Cows mainly produce methane not carbon dioxide. There is only the beginnings of research on reducing this, eg seaweed supplement. Soil has a possible big contribution to make in the form of carbon sequestrisation.
Air traffic is 2.5% of global emissions.

KSU

jackboy wrote: »

But sure if we want to tackle climate change then most of the export/import activities will have to stop. Or, should we just pretend to tackle climate change by increasing taxes.

Sure kill off half the population, destroy cities and lets get back to living off the land. Humans living too long these days with all those imported pharmaceuticals.

Paleo diets are the answer the the worlds woes

Loren Cordain will be happy

DrSpongeBobz

game over

Jimmy Garlic

seamus wrote: »

Then that employer will go out of business.

There is literally nothing more important right now than tackling climate change. There is absolutely nothing off the table when it comes to it. If that means having to go as far as abandoning diesel and petrol altogether and banning private vehicles, then so be it.

Because if we don't throw the kitchen sink at this problem, there's no point in anything. People whining about driving to work is irrelevant if there's no ****ing humans left in two centuries.

Get on board or get out of the way.

The commies (The Greens etc) would love that. It would remind them of the good old days when barely anyone in the Soviet Union had a car unless they were well connected. Do you want to set up climate gulags/re-education camps too to get rid of the deniers?

jackboy

KSU wrote: »

Sure kill off half the population, destroy cities and lets get back to living off the land. Humans living too long these days with all those imported pharmaceuticals.

Paleo diets are the answer the the worlds woes

Loren Cordain will be happy

Well some posters are saying that there is nothing more important than tackling climate change. There is also now widespread belief that we have just 12 years to prevent irreversible climate change.

SirGerryAdams

Quite a coincidence that the whole climate strike thing started months before an EU election innit?

Almost overnight kids started parroting what they were told about the earth dying in the next 12 years. The whole thing reeks of propaganda as people know kids will believe what they're told.

It's very much a politics of fear. Tell kids they have 12 years to save the planet, get them scared and frightened. Kids will be listened to as no one is going to criticise a kid

SirGerryAdams

jackboy wrote: »

Well some posters are saying that there is nothing more important than tackling climate change. There is also now widespread belief that we have just 12 years to prevent irreversible climate change.

You are correct, people say climate change is more important than anything else, so let's divert some budget from the health service to climate action. Let's take some budget from housing to put towards it. Let's cancel all sports funding as sure sport is pointless if the earth is dead.

Thoughts?

KSU

jackboy wrote: »

Well some posters are saying that there is nothing more important than tackling climate change. There is also now widespread belief that we have just 12 years to prevent irreversible climate change.

There was also a widespread belief following the Rio Climate Summit in 1992 that we only had 10 years.

SirGerryAdams wrote: »

Let's take some budget from housing to put towards it. Let's cancel all sports funding as sure sport is pointless if the earth is dead.

Funnily this would actually have a big impact given that manufacturing (including construction) which is said to make up roughly 20% of global green house emissions. Reduce housing would have an impact moreso than reducing air travel (although maybe not as much as climate change activist Leo Di Caprio's carbon footprint)

jackboy

SirGerryAdams wrote: »

You are correct, people say climate change is more important than anything else, so let's divert some budget from the health service to climate action. Let's take some budget from housing to put towards it. Let's cancel all sports funding as sure sport is pointless if the earth is dead.

Thoughts?

If climate change is more important than anything else and we just have 12 years before we are doomed, then those actions are nowhere near going far enough.

The discussion on whether man made climate change is real or not is pointless. For those who believe in 12 years to prevent Armageddon, the discussion needs to be on whether we are prepared to immediately and completely change our lives for the worse in order for humans to survive on this planet.

SirGerryAdams

jackboy wrote: »

If climate change is more important than anything else and we just have 12 years before we are doomed, then those actions are nowhere near going far enough.

The discussion on whether man made climate change is real or not is pointless. For those who believe in 12 years to prevent Armageddon, the discussion needs to be on whether we are prepared to immediately and completely change our lives for the worse in order for humans to survive on this planet.

Exactly. But people think drinking out of paper straws at McDonalds is saving the planet.

KSU

SirGerryAdams wrote: »

Exactly. But people think drinking out of paper straws at McDonalds is saving the planet.

Not all heroes wear capes

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/leonardo-dicaprio-flies-8000-miles-in-private-jet-to-accept-green-award-a7042326.html