Why the sudden hysteria over climate change?

blinding

blinding wrote: »

Would the Big Money Men not already have bought up whatever Technologies that they believe / know will be the Technologies of the future ?

How do we know for certain that they are not in control of some of the Green Lobby Brigade ?:eek:

Well, just look at the "clean diesel" campaigns a decade or so ago, no prizes for guessing where that was driven from.


2005 (or thereabouts)



Too much diesel and not enough petrol being produced, must redress the balance, claim diesel is cleaner because of lower CO2 (while ignoring all the pollutants),campaign for governments to promote diesel cars.


2017 (approx) job done!

Jimmy Garlic

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Arctic permafrost meltdown

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jun/18/arctic-permafrost-canada-science-climate-crisis

Why do you think the Vikings called the place Greenland? Their settlements failed there because it got colder.

cournioni

sk8erboii wrote: »

What about scientists with PhD’s publicizing their research? Is that unbelievable to you? In my experience, most skeptics were people who have not taken a single science class after secondary school.

Most important question has to be, who is paying them?

uck51js9zml2yt

Seas are warming. Antarctic ice caps are melting.

There are 90+ active volcanoes under the Antarctic.

I wonder what's causing the ice to melt???....doh!!

the-island-man

monseiur wrote: »

Folks pause and think about this for minute......The last ice age was approx. 10,000 years ago. ''They'' tell us that all of northern Europe etc. etc. was under metres of ice and eventually it gradually started to melt...........what caused this melt down ??? No doubt some form of global warming..what else !:)
What caused this global warming ??
Should we be surprised if the odd ice cap melts in the twenty first century ?

Some years ago the hole in the ozone layer was the 'big thing' for the dope smoking, tree hugging, muesli eating, sandal wearing, save the planet brigade, then they moved on to ''global warming'' remember that ? Then when their bluff was called they re-invented themselves and now folks it's 'climate change' that's the current buzz word........but it will pass eventually. But sadly in the meantime the poor tax payers of this country will pay a high price, in fact it has the potential to bankrupt the country more than the collapse of the banks did i.e. the demise of the Celtic tiger

Even if Ireland reduces it carbon output to zero to satisfy baying of the snowflake greens and turn the country into a banana republic in the process - consider this small example :

Population of Ireland 5 million
,, of China 1.4 Billion (yes billion !!)
,, of India 1.3 Billion
,, of Bangladesh 165 million

Get the message !

Even if everything you're saying is correct it still makes more economic sense to find ways of producing our energy in a sustainable way.

According to this report by SEAI:
https://www.seai.ie/resources/publications/Energy-Security-in-Ireland-2015.pdf

total cost of energy imports for 2014 were 5.7 billion. I can only hazard a guess that with the continued improvement in the economy since 2014 this figure would have increased.

Also in times like this when the world order seems a bit confusing, the less you have to rely on external factors for your infrastructure to operate the better for the country.

Say my name

monseiur wrote: »

It's not a matter of believing deniers or indeed believing the prophets of doom, it's a matter of having a long term view on how planet earth and it's climate and indeed it's micro climates operate. Our planet is forever evolving and changing from long before what we now call 'civilization' made their presence felt and it will continue to do so for millions of years to come. Indeed it's not possible for it not to.
But coming back to the here and now - if, for example all motorised vehicles (cars etc.) in Ireland, all 2.6 million of them, were replaced in the morning with electric vehicles how would/could that make one iota of difference to global carbon emissions ?? USA has 276 million cars, Russia has 60 million, India 220 million, Japan 80 million, India 210 million, China 340 million....................................
It's like trying to convince the inhabitants of say the smallest of the Aran Islands that if they dump their handful of ICE cars and go all electric they'll save the planet while the rest of Ireland does nothing.
The problem with common sense that unfortunately it's no very common !;)

Iceland had a problem of methane coming from off their municipal dumps and going to waste.
Their solution was to trap that methane and power their public buses on it.
It solved an environmental problem and saved on importing fuel for those buses.
Common sense.

The UK have developed anaerobic digestors on farms to produce methane which mostly produces electricity.
Tractor, lorry and bus manufacturers are just about to start mainstream production of engines powered by methane. It'll start in the next few years. New Holland will launch their tractor in 2020. Farmers will be able to produce their own fuel for their tractors on farm and for the haulage and transport industries.
Common sense?

Montage of Feck

The housing, hospital trolley, migrant and now the environment crisis all solved by covid-19.

Plumbthedepths

Montage of Feck wrote: »

The housing, hospital trolley, migrant and now the environment crisis all solved by covid-19.

Not solved just overshadowed, those problems will be still there after the a vaccine or treatment has been found for Covid 19. Big problem is there will be little or no money in the pot.

Hamsterchops

CO2 production must have been dropping like a stone in the last couple of months, so I am curious to know if this reduction in emissions has reduced the amount in our atmosphere to any great degree?

reg114

Hamsterchops wrote: »

CO2 production must have been dropping like a stone in the last couple of months, so I am curious to know if this reduction in emissions has reduced the amount in our atmosphere to any great degree?

Carbon emissions are a catch all term for emissions into the environment, they dont just refer to CO2, but include other noxious emissions which are much more dangerous to mankind such as NO2 Nitrogen dioxide which is 300 times more efficient at trapping heat.

Global emissions have already dropped because of the universal lockdown, but what will have a greater impact is the economic collapse in the months ahead with global output dropping by a third. A huge contributor to the reduction in emissions will be the drop in global air travel and the inevitable massive falloff in tourism.

The biggest change has been in urban air quality, with the huge drop in traffic. This should give a clear (pun intended) signal why EV's are the way forward for urban transportation, EVs include all vehicle classes, not just cars.
Motorbikes are real pollution generators!

As far as "global warming climate change" is concerned, not so much, to fully reverse that, we would need to return the planet back to where it was about 6000 years ago!
The widespread adoption of clean energy harvesting and stopping deforestation and natural habitat destruction will help but not completely eliminate the human element of climate change, and will have no affect on the natural variations that don't depend on the life on the planet.

Hamsterchops

Why cross out global warming?

Is there a difference between climate change Vs global warming?

Dr. Bre

Have extinction rebellion vanished ?

Hamsterchops

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Why cross out global warming?

Is there a difference between climate change Vs global warming?

Global warming was not ambiguous enough, it was too easy for people to demonstrate areas of cooling. With Climate change they catch all the changes.

Harry Palmr

I see the war in Yemen is suspended for two weeks, so Covid 19 is having all sorts of positive effects.

Dohnjoe

Deleted User wrote: »

the main issue is that for business and economists "growth at any cost" is the aim, growth is non-negotiable.
This growth is the driving force behind all of the increases in CO2, tackling the end result while suppressing the root cause, means that the issue will never get resolved.

This is what I mean and it is the reason why things like excessive consumerism and planned obsolescence are such a major part of the equation.

Just consider how much manufactured stuff the average person now possesses and just how often it is replaced, relative to how often it is actually used.
Now compare that to what a group of people would have possessed back 100 years ago.

Why, for example does every single person in a street "need" a lawnmower, when one person could work full time with one lawnmower and cut all the lawns in the neighbourhood. Doing this would eliminate the waste produced by manufacturing 100 lawnmowers as opposed to one lawnmower.

Because people want to cut their own grass with their own lawnmower. I guarantee if you have a lawn, you have one. It's human nature.

So many ways that the pollution generated by excessive consumerism can be reduced, but all are "bad for business" so they will simply not be discussed by the vested interests.

"Blame the system not us".