Why the sudden hysteria over climate change?

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Dakota Dan wrote: »

All sources you mention are the ones that are exaggerating it.

What evidence have you that this is the case?

Shefwedfan

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What evidence have you that this is the case?

John told him

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Charles Ingles wrote: »

I like a mix of all news to make up my own mind.
Rte, BBC, fox news, RT
Big fan is David icke and Gemma o Dwyer always have very interesting points of view on current events.

Did you mean to say Gemma O'Doherty?

If so, that doesn't surprise me. Not in the slightest.

Also, Fox News? And you are talking about sheep???

Charles Ingles

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Did you mean to say Gemma O'Doherty?

If so, that doesn't surprise me. Not in the slightest.

Also, Fox News? And you are talking about sheep???

So fox news isn't a credible news source? I've heard it all now

YFlyer

Charles Ingles wrote: »

So fox news isn't a credible news source? I've heard it all now

The channel that brings guest on and shouts them down.

Alf Veedersane

NIMAN wrote: »

Exactly.

That's what I keep harking back to. The government has the power to put these simple rules in place, but why aren't they doing it if we are supposedly on the edge of a crisis?

All new social housing getting built in Derry has solar panels. And excellent ber ratings.

And surely all new houses should have no chimneys? There is no future in burning turf, coal etc in homes surely.

Solar makes sense where there is a feed in tariff so you get paid for the elec you don't use thst goes back on the grid. If you're out for most of the day, solar elec has limited value. Solar hot water more so.

Also, big solar elec installations skew a BER rating and make the house look more energy efficient than it is because it credits the solar installation with most of the elec generated being used.

There are grants for energy efficiency but energy isn't a subject people get. A lot of people don't really know if they're using more than they should or not. So spending on energy efficiency doesn't always look like good value to a lot of people.

And then energy efficiency is always framed as how much will it cost me and how much will it save me yet will spend a lot more on a new kitchen etc when it doesn't have a payback but is more aesthetic.

As for chimneys, people want a fire of some description. Even if it isn't needed. It may change over time but even now with new builds people want to see fire.

Charles Ingles

YFlyer wrote: »

The channel that brings guest on and shouts them down.

I don't think so, see a lot of that on rte if the quests aren't left wing liberals.
Fox is balanced enough compared to Rte.
I particularly like tucker carslon

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Charles Ingles wrote: »

So fox news isn't a credible news source? I've heard it all now

No. It isn't.

And, what about Gemma O'Doherty? Did you mean to mention her to say that you find her opinion informative and truthful?

Charles Ingles

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No. It isn't.

And, what about Gemma O'Doherty? Did you mean to mention her to say that you find her opinion informative and truthful?

So who is the credible new source for the "enlightened"?

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Charles Ingles wrote: »

So who is the credible new source for the "enlightened"?

Can you answer the question please.

Do you find Gemma O'Doherty truthful and informative?

Shefwedfan

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No. It isn't.

And, what about Gemma O'Doherty? Did you mean to mention her to say that you find her opinion informative and truthful?

It's those f**king unicorns again isn't it? :eek: they are to blame for global warming

Charles Ingles

Charles Ingles wrote: »

So who is the credible new source for the "enlightened"?

Peer-reviewed scientists. Not a "new" discipline, unless you were born yesterday.

Shefwedfan

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Solar makes sense where there is a feed in tariff so you get paid for the elec you don't use thst goes back on the grid. If you're out for most of the day, solar elec has limited value. Solar hot water more so.

Also, big solar elec installations skew a BER rating and make the house look more energy efficient than it is because it credits the solar installation with most of the elec generated being used.

There are grants for energy efficiency but energy isn't a subject people get. A lot of people don't really know if they're using more than they should or not. So spending on energy efficiency doesn't always look like good value to a lot of people.

And then energy efficiency is always framed as how much will it cost me and how much will it save me yet will spend a lot more on a new kitchen etc when it doesn't have a payback but is more aesthetic.

As for chimneys, people want a fire of some description. Even if it isn't needed. It may change over time but even now with new builds people want to see fire.

Very few new builds in Dublin have a fire. They give you option of a fire but it is more or less a TV screen.



Most new builds I see have Solar as well, checked and local estate has PV on every house, five acre estate


If the government provided a proper incentive to install Solar PV then FiT would not be required. Then the excess power could be used to provide power to the grid and reduce the requirement on solid fuel burning to create electricity.

Vision. Something the irish government and a large percentage of the population seem to lack

Charles Ingles

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Can you answer the question please.

Do you find Gemma O'Doherty truthful and informative?

Yes I do

Charles Ingles

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Peer-reviewed scientists. Not a "new" discipline, unless you were born yesterday.

Not talking about peer reviewed journals talking about daily mainstream news sources

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Charles Ingles wrote: »

So who is the credible new source for the "enlightened"?

Any outlet which references peer reviewed scientific data or presents evidence which is accessible, up to date and relevant, has guests who are qualified and experienced in a particular field, explores both sides of the argument and doesn't seek to forward an agenda.

Fox News and Gemma O'Doherty couldn't even understand the above let alone adhere to it.

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Charles Ingles wrote: »

Yes I do

We're done here. I've no interest having a discussion with a fantasist.

Alf Veedersane

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Very few new builds in Dublin have a fire. They give you option of a fire but it is more or less a TV screen.



Most new builds I see have Solar as well, checked and local estate has PV on every house, five acre estate


If the government provided a proper incentive to install Solar PV then FiT would not be required. Then the excess power could be used to provide power to the grid and reduce the requirement on solid fuel burning to create electricity.

Vision. Something the irish government and a large percentage of the population seem to lack

It's changing re fires but people still want stoves. More so down the country.

Most people have solar cos of the regs. Easy way to tick that box.

A FIT would incentivise people to install solar bigger than self consumption to feed back to the grid. Outside of a FIT its hard to see that happening to any great degree

Charles Ingles

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We're done here. I've no interest having a discussion with a fantasist.

Only fantasists that agree with you.
This is what happens when people live in echo chambers

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Charles Ingles wrote: »

Only fantasists that agree with you.
This is what happens when people live in echo chambers

Here is what I said I value in helping me become informed (bold added).

Tell me how wrote: »

Any outlet which references peer reviewed scientific data or presents evidence which is accessible, up to date and relevant, has guests who are qualified and experienced in a particular field, explores both sides of the argument and doesn't seek to forward an agenda.

Fox News and Gemma O'Doherty couldn't even understand the above let alone adhere to it.

Take care. The 21st century is going to blow your mind when you get as far as it.

Charles Ingles

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Here is what I said I value in helping me become informed (bold added).



Take care. The 21st century is going to blow your mind when you get as far as it.

I'll be dead and buried long before the 21st century arrives my good friend

Shefwedfan

Charles Ingles wrote: »

I'll be dead and buried long before the 21st century arrives my good friend

See everyone doesn’t get the same education

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st_century

sydthebeat

Charles Ingles wrote: »

I'll be dead and buried long before the 21st century arrives my good friend

Oh my god!!

That explains all your posts now.....

LOL

gozunda

Shefwedfan wrote: »

See everyone doesn’t get the same education

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st_century

The university of Wiki?

Shefwedfan

sydthebeat wrote: »

Oh my god!!

That explains all your posts now.....

LOL

Sorry for using this again but it did seem apt

“looking into a field full of thistles”

pjohnson

Charles Ingles wrote: »

I'll be dead and buried long before the 21st century arrives my good friend

I thought claiming Fox News and Gemma O'Doherty were informative was gunna be as funny as things got but nope, it got better.

This is the best post in the whole thread.

tibruit

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So how do you explain cattle dying in the fields at the start of last year because of the extended winter to flip over to one of the warmest summer we ever had?

That was after a period of more storms over a winter I can ever remember and the worst snow storm seen in Ireland in 30 years or so...

This is a classic example of alarmist hysteria where you take an unusual weather event and associate it with global warming. I`m another of these multi-generational farmers a few of ye like to ridicule and the simple answer to the above post is I`ve seen it all before and we`ll see it all again. Over 10 years ago the Shannon flooded and one of the daily papers called it "The Hundred Year Flood". I was telling an old guy I knew who grew up in Limerick in the 50`s about the headline and he just laughed. He`d seen the floods in his youth and said he remembered his father telling him about "floods the height of haycocks" two years in a row before the war.

I remember back in the 80`s when the statues started moving. Yeah right. Hundreds of thousands of people all over the country were claiming that they saw inanimate objects moving. Reminds me a lot of Global Warming alarmists today. A bunch of Chicken Lickens.:rolleyes:

Shefwedfan

tibruit wrote: »

This is a classic example of alarmist hysteria where you take an unusual weather event and associate it with global warming. I`m another of these multi-generational farmers a few of ye like to ridicule and the simple answer to the above post is I`ve seen it all before and we`ll see it all again. Back 8 or 10 years ago the Shannon flooded and one of the daily papers called it "The Hundred Year Flood". I was telling an old guy I knew who grew up in Limerick in the 50`s about the headline and he just laughed. He`d seen the floods in his youth and said he remembered his father telling him about "floods the height of haycocks" two years in a row before the war.

I remember back in the 80`s when the statues started moving. Yeah right. Hundreds of thousands of people all over the country were claiming that they saw inanimate objects moving. Reminds me a lot of Global Warming alarmists today. A bunch of Chicken Lickens.:rolleyes:

I grew up on a farm which is still run in my family.

Are you trying to say the current weather patterns haven’t changed? I did post more details

This morning I woke up to frost in the garden, frost in May, that seem strange to you?

If you look at one thing in isolation then yes of course it happened previously, did you happen to ask the older man if he seen the last 24 months of weather before with a mixture of storms/flooding/snow storm/long mild winters/vey hot summers etc etc

tibruit

Frost in May is not unusual at all.

Charles Ingles

pjohnson wrote: »

I thought claiming Fox News and Gemma O'Doherty were informative was gunna be as funny as things got but nope, it got better.

This is the best post in the whole thread.

Well then the concept of sarcasm goes over your head and most of the others who don't think I know what the 21st century means