Local Elections 2019

is_that_so

Mary Lou on RTE at the moment. She looks tired and "disappointed".

ricero

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

Sinn Fein look like they are being wiped out in many council areas, although hard to get a full picture. They lost so many members, councillors and especially canvassers, it put them in real trouble. Think Mary Lou McDonald will be gone with 12 months at this rate.

I agree.

Pearse Doherty will be leader of Sinn Fein within the next 18 months I feel.

AndrewJRenko

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

Sinn Fein look like they are being wiped out in many council areas, although hard to get a full picture. They lost so many members, councillors and especially canvassers, it put them in real trouble. Think Mary Lou McDonald will be gone with 12 months at this rate.

SF gone from topping the poll in Dundrum ward last time round to bottom candidate this time round, based on the tallies. That's a hell of a drop;


https://twitter.com/FrankMulqueen/status/1132255830890426370

nice_guy80

Sinn Fein getting their deserved vote after spending the last year talking about a border poll that nobody wants and refusing to take their seats in Westminster to have some sort of influence on the UK brexit

L1011

Below aontu AND eirigi is pathetic for SF even in one single ward

tabby aspreme

Sinn Fein's , criticism of everything and solutions to nothing, finally catching up with them.

splinter65

Thurles had a SF rep on Tipp coco for years and years. David Doran. He worked hard I must say for the welfare class in the town, put in the hours and the effort. He quit SF last year when he was told that Mary Lou was not going to allow him to run as a TD at the next GE. Women only I believe he was told.
He’s run this time as an independent and it looks like he’s lost his seat. The girl that ran for SF is not going to get anywhere near enough votes either. So that’s worked out badly for them.

expectationlost

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Sinn Fein getting their deserved vote after spending the last year talking about a border poll that nobody wants and refusing to take their seats in Westminster to have some sort of influence on the UK brexit

none of this is hardly a shock

blackwhite

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

SF gone from topping the poll in Dundrum ward last time round to bottom candidate this time round, based on the tallies. That's a hell of a drop;


https://twitter.com/FrankMulqueen/status/1132255830890426370

Ní Chormaic doesn’t actually live in Dundrum LEA either (despite what the address on her election nomination says). Got the impression that she was going SFA since the last election and it would appear that plenty in the area thought the same thing

AndrewJRenko

blackwhite wrote: »

Ní Chormaic doesn’t actually live in Dundrum LEA either (despite what the address on her election nomination says). Got the impression that she was going SFA since the last election and it would appear that plenty in the area thought the same thing

I live near enough to the area, and I'd follow DLR Council matters fairly closely, but I swear I haven't heard any mention of her name since she got elected. She seemed late putting up posters too, and only a small number of them.

blackwhite

Shane Ross linked independents getting hammered - including Kevin Daly that was as the forefront of the stepaside Garda station campaign. Likely 2 of 3 will miss out

A sign of things to come for Ross in the constituency?

Fan of Netflix

ricero wrote: »

I agree.

Pearse Doherty will be leader of Sinn Fein within the next 18 months I feel.

As someone from a solidly Sinn Fein background I agree he is the stand out. Mary Lou should have replaced Adams 5 years ago. At this rate she is old news. They also need to listen to members and voters, they nearly treat it like an army with top down command! Irish people don't want to be dictated to by anyone these days they usually rebel against that. Which is why SF have lost so many members and now council seats.

blackwhite

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I live near enough to the area, and I'd follow DLR Council matters fairly closely, but I swear I haven't heard any mention of her name since she got elected. She seemed late putting up posters too, and only a small number of them.

Was going by her house early this week and she was unloading a load from her car. Seemed very late to be getting them up alright.

Fan of Netflix

splinter65 wrote: »

Thurles had a SF rep on Tipp coco for years and years. David Doran. He worked hard I must say for the welfare class in the town, put in the hours and the effort. He quit SF last year when he was told that Mary Lou was not going to allow him to run as a TD at the next GE. Women only I believe he was told.
He’s run this time as an independent and it looks like he’s lost his seat. The girl that ran for SF is not going to get anywhere near enough votes either. So that’s worked out badly for them.

Sinn Fein had a great young councillor in Cavan called Eugene Grennan. Mary Lou McDonald then brought in her silly gender quota and stopped him running for GE instead running an unfancied woman. Grennan quit Sinn Fein and politics altogether, resigned from the council. Real shame as he was one of the only councillors Cavan town had of any party. His replacement on the council has lost his seat today.

Sinn Fein in fact may lose every single councillor in Cavan, where they usually do well. Totally wiped out with members too with really counts for canvassing etc. Mary Lou also using the whip for the Abortion vote lost loads of members and activists. FF/FG gave their people a free vote. Mary Lou didn't. I think Sinn Fein and Mary Lou reaped what they sowed today. She should resign but she will hang on until they take more losses in a general election.

L1011

Actually my local SF Cllr - who is gone according to someone at the count centre but no tallies are online so I dunno - also had bog all posters up and weeks later than others.

They were recycled from her 2016 GE run mostly too. No money from HQ?

Fan of Netflix

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

SF gone from topping the poll in Dundrum ward last time round to bottom candidate this time round, based on the tallies. That's a hell of a drop;


https://twitter.com/FrankMulqueen/status/1132255830890426370

To top the humiliation they finish below Aontu ( who wouldn't exist only for Mary Lou) and even Eirigi! :pac:

Ironically Mary Lou's sister was one of the founding members of Eirigi!

mugsymugsy

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

Sinn Fein had a great young councillor in Cavan called Eugene Grennan. Mary Lou McDonald then brought in her silly gender quota and stopped him running for GE instead running an unfancied woman. Grennan quit Sinn Fein and politics altogether, resigned from the council. Real shame as he was one of the only councillors Cavan town had of any party. His replacement on the council has lost his seat today.

Sinn Fein in fact may lose every single councillor in Cavan, where they usually do well. Totally wiped out with members too with really counts for canvassing etc. Mary Lou also using the whip for the Abortion vote lost loads of members and activists. FF/FG gave their people a free vote. Mary Lou didn't. I think Sinn Fein and Mary Lou reaped what they sowed today. She should resign but she will hang on until they take more losses in a general election.

Yeah reading the Anglo celt online the tallies seem to say SF could be wiped out of all Cavan council. Border county in theory should be their stomping ground

AndrewJRenko

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

Sinn Fein had a great young councillor in Cavan called Eugene Grennan. Mary Lou McDonald then brought in her silly gender quota and stopped him running for GE instead running an unfancied woman.

Are you referring the Government's statutory gender quota, or does SF have a more rigorous version?

L1011

My local SF will be gone on the second count

She got a quota last time, didn't top the poll as 3 got quotas. No aontu or anything against her and indeed the PBP candidate who got a fairly decent vote isn't even there this time!

Danzy

SF have had a bad day, as someone said earlier, self inflicted in many ways.

donspeekinglesh

L1011 wrote: »

My local SF will be gone on the second count

She got a quota last time, didn't top the poll as 3 got quotas. No aontu or anything against her and indeed the PBP candidate who got a fairly decent vote isn't even there this time!

That's a pity. I thought she did a decent job for her term. Any idea how the rest of it is looking?

Zaph

Unfortunately the SF candidate here looks like he'll top the poll. On the plus side, the Green candidate looks like he has a chance of the last seat.

Blueshoe

Anyword on the 3 money grabbers shown on prime time willing to accept bribes?

donspeekinglesh

donspeekinglesh wrote: »

That's a pity. I thought she did a decent job for her term. Any idea how the rest of it is looking?

I see on Facebook she's 8th out of 9 based on tallies. 2 Ff, 2 FG & the Labour candidate in the top 5 so far.

L1011

donspeekinglesh wrote: »

That's a pity. I thought she did a decent job for her term. Any idea how the rest of it is looking?

FF 1-2, FG, Labour, FG, Green, Murray, SF and the other Independent who I've forgotten existed

If Cronin transfers cleably to Murray it could catapult her back in but I suspect there'll be a scattering across all Maynooth candidates and non transferable.

Actually she'll be eliminated on 1 if the figures are right as she can't catch Murray even with every vote in play

donspeekinglesh

L1011 wrote: »

FF 1-2, FF, Labour, FG, Green, Murray, SF and the other Independent who I've forgotten existed

If Cronin transfers cleably to Murray it could catapult her back in but I suspect there'll be a scattering across all Maynooth candidates and non transferable.

Actually she'll be eliminated on 1 if the figures are right as she can't catch Murray even with every vote in play

Tally sheet from Ó Cearúil

shanec1928

Blueshoe wrote: »

Anyword on the 3 money grabbers shown on prime time willing to accept bribes?

joe queenan 11% second after the first tally

Harry Palmr

Sinn Fein's collapse is hard to read for me, is it the fall out of no grizzled hard men at the top? Has it alienated the aging traditionalists while not getting in new votes who this time have gone to the Greens?

L1011

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Sinn Fein's collapse is hard to read for me, is it the fall out of no grizzled hard men at the top? Has it alienated the aging traditionalists while not getting in new votes who this time have gone to the Greens?

The bullying scandals will have had a lot to do with it, also nobody admitting that their polling figures have actually been quite (comparatively) bad ever since 2014.

The Maynooth candidate didn't get in on a hardman vote for one

Itssoeasy

Blueshoe wrote: »

Anyword on the 3 money grabbers shown on prime time willing to accept bribes?

Rte on their website are saying the three look like they'll get elected.

https://www.rte.ie/news/elections-2019/2019/0525/1051677-prime-time-councillors/

Blueshoe

shanec1928 wrote: »

joe queenan 11% second after the first tally

Christ almighty. Some people's vote should count less than others.

Sierra Oscar

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Sinn Fein's collapse is hard to read for me, is it the fall out of no grizzled hard men at the top? Has it alienated the aging traditionalists while not getting in new votes who this time have gone to the Greens?

Sinn Féin haven't really been getting much coverage of note under Mary Lou's leadership. They've lost their voice to some extent.

At local level they have been having a horrid time with bullying accusations and general organizational strife. A whole raft of their new first time candidates elected in 2014 have left the party since then. They haven't been able to replace those candidates.

Blueshoe

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Rte on their website are saying the three look like they'll get elected.

https://www.rte.ie/news/elections-2019/2019/0525/1051677-prime-time-councillors/

A sad day for democracy

Sierra Oscar

Also while it's positive to see the Green Party doing well, I would be cautious to read into it too much when it comes to trying to predict a General Election outcome.

First off the local and European elections are second order elections. There was pretty much no actual discussion regarding policies and their impact during these elections. That won't be the case during a General Election. A lot of people who voted Green now might not be as happy to do so when they realise the impact of some of their policies when it comes to their own wallets. If there is any sense of an economic downturn on the horizon it could change peoples attitudes entirely. You're also likely to see the main parties put a big focus on climate and sustainable development issues (including housing) during the General Election campaign.

Itssoeasy

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Sinn Féin haven't really been getting much coverage of note under Mary Lou's leadership. They've lost their voice to some extent.

At local level they have been having a horrid time with bullying accusations and general organizational strife. A whole raft of their new first time candidates elected in 2014 have left the party since then. They haven't been able to replace those candidates.

I think the prospect of Mary Lou becoming leader of SF was more optimistic than what the reality is.

Fan of Netflix

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Are you referring the Government's statutory gender quota, or does SF have a more rigorous version?

I'm referring to the Sinn Fein policy. Sinn Fein brought in a 50-50 split gender quota in a lot of areas where possible. It was another reason they lost several councillors and members. Was viewed as unfair on male candidates.

Fan of Netflix

donspeekinglesh wrote: »

Tally sheet from Ó Cearúil

Shocking result for Cronin. Shes one of the more active Shinners on twitter. Guess social media doesn't = votes.

Itssoeasy

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

I'm referring to the Sinn Fein policy. Sinn Fein brought in a 50-50 split gender quota in a lot of areas where possible. It was another reason they lost several councillors and members. Was viewed as unfair on male candidates.

I know of if happening in another party where during the selection convention where the directive from upon high was for one female and one male candidate and two male candidates got the top two highest votes and only one got put forward. I'm all for equality but it sounded very unfair.

c.p.w.g.w

Can I ask a stupid question.

Are the tallies the same as the count of first preferences? Or are the tallies just a sample count of each box? Reading different things and confused?

L1011

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Can I ask a stupid question.

Are the tallies the same as the count of first preferences? Or are the tallies just a sample count of each box? Reading different things and confused?

They're an unofficial count of first preferences done by watching the stack sorting

c.p.w.g.w

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I know of if happening in another party where during the selection convention where the directive from upon high was for one female and one male candidate and two male candidates got the top two highest votes and only one got put forward. I'm all for equality but it sounded very unfair.

It's not true equality...gender quotas are a backward ideology

devlinio

Howth - Malahide is my ward and it's such a joke. 7 seats with 9 candidates vying for them. So easy to get a seat.

L1011

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

Shocking result for Cronin. Shes one of the more active Shinners on twitter. Guess social media doesn't = votes.

If she could have kept her campaign manager *off* social media it might have helped. Abrasive to say the least

bren2001

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Can I ask a stupid question.

Are the tallies the same as the count of first preferences? Or are the tallies just a sample count of each box? Reading different things and confused?

They should equate to the first preference votes. You've a number of people standing over each box marking down each ballot. Take several hours for the boxes to be counted and a few more for them to be inputted in a spread sheet. Typically, all the parties work together except SF. They work by themselves.

Fan of Netflix

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I know of if happening in another party where during the selection convention where the directive from upon high was for one female and one male candidate and two male candidates got the top two highest votes and only one got put forward. I'm all for equality but it sounded very unfair.

It's unfair IMO. The good female candidates get through on their own merits. Sinn Fein ended up with lots of very poor female candidates. Also noticeable SF doesn't have as many younger candidates as other parties especially left wing parties.

Harry Palmr

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Also while it's positive to see the Green Party doing well, I would be cautious to read into it too much when it comes to trying to predict a General Election outcome.

First off the local and European elections are second order elections. There was pretty much no actual discussion regarding policies and their impact during these elections. That won't be the case during a General Election. A lot of people who voted Green now might not be as happy to do so when they realise the impact of some of their policies when it comes to their own wallets. If there is any sense of an economic downturn on the horizon it could change peoples attitudes entirely. You're also likely to see the main parties put a big focus on climate and sustainable development issues (including housing) during the General Election campaign.

The Greens would, pragmatically, be happy enough with that level of success - forcing FF/FG to implement genuine environmentally sustainable policies. The public would have nowhere to run to for mé fein/laissez faire policies. Obviously one of the two would break ranks in all likelihood

Fan of Netflix

L1011 wrote: »

If she could have kept her campaign manager *off* social media it might have helped. Abrasive to say the least

Is her manager her sister by any chance?

L1011

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

Is her manager her sister by any chance?

No. Don't want to name him in case it works like summoning Beetlejuice!

Aska

Anyword on young Lowry in tipp? Michaels son I assume, saw all the 'team Lowry' posters around the place down there

is_that_so

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Sinn Fein's collapse is hard to read for me, is it the fall out of no grizzled hard men at the top? Has it alienated the aging traditionalists while not getting in new votes who this time have gone to the Greens?

Tide has gone out on their brand of anti-everything. I'm sure they still retain a solid core vote but not the same anger to tap into 5 years on. Then there's all that internal stuff and people quitting.