"Non book readers" - Season 8 Episode 4 "The Last of the S" - Spoilers post 2 fo

nix

Dorne didnt bother me at all, I'd say the combined scenes in dorne probably added up to a total of 30mins..

I wasnt bothered at all, heck Oberyn was such a cool and interesting character, i was glad to see a smidgen of where he came from, the only problem i see with it looking back was the handful of characters that were introduced to werent developed enough, I would have liked to see more Dorne tbh

No, after watching it all back season 5 was ok..It was just a sort of a state of dissolution or something..A lot of **** happened/ changed..The rot was kind of half setting in season 6..season 7 just went to the dogs..
But yeah, season 5 was ok..

Dorne brought us your one's jebs in an episode aptly named The Gift. Worth it.

lawlolawl

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Dragonstone is right next to KL. It's in Blackwater Bay.




Not only does it make absolutely no sense for it to be empty, it is obviously a dangerous spot to come back to.

Is that map accurate anymore since they moved Kings Landing up a bit on the map in the latest intro?

SoapMcTavish

J Mysterio wrote: »

A few random thoughts.

I thought Missandei was going to grab Cersei and hop off the battlements with her, she actually had the opportunity and was about to die anyway. Her death was ultimately painfully straightforward and quite dull.

Yes !!!! Exactly what I was thinking .. was sure Missandei was going to take Cersei down ... otherwise the whole scene was going to be pointless. And boom - she just stands and takes it. Balls. Pointless scene ...

SoapMcTavish

SoapMcTavish wrote: »

Yes !!!! Exactly what I was thinking .. was sure Missandei was going to take Cersei down ... otherwise the whole scene was going to be pointless. And boom - she just stands and takes it. Balls. Pointless scene ...

Nah, it wasn't pointless.

We learnt that lovely Missendei from Naath, the most peaceful nation in the world, whose religion causes them to not engage in violence even to defend themselves, has had her arc capped off with her deciding that a city of a million people should burn because she got taken captive.

Fantastic.

NuMarvel

Deleted User wrote: »

Its not really that, you could accept she was like that easily, especially if they put in a scene where someone told her she has been distracted lately or something of the like.

But from her vantage point she would have seen the ships a mile off, they were barely covered from sea view by the rocks/cliffs

But for the writers to make the excuse she forgot about them especially given the timeline of what happened in the episode, as an excuse for really poorly thought out scene is insulting in many ways

I could maybe, possibly, perhaps, accept Dany being completely oblivious to the Fleet even when she's flying right into their path over open sea in broad day light.

I can't for the life of me figure out how everyone else forgot about them and missed them too. When we cut to Tyrion's after Dany retreats on Drogon, we can clearly see Euron's fleet off starboard. There is simply no way they could have been missed.

lawred2

SoapMcTavish wrote: »

Yes !!!! Exactly what I was thinking .. was sure Missandei was going to take Cersei down ... otherwise the whole scene was going to be pointless. And boom - she just stands and takes it. Balls. Pointless scene ...

That would have been an utterly crap end to Cersei

J. Marston

J. Marston wrote: »

I think people let Dorne influence their opinions a bit too much on season 5.

I thought it was a very good season, Dorne aside.

It's the only season I couldn't sit through for a second time for whatever reason

OneOfThem Stumbled

threeball wrote: »

This would have been a much better scenario. Cersei would have got her comeuppance for going back on her word and abandoning the living.

The night king would have obtained an even bigger army.

And the outcome would show that all the fighting over thrones was basically fruitless as death is coming for us all.

What we got instead was something that could have been written by a 10yr old who was explained the story up to now.

Oh I'd have paid good money to see the Golden Company and Zombie Glegane go up against the Night King.

It would have been a really good answer to Cersei's hubris of saying "good" when she heard that the dead had broken through the wall. How would Qyburn's machine fair against an undead dragon? Would Qyburn, as a necromancer of sorts, have any answer to the wights that are created out of the fallen defenders of King's Landing? There's so many interesting things that could happen. The absence of dragonglass and valyrian steel in King's Landing would presumably mean that Cersei's forces would lose, but it would be fun to see it happen!

flasher0030

Wow. I don't understand why people have to dissect every detail. Why not enjoy it for what it is - (mostly) edge of the seat entertainment. Complaining about timelines, cups, military tactics, a dog not getting enough attention etc. And yet, there you have a few dragons flying around, and thousands of blue eyed zombies, but that's ok. It's fictional fantasy. Anything can happen. Leave your 2reality" hormones at the door.
Season 7 was unreal. Building to the last 10 mins of episode 7. Best piece of TV I have seen in a while. Well actually, last 10 mins of champions league games during the week are up there too!!!!!!!!!

I watched the first 7 seasons from December to March. So maybe the fact that it's all happening together, like one big plot, makes it all easier to take in.
Maybe most of the begrudgers were following it as it was shown throughout the years. And the earlier episodes are kinda nostalgic to them now, and seem falsely superior.

Anyway, I can't wait for Sunday night/Monday morning. Alarm clock will be set for 2am.

Joshua J

flasher0030 wrote: »

Wow. I don't understand why people have to dissect every detail. Why not enjoy it for what it is - (mostly) edge of the seat entertainment. Complaining about timelines, cups, military tactics, a dog not getting enough attention etc. And yet, there you have a few dragons flying around, and thousands of blue eyed zombies, but that's ok. It's fictional fantasy. Anything can happen. Leave your 2reality" hormones at the door.
Season 7 was unreal. Building to the last 10 mins of episode 7. Best piece of TV I have seen in a while. Well actually, last 10 mins of champions league games during the week are up there too!!!!!!!!!

I watched the first 7 seasons from December to March. So maybe the fact that it's all happening together, like one big plot, makes it all easier to take in.
Maybe most of the begrudgers were following it as it was shown throughout the years. And the earlier episodes are kinda nostalgic to them now, and seem falsely superior.

Anyway, I can't wait for Sunday night/Monday morning. Alarm clock will be set for 2am.

No ones stopping you from enjoying it. Have at it. Other people, like myself, found it complete and utter garbage.

mr_cochise

Joshua J wrote:

No ones stopping you from enjoying it. Have at it. Other people, like myself, found it complete and utter garbage.

Stop watching it so!!!

TerrorFirmer

mr_cochise wrote: »

Stop watching it so!!!

In fairness, no-one's who sat through the entirety of seven seasons is going to suddenly stopp watching after a bad run in S08 with two episodes left in the whole franchise.

I sat through the entirety of Dexter S8, each episode actually worse than the last and the finale was truly a golden turd, worst finale I've personally seen.

But I had so much invested in the characters over the years I couldn't not watch it (and kept hoping it was going to improve, or just offer a decent finale).

Game of Thrones is the same in terms of investment. It's nowhere near as bad as Dexter was to be fair, but it is turning into a shadow of its former self.

Mostly in E03 and E04 though. Most people were OK with the first episode, and most thought the second was pretty decent in fact.

See ratings for this season. E04 is now the lowest rated in GOT's history, but the first three episodes have reasonable ratings (though a little lower than others).

It's honestly just because it's gotten so sloppy, rushed and careless compared to other seasons.

No-ones trying to claim it's not pretty good entertainment but it's not exactly unreasonable to expect more from a show known for its razor sharp dialogue and narrative.

threeball

flasher0030 wrote: »

Wow. I don't understand why people have to dissect every detail. Why not enjoy it for what it is - (mostly) edge of the seat entertainment. Complaining about timelines, cups, military tactics, a dog not getting enough attention etc. And yet, there you have a few dragons flying around, and thousands of blue eyed zombies, but that's ok. It's fictional fantasy. Anything can happen. Leave your 2reality" hormones at the door.
Season 7 was unreal. Building to the last 10 mins of episode 7. Best piece of TV I have seen in a while. Well actually, last 10 mins of champions league games during the week are up there too!!!!!!!!!

I watched the first 7 seasons from December to March. So maybe the fact that it's all happening together, like one big plot, makes it all easier to take in.
Maybe most of the begrudgers were following it as it was shown throughout the years. And the earlier episodes are kinda nostalgic to them now, and seem falsely superior.

Anyway, I can't wait for Sunday night/Monday morning. Alarm clock will be set for 2am.

Because it spent 5 or so seasons being different than the mindless marvel comic drivel that you describe. It was the exact opposite in fact with well developed characters, intelligent plot lines and acres of layers to the stories that only became apparent as seasons went by.

It's now mindless drivel trying to please the masses who love avengers, movies by the Rock and other quick fix rubbish that passes for entertainment these days. In other words it's now everything it originally endeavoured to avoid and rail against. Edge of your seat it certainly isn't

mr_cochise

mr_cochise wrote: »

Stop watching it so!!!

Tf.

You're asking people to stop watching something they've been invested in for nearly a decade, or for book readers, two decades. People are allowed to complain about their favourite thing going off the rails.

vetinari

As TerrorFirmer mentioned, it's the last 2 episodes that have left a sour taste.
I for the most part liked season 7.
I also liked the first 2 episodes of this season.

The battle of Winterfell was so dumb (tactics wise) and so bloated length wise for the first half that it really broke by suspension of disbelief.
I remember turning to my wife halfway through and saying this episode is pretty poor. It got better near the end of the episode.
The last episode was okay but again the scenes with the ballista and the meeting with Cersei were so dumb.
This show was known for having characters act in a realistic manner and great build up of storylines.
Now in 2 episodes, you have some absolutely ridiculous (not in a good way) setups. It's really really sloppy writing.

OptimusTractor

Petition to rename the GoT forum to Ballista

J. Marston

I'm guessing the showrunners are in a mad dash to get started on the Star Wars trilogy they signed up for, that's why everything is rushed.

Joshua J

Paddy Cow

^^^ He's still family though. Albeit not their bastard illegitimate half brother but their cousin with the most legitimate claim to the Iron Throne.

Something more apt would be along the lines of Jon telling them, Varys finding out and the punchline being "a problem shared is gossip" :pac:

lawlolawl

Joshua J wrote: »

This meme is inaccurate because he got Bran to tell them........ off camera.

MisterAnarchy

J. Marston wrote: »

I'm guessing the showrunners are in a mad dash to get started on the Star Wars trilogy they signed up for, that's why everything is rushed.

They announced that they would be working on a new show called Confederate in 2017.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2017/07/19/game-thrones-creators-benioff-weiss-plan-new-show-confederate/493660001/
I was wary when I heard the news and as I feared they have taken their eye off the ball big time.

J. Marston

https://twitter.com/wildtargaryen/status/1125884083127582721?

GreeBo

And yet, there you have a few dragons flying around, and thousands of blue eyed zombies, but that's ok. It's fictional fantasy. Anything can happen. Leave your 2reality" hormones at the door. .

I hate this attitude.
Sure it's fantasy... but it still has to make sense within it's own universe... within the narrative it has built over the previous 7 years.

LOTR is fantasy... yet they didn't use a transporter to beam themselves to Mordor or hop into a land rover.
By your argument they could have and we should all just go with it.

Yester

GreeBo wrote: »

I hate this attitude.
Sure it's fantasy... but it still has to make sense within it's own universe... within the narrative it has built over the previous 7 years.

LOTR is fantasy... yet they didn't use a transporter to beam themselves to Mordor or hop into a land rover.
By your argument they could have and we should all just go with it.

One does not simply beam into Mordor.

delly

Folks, I've made a decision.

/breaths heavily

I'm going to hold out and watch the last two episodes together. It means a week of keeping clear of a lot of sites, but think the payoff will be better if the next episode is another head melter, knowing I'll go straight into the last one will numb it's effect. Wish me luck, I shall pray to the spoiler gods.

GottaGetGatt

delly wrote: »

Folks, I've made a decision.

/breaths heavily

I'm going to hold out and watch the last two episodes together. It means a week of keeping clear of a lot of sites, but think the payoff will be better if the next episode is another head melter, knowing I'll go straight into the last one will numb it's effect. Wish me luck, I shall pray to the spoiler gods.

Your Strong, Godspeed.

TerrorFirmer

I'd love to have held out for block viewing, but I expected it would be impossible to avoid spoilers - which has actually turned out to be not the case at all...... mostly because there were essentially zero controversial or majorly impactful spoilers to share thus far.

NK dies, Jorah dies, Beric dies, even Missandei - none of these are remotely surprising really, but I think we all expected a far greater body count among the main cast, as well as far more radical plot twists, up to this point.

Expect that to change entirely with E05 though, so I'll most definitely be watching it Monday evening.

Arya being the one to slay the Night King is probably the only spoiler that would genuinely bother me if I hadn't yet seen S8 at all. The others, not really.

alchemist33

I might stop reading other people's opinions until its all over. While I share a lot of conerns over this season so far, the overwhelming negativity makes it harder and harder to enjoy the last 2 episodes.

threeball

alchemist33 wrote: »

I might stop reading other people's opinions until its all over. While I share a lot of conerns over this season so far, the overwhelming negativity makes it harder and harder to enjoy the last 2 episodes.

Should be the other way round. The negative reaction should reduce your expectations and therefore make it easier to enjoy. It can only go up from here.

Penn

Great twitter thread regarding how and why the show is different since they ran out of books and picked how much longer the show would run before bringing it to an end, which makes a hell of a lot of sense.

https://twitter.com/DSilvermint/status/1125856091261136896

Loafing Oaf

delly wrote: »

Folks, I've made a decision.

/breaths heavily

I'm going to hold out and watch the last two episodes together. It means a week of keeping clear of a lot of sites, but think the payoff will be better if the next episode is another head melter, knowing I'll go straight into the last one will numb it's effect. Wish me luck, I shall pray to the spoiler gods.

I wish you good fortune in your spoiler avoidance efforts to come.:pac:

RickBlaine

delly wrote: »

Folks, I've made a decision.

/breaths heavily

I'm going to hold out and watch the last two episodes together. It means a week of keeping clear of a lot of sites, but think the payoff will be better if the next episode is another head melter, knowing I'll go straight into the last one will numb it's effect. Wish me luck, I shall pray to the spoiler gods.

I really want to do this too. I don't think I'd have a problem avoid spoilers online because I have the will power to stay away from social media and Youtube for a week. The problem is work. There is usually a conversation about it on Tuesday in the office. All it would take is for someone to say something like "so what did you guys think of Drogon toasting Cercie last night?".

Roberto_gas

I expect some major twists and series to turn around quickly...bran and night king story is not over yet..I see something happening in that arc..

osarusan

Roberto_gas wrote: »

I expect some major twists and series to turn around quickly...bran and night king story is not over yet..I see something happening in that arc..

With Tyrian and Varys, and with Jaime riding back towards KL, and Arya and the Hound heading off somewhere, there is plenty of scope for twists, not to mention the conflict between Jon and Danaerys. But with only 2 episodes left, how much time can be devoted to them.

One I can think of is that Euron realises that the baby is not his and switches sides or just sails off.

Or else, it turns out Cersei is not pregnant at all, and it was all a ploy to ensure loyalty from Jaime and then Euron. It would also make it easier for Cersei to be killed if she is not pregnant.

It seems like Danaerys needs a boost of soldiers from somewhere. Where will they come from? Dorne? Daario Naharis?

Will Jaime fight for Danaerys and cause some of Lannister army to switch sides? Will we see a Braveheart-style scene in which troops confront each other only to reveal themselves as allies (I hope not)?

Have we seen the last of Brianne (a blubbering mess is not a fitting last appearance)?


Plenty of potential for intrigue, but so little time.

is_that_so

threeball wrote: »

Because it spent 5 or so seasons being different than the mindless marvel comic drivel that you describe. It was the exact opposite in fact with well developed characters, intelligent plot lines and acres of layers to the stories that only became apparent as seasons went by.

It's now mindless drivel trying to please the masses who love avengers, movies by the Rock and other quick fix rubbish that passes for entertainment these days. In other words it's now everything it originally endeavoured to avoid and rail against. Edge of your seat it certainly isn't

It was going to come to this - the equivalent of the big explosions, because of the trajectory they set it on. There's just not that much scope for layers when it's largely going to wrap up as a headbutting competition.

seligehgit

Roberto_gas wrote: »

I expect some major twists and series to turn around quickly...bran and night king story is not over yet..I see something happening in that arc..

Hope you're right.

Loafing Oaf

Roberto_gas wrote: »

bran and night king story is not over yet..I see something happening in that arc..

I think you're overestimating the imagination and ingenuity of the showrunners. They don't seem to have any handle on or much interest in the more 'mystical' aspects of GoT and seem happy to have 'resolved' that storyline in the most simplistic and uninteresting way that could be envisaged.

Lackey

delly wrote: »

Folks, I've made a decision.

/breaths heavily

I'm going to hold out and watch the last two episodes together. It means a week of keeping clear of a lot of sites, but think the payoff will be better if the next episode is another head melter, knowing I'll go straight into the last one will numb it's effect. Wish me luck, I shall pray to the spoiler gods.

Try the God of tits and wine
I hear he’s great lol

threeball

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

I think you're overestimating the imagination and ingenuity of the showrunners. They don't seem to have any handle on or much interest in the more 'mystical' aspects of GoT and seem happy to have 'resolved' that storyline in the most simplistic and uninteresting way that could be envisaged.

They seem like twits and have fallen out with RRM by all accounts. They got permission to use the books and were fine when it was spoon fed to them. As soon as they had to go it alone the truth of their talents was exposed and the lure of the almighty dollar to move to the next thing was a handy excuse to cut and run.

I wonder if Disney are regretting their decision to give them the new show seeing the hames they made of this one. They're not even on the same planet talent wise as the RRM's, David Chases and Vince Gilligans of this world. In fact I'd love to see Gilligan take it on from season 6. He has a wonderful way of layering his writing with little nods like the early GOT series had.

threeball

Lackey wrote: »

Try the God of tits and wine
I hear he’s great lol

My personal favourite anyway

Bonzo Delaney

osarusan wrote: »

With Tyrian and Varys, and with Jaime riding back towards KL, and Arya and the Hound heading off somewhere, there is plenty of scope for twists, not to mention the conflict between Jon and Danaerys. But with only 2 episodes left, how much time can be devoted to them.

One I can think of is that Euron realises that the baby is not his and switches sides or just sails off.

Or else, it turns out Cersei is not pregnant at all, and it was all a ploy to ensure loyalty from Jaime and then Euron. It would also make it easier for Cersei to be killed if she is not pregnant.

It seems like Danaerys needs a boost of soldiers from somewhere. Where will they come from? Dorne? Daario Naharis?

Will Jaime fight for Danaerys and cause some of Lannister army to switch sides? Will we see a Braveheart-style scene in which troops confront each other only to reveal themselves as allies (I hope not)?

Have we seen the last of Brianne (a blubbering mess is not a fitting last appearance)?


Plenty of potential for intrigue, but so little time.

I can't see Euron been accepted if he switches sides as he's always been for his own gain.

Whereas Jamie Tormund Tyrion and The Hound have always had a conscience about what is just and right Euron is more like Littlefinger with brawn instead of brains.
My guess for what happens over the next two episodes is Fuk knows at this stage but it's shaping up to be a Disney ending unfortunately.

is_that_so

I think Euron is too one-dimensional to do anything except come to a sticky end, probably cooked! He is another example of what the show has been sloppy about - supercharging minor baddies.

Paddy Cow

threeball wrote: »

They seem like twits and have fallen out with RRM by all accounts. They got permission to use the books and were fine when it was spoon fed to them. As soon as they had to go it alone the truth of their talents was exposed and the lure of the almighty dollar to move to the next thing was a handy excuse to cut and run.

I wonder if Disney are regretting their decision to give them the new show seeing the hames they made of this one. They're not even on the same planet talent wise as the RRM's, David Chases and Vince Gilligans of this world. In fact I'd love to see Gilligan take it on from season 6. He has a wonderful way of layering his writing with little nods like the early GOT series had.

That's not entirely true. Season 5 & 6 are off the books and no where near as dire as 7 & 8. Hardhome is my favourite episode of the entire series. I watched it again last night and it's just epic. It gives me chills every time. It was done completely differently in the books and was a long winded, drawn out boring affair.

Paddy Cow

flasher0030 wrote: »

Wow. I don't understand why people have to dissect every detail. Why not enjoy it for what it is - (mostly) edge of the seat entertainment. Complaining about timelines, cups, military tactics, a dog not getting enough attention etc. And yet, there you have a few dragons flying around, and thousands of blue eyed zombies, but that's ok. It's fictional fantasy. Anything can happen. Leave your 2reality" hormones at the door.
Season 7 was unreal. Building to the last 10 mins of episode 7. Best piece of TV I have seen in a while. Well actually, last 10 mins of champions league games during the week are up there too!!!!!!!!!

I watched the first 7 seasons from December to March. So maybe the fact that it's all happening together, like one big plot, makes it all easier to take in.
Maybe most of the begrudgers were following it as it was shown throughout the years. And the earlier episodes are kinda nostalgic to them now, and seem falsely superior.

Anyway, I can't wait for Sunday night/Monday morning. Alarm clock will be set for 2am.

The earlier episodes are superior and seasons 7 & 8 are sh!te. Go back and watch Hardhome and the Battle of the Bastards. Both are vastly superior to the Long Night and the battle scenes were only 15 mins long. Binge watching 7 seasons in four months means you don't properly digest the episodes. You are the only person I've seen claim that season 7 is just as good as season 1.

threeball

Paddy Cow wrote: »

That's not entirely true. Season 5 & 6 are off the books and no where near as dire as 7 & 8. Hardhome is my favourite episode of the entire series. I watched it again last night and it's just epic. It gives me chills every time. It was done completely differently in the books and was a long winded, drawn out boring affair.

Hardhome is ridiculous in its own right. The NK can take a dragon down with a spear yet he can't kill a few lads on a boat a few yards from shore. You could claim he didn't want to kill them but if thats the case he didnt let his army know as they did their utmost to insure they killed them.

They also seem to kill about 10000 wildlings outside the gates in the blink of an eye but spend half the episode killing the remaining 200 or so.

lawlolawl

is_that_so wrote: »

I think Euron is too one-dimensional to do anything except come to a sticky end, probably cooked! He is another example of what the show has been sloppy about - supercharging minor baddies.

The guy that plays Euron posted on social media that he would have preferred to play the character more like the version in the books but he was hired to do it a certain way which he thinks is rather one dimensional, so, "ah well!".

I don't think I've ever seen a show with so many of the actors openly ****ting on it while it is still on.

TerrorFirmer

Paddy Cow wrote: »

That's not entirely true. Season 5 & 6 are off the books and no where near as dire as 7 & 8. Hardhome is my favourite episode of the entire series. I watched it again last night and it's just epic. It gives me chills every time. It was done completely differently in the books and was a long winded, drawn out boring affair.

It would be less frustrating if the show immediately fell off a cliff after running out of material and we could cleanly blame the ineptitude of the writers....

But the truth is D&D did a pretty OK job with seasons 5 and 6. They were certainly not as solid as S1-4, especially in terms of dialogue - which is where the departure was most evident.

But they had their moments and were fundementally pretty sound seasons and most importantly still felt like GOT.

They wrote Battle of the Bastards and Winds of Winter, a stunning back-to-back ending to S6 so perfectly capable.

The writing in S7 and particular S8 is ridiculously sloppy and lazy even by their own standards, putting GRRM aside altogether.

I would say the last decent episode they penned was The Spoils of War in S7. Talking purely about the scripting/dialogue and not pure spectacle (eg Battle of Winterfell).

Paddy Cow

lawlolawl wrote: »

The guy that plays Euron posted on social media that he would have preferred to play the character more like the version in the books but he was hired to do it a certain way which he thinks is rather one dimensional, so, "ah well!".

I don't think I've ever seen a show with so many of the actors openly ****ting on it while it is still on.

Kit Karrington forgot himself and called the ending disappointing. Skip to 2.50 because the interview is really boring.