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Woman Loses Job for Holding Gender Critical Opinions.

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    #392
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users Posts: 4,588 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    Candamir wrote: »
    LLMMLL wrote: »
    Big manipulation. I said their right was not being violated. Not that their right was violated and I was OK with that. Are you capable of debating without manipulating my words?

    You might call it manipulating words, but the reality of your world order is that rights are infringed.

    And you are ok with that.

    No I believe their rights are not being infringed. And I'm ok with people's rights not being infringed.

    Just because you believe their rights are being infringed doesn't make it so.

    It's a cheap method to portray me as callous and anti-women. Pretty transparent.


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    #393
    p1akuw47h5r3it
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,001 ✭✭✭p1akuw47h5r3it


    LLMMLL wrote: »
    No I believe their rights are not being infringed. And I'm ok with people's rights not being infringed.

    Just because you believe their rights are being infringed doesn't make it so.

    It's a cheap method to portray me as callous and anti-women. Pretty transparent.
    No you are engaging in mental gymnastics.

    If I get arrested tomorrow and identify as female to the cops, and want to be put in a female prison, should I be put in one?


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    #394
    Candamir
    Registered Users Posts: 531 ✭✭✭Candamir


    LLMMLL wrote: »
    No I believe their rights are not being infringed. And I'm ok with people's rights not being infringed.

    Just because you believe their rights are being infringed doesn't make it so.

    It's a cheap method to portray me as callous and anti-women. Pretty transparent.

    So do you think cis men should be separate from cis women? And if that’s the case, why should male bodied trans women not be separate from cis women?

    Should trans men be housed with violent cis men? Do you think that’s safe for them?


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    #395
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users Posts: 4,588 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    Candamir wrote: »
    LLMMLL wrote: »
    No I believe their rights are not being infringed. And I'm ok with people's rights not being infringed.

    Just because you believe their rights are being infringed doesn't make it so.

    It's a cheap method to portray me as callous and anti-women. Pretty transparent.

    So do you think cis men should be separate from cis women? And if that’s the case, why should male bodied trans women not be separate from cis women?

    Male bodied trans women are women. Cis men are not.


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    #396
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users Posts: 4,588 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    Candamir wrote: »
    LLMMLL wrote: »
    No I believe their rights are not being infringed. And I'm ok with people's rights not being infringed.

    Just because you believe their rights are being infringed doesn't make it so.

    It's a cheap method to portray me as callous and anti-women. Pretty transparent.

    So do you think cis men should be separate from cis women? And if that’s the case, why should male bodied trans women not be separate from cis women?

    Should trans men be housed with violent cis men? Do you think that’s safe for them?

    I don't think anyone should be housed with violent cis men.


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    #397
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users Posts: 4,588 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    DanDan6592 wrote: »
    LLMMLL wrote: »
    No I believe their rights are not being infringed. And I'm ok with people's rights not being infringed.

    Just because you believe their rights are being infringed doesn't make it so.

    It's a cheap method to portray me as callous and anti-women. Pretty transparent.
    No you are engaging in mental gymnastics.

    If I get arrested tomorrow and identify as female to the cops, and want to be put in a female prison, should I be put in one?

    Is that something you would do?


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    #398
    Candamir
    Registered Users Posts: 531 ✭✭✭Candamir


    LLMMLL wrote: »
    Male bodied trans women are women. Cis men are not.

    You don’t see a problem with your ideology here in a prison situation?
    A self identifying non medically or surgically violent male bodied trans woman housed in the general female population?


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    #399
    [Deleted User]
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    Thaddeus Slow Silver wrote:
    No you are engaging in mental gymnastics.

    LLMMLL wrote:
    Male bodied trans women are women. Cis men are not.

    I think we can all stop now. Delusion or mental gymnastics, I think it's best to leave it.


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    #400
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 38,369 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    A man with a womb and a woman without one.
    That's not natural so it's not a real man or real woman.


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    #401
    Candamir
    Registered Users Posts: 531 ✭✭✭Candamir


    LLMMLL wrote: »
    I don't think anyone should be housed with violent cis men.

    Do you think transmen are safe housed in a general male prison population.

    FYI, a lot of prisoners are violent. That’s often how they end up in prison


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    #402
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users Posts: 4,588 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    Candamir wrote: »
    LLMMLL wrote: »
    Male bodied trans women are women. Cis men are not.

    You don’t see a problem with your ideology here in a prison situation?
    A self identifying non medically or surgically violent male bodied trans woman housed in the general female population?

    I don't think assumptions are the way to identify problems. Are female prisoners safe from violent lesbian inmates?

    If it becomes evident that female prisoners are particularly at risk from self Id trans women then one can claim it's an issue.


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    #403
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users Posts: 4,588 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Thaddeus Slow Silver wrote:
    No you are engaging in mental gymnastics.

    LLMMLL wrote:
    Male bodied trans women are women. Cis men are not.

    I think we can all stop now. Delusion or mental gymnastics, I think it's best to leave it.

    I wasn't aware you'd started.


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    #404
    Candamir
    Registered Users Posts: 531 ✭✭✭Candamir


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I think we can all stop now. Delusion or mental gymnastics, I think it's best to leave it.

    It’s actually alarming how someone who claims to be very pro women can so easily wave away their rights and protections when a ‘newer, shinier, more deserving cause’ comes along.


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    #405
    Candamir
    Registered Users Posts: 531 ✭✭✭Candamir


    LLMMLL wrote: »
    I don't think assumptions are the way to identify problems. Are female prisoners safe from violent lesbian inmates?

    If it becomes evident that female prisoners are particularly at risk from self Id trans women then one can claim it's an issue.

    Has happened already. And I find being proactive is much better than being reactive in such scenarios. Especially for the raped female prisoner.


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    #406
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users Posts: 4,588 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    Candamir wrote: »
    LLMMLL wrote: »
    I don't think anyone should be housed with violent cis men.

    Do you think transmen are safe housed in a general male prison population.

    FYI, a lot of prisoners are violent. That’s often how they end up in prison

    In the US no. I don't think gay men are safe and many straight men aren't safe either in these spaces.

    In Ireland? I've actually no idea.


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    #407
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users Posts: 4,588 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    Candamir wrote: »
    Deleted User wrote: »
    I think we can all stop now. Delusion or mental gymnastics, I think it's best to leave it.

    It’s actually alarming how someone who claims to be very pro women can so easily wave away their rights and protections when a ‘newer, shinier, more deserving cause’ comes along.

    One of these days you might be capable of debating without personal Jibes.


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    #408
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    LLMMLL wrote: »
    Male bodied trans women are women. Cis men are not.

    How are they women? Because they say so is the only reason. That's all we have to go on. And how do we distinguish from those who are saying it to be transferred to an easier prison or to gain access to women so they can victimise them? Because that has already happened several times now.

    And that's aside from the fact that most women's prisons just don't have the facilities to cater for violent prisoners. That's because most women in prison are there for non violent offences and are statistically many times less likely to pose a risk to their fellow inmates, yes, even if they are a lesbian which you seem to think is relevant for some reason


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    #409
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users Posts: 4,588 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    LLMMLL wrote: »
    Male bodied trans women are women. Cis men are not.

    How are they women? Because they say so is the only reason. That's all we have to go on. And how do we distinguish from those who are saying it to be transferred to an easier prison or to gain access to women so they can victimise them? Because that has already happened several times now.

    And that's aside from the fact that most women's prisons just don't have the facilities to cater for violent prisoners. That's because most women in prison are there for non violent offences and are statistically many times less likely to pose a risk to their fellow inmates, yes, even if they are a lesbian which you seem to think is relevant for some reason

    Hard to find anyone other than Karen White. I don't think it's the widespread issue you're making it out to be.


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    #410
    p1akuw47h5r3it
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    LLMMLL wrote: »
    Is that something you would do?

    Yes. As a women, more likely to get a lesser sentence and prison is that bit easier.

    And why do you answer with an question? Oh yes it's because you are a dishonest poster.

    Still no sourced definition of biological sex that has anything to do with the brain in it. Why?


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    #411
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users Posts: 4,588 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    DanDan6592 wrote: »
    LLMMLL wrote: »
    Is that something you would do?

    Yes. As a women, more likely to get a lesser sentence and prison is that bit easier.

    Ah come on there's no need to lie to make your point. You of course would not claim you are a woman. Just as nobody else in Ireland does. It would make a massive media splash.

    I guess you'd also marry your brother to take advantage of gay marriage tax breaks.....


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    #412
    p1akuw47h5r3it
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,001 ✭✭✭p1akuw47h5r3it


    LLMMLL wrote: »
    Ah come on there's no need to lie to make your point. You of course would not claim you are a woman. Just as nobody else in Ireland does. It would make a massive media splash.

    I guess you'd also marry your brother to take advantage of gay marriage tax breaks.....

    No I can get tax breaks from marrying a women.

    I would if I could. Prison terrifies me. Much rather be in with the women were the liklihood of me experiencing any violence is way way less, not least because of my physical advantage. So I'm not lying.

    Now answer the question, do you think this should be allowed?

    Why have you still not given a sourced efinition of biological sex that in anyway mentions the brain?


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    #413
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users Posts: 4,588 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    DanDan6592 wrote: »
    LLMMLL wrote: »
    Ah come on there's no need to lie to make your point. You of course would not claim you are a woman. Just as nobody else in Ireland does. It would make a massive media splash.

    I guess you'd also marry your brother to take advantage of gay marriage tax breaks.....

    No I can get tax breaks from marrying a women.

    I would if I could. Prison terrifies me. Much rather be in with the women were the liklihood of me experiencing any violence is way way less, not least because of my physical advantage. So I'm not lying.

    Why have you still not given a sourced efinition of biological sex that in anyway mentions the brain?

    Right so you would be the first person in Ireland to do so. Don't worry. We all believe you.


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    #414
    p1akuw47h5r3it
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,001 ✭✭✭p1akuw47h5r3it


    LLMMLL wrote: »
    Right so you would be the first person in Ireland to do so. Don't worry. We all believe you.

    Yes I would. Now answer the question, do you think me doing this is acceptable?


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    #415
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users Posts: 4,588 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    DanDan6592 wrote: »
    LLMMLL wrote: »
    Right so you would be the first person in Ireland to do so. Don't worry. We all believe you.

    Yes I would. Now answer the question, do you think me doing this is acceptable?

    Sure. The guy who is vehemently against trans women going to female prisons is gonna self declare as trans. Gotta love boards.


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    #416
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    LLMMLL wrote: »
    Hard to find anyone other than Karen White. I don't think it's the widespread issue you're making it out to be.

    There was another case in the UK but can't remember the name off the top of my head. in other countries too. But I didn't say it was a widespread issue? Although I think it will be in the future going by the ever increasing numbers of male inmates who are identifying as women (and as of last year over half of those were sex offenders). How many women being assaulted would be the cut off point for you?


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    #417
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    Thaddeus Slow Silver wrote:
    Yes I would. Now answer the question, do you think me doing this is acceptable?

    Getting a straight answer is like pulling teeth. He knows that if he does, it'll undermine his position. Don't waste your breath.


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    p1akuw47h5r3it
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,001 ✭✭✭p1akuw47h5r3it


    LLMMLL wrote: »
    Sure. The guy who is vehemently against trans women going to female prisons is gonna self declare as trans. Gotta love boards.

    I'm not against them at all. You've just made that up. If they've gone through with the transition ie no longer have a penis, had hormone therapy etc. then they should be in with the women.

    Not until then though.

    Nice to know you have no problem having a man locked up with (vulnerable) women 24 hours a day all the same... And there yiu were claiming to care about women's rights.

    BTW, I've asked again and again, have you got a sourced definition of biological sex having anything to do with the brain?

    If you refuse to answer again I'll take it that you do not, and we can both sleep soundly knowing that my definition, wss indeed, correct after all.


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    #419
    p1akuw47h5r3it
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Getting a straight answer is like pulling teeth. He knows that if he does, it'll undermine his position. Don't waste your breath.

    I did, in fairness, edit that in. I think they saw my response before that. But I have asked numerous times before that. They won't answer because such a definition doesn't exist.


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    #420
    LLMMLL
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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    LLMMLL wrote: »
    Hard to find anyone other than Karen White. I don't think it's the widespread issue you're making it out to be.

    There was another case in the UK but can't remember the name off the top of my head. in other countries too. But I didn't say it was a widespread issue? Although I think it will be in the future going by the ever increasing numbers of male inmates who are identifying as women (and as of last year over half of those were sex offenders). How many women being assaulted would be the cut off point for you?

    Good luck trying to get me to come up with an acceptable number of rapes ceadoin. Not the way I think. Hope it's not how you think either.


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    #421
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users Posts: 4,588 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    DanDan6592 wrote: »
    LLMMLL wrote: »
    Sure. The guy who is vehemently against trans women going to female prisons is gonna self declare as trans. Gotta love boards.

    I'm not against them at all. You've just made that up. If they've gone through with the transition ie no longer have a penis, had hormone therapy etc. then they should be in with the women.

    Not until then though.

    Nice to know you have no problem having a man locked up with (vulnerable) women 24 hours a day all the same... And there yiu were claiming to care about women's rights.

    BTW, I've asked again and again, have you got a sourced definition of biological sex having anything to do with the brain?

    If you refuse to answer again I'll take it that you do not, and we can both sleep soundly knowing that my definition, wss indeed, correct after all.

    Right so you're against non transitioning people declaring as trans but you'd be perfectly willing to do so yourself? What does that say about you?


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